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Reply #270 - Aug 27th, 2011 at 12:18pm
 
Will Boomers Ruin Stocks for the Rest of Us?


At its most fundamental level, the stock market is merely a measure of supply and demand. So as the biggest and wealthiest part of the U.S. population approaches a situation in which its members will start needing to liquidate their vast investment portfolios in order to cover living expenses, it only makes sense to wonder whether all that extra supply of shares will hurt stock prices for years to come.

A recent study tries to quantify exactly what impact baby boomers will have on the stock market. Although the results are indeed alarming, there's a silver lining for long-term investors -- one that should help keep you from making emotional decisions that could threaten the success of your investing plan over the long run.

Selling out
A report from the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco  tried to answer the question of what would happen with stocks as baby boomers begin to retire.
http://www.frbsf.org/publications/economics/letter/2011/el2011-26.html
To do so, it looked at the ratio of middle-aged workers in their 40s to older workers and young retirees in their 60s and compared it with the valuation of the stock market. Interestingly, the research found a strong connection between stock prices and this age ratio.


In particular, during the bull market of the 1980s and 1990s, boomers were in their peak earning and investing years, while a relatively small part of the population was approaching or entering retirement.
The report argues that those trends pushed earnings multiples for stocks up toward their peak around 30 in the late 1990s. Conversely, as boomers aged over the past decade, they gave way to a smaller cohort of middle-aged workers from the so-called baby bust, and as a result, earnings multiples have fallen.

The bad news is that this trend is likely to continue. In fact, the report suggests that P/E multiples could contract further, from their current levels in the mid-teens to as low as 8.4 by 2025.
Even assuming that inflation-adjusted earnings continue to grow at past rates -- an assumption that could prove heroic -- the research suggests a 13% real drop in stock prices, with stocks not returning to their 2010 levels on an inflation-adjusted basis until 2027.

The report does admit that other factors, including foreign investment and prices of competing investments like bonds, could affect these projections. But if you want to invest with demographic trends in mind, the key is to figure out which stocks boomers are most likely to want to hang onto -- and to make sure to get out of the ones that boomers will want to sell first.

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http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/08/25/will-boomers-ruin-stocks-for-the-rest-of-...
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The Truth is, the Ageing Baby Boomer effect is only one of a group of major Economic influencing factors that are in the process of changing the accepted/standard Economic paradigms.

These major factors include -
1) Demographics (Boomer Ageing & Future actual Population Declines)
2) Peak Energy (Fossil Fuels)
3) Peak Debt
4) Climate Change

Individually, these factors would create adverse Economic outcomes!
Combining, as they currently are, these factors will change the way of life, as we have known it!
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Reply #271 - Aug 28th, 2011 at 11:39am
 
Prospects For U.S. Stocks Grim


The latest thing whipping around the web is research that concludes domestic equity returns are going to stink for many years to come for what amounts to demographic reasons.

I first became aware of demographics' potential to move stocks a little over 20 years ago when I worked at Lehman Brothers. Back then it was put to us as a positive; wealth transference from Boomers' parents to the Boomers going into stocks and then at some point along the way it spun around to concern for what will happen when the Boomers take their money out when they presumably retire.

While I believe in demographic trends this type of look forward for US markets also needs to take in the fundamental picture too. The fundamentals are well worn ground so I'll just say there is a lack of visibility of what will help turn things around other than time, which is not much to build an investment thesis on.

This whole idea will be familiar to long-time readers in terms of prospects for US markets being relatively unattractive. I've probably underestimated the magnitude of the consequence of this but we have been heavy in foreign equities since before this site started.

Quite frankly I think this type of general outcome has been quite obvious for many years and I think it is still quite obvious looking forward. There will of course be big up years along the way but over some reasonable period of time, like maybe five years, the returns will smooth out to a lower average--this has been going on and I am saying I believe it will continue.

This belief has been a big reason for why I have sought out exposure to foreign and to themes for client portfolios. A long running idea here has been that "normal" returns were available in many countries during the previous decade and they will be available in this decade if the conclusions linked to above about the US turn out to be correct. To the extent there is comfort in crowds, much of the industry has been slow to adopt these views for US prospects and where to go to get "normal" returns.

Being wrong about this sort of thing is referred to as career risk but even if the 9% per year linear return is a thing of the past (it never really existed) you can spend the time and take the risk thus giving yourself (or your clients) a better chance at some desired average return. I do not mean to imply this is easy but it is not rocket science either.

Time spent, even if just focusing on what to avoid, will hopefully help some people.

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/290101-prospects-for-u-s-stocks-grim?source=emai...
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As I have previously said, all markets are Globally connected and in particular, they are still connected to what happens in the USA!

However, what is now ocurring is the result of decades of inappropriate actions or lack of actions, in areas such as -
1) Underfunding of Boomer retirement pensions (Public & Private).
2) A lack of understanding on how Health costs would escalate, as the Boomer generation went into their retirement years.
3) Under regulation, particularly in the financial sector
4) Under Taxing, particularly of Business & the top 10% of income earners.
5) Overspending, by governments in general, but particularly at a Federal level and particularly that spending aimed at bailing out Private Financial institutions who did not derserve to be bailed out, by Public money!
6) How the 10 years prior to the start of the "official" Boomer retirement period and the next 20-30 years after, would be affected by the changing patterns of Demand for all sorts of Products & Services. These patterns have already started to head lower and they must continue to head lower, for many years, as the massive Boomer generation head into a much more frugal period, particularly given what will be a likely & considerable drop in their asset values, of their two main assets, those being Real Estate & Equities!

Finally, whilst measures can still be taken, to prevent the most adverse of outcomes, the Truth is it is regrettably too late for any normal corrective measures.
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Reply #272 - Aug 28th, 2011 at 11:53am
 
Following is chart of projected PE ratio's, which The SanFran Fed has recently published.

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Reply #273 - Aug 28th, 2011 at 4:17pm
 
Social Security disability on verge of insolvency


WASHINGTON — Laid-off workers and aging baby boomers are flooding Social Security's disability program with benefit claims, pushing the financially strapped system toward the brink of insolvency.

Applications are up nearly 50 percent over a decade ago as people with disabilities lose their jobs and can't find new ones in an economy that has shed nearly 7 million jobs.  


The stampede for benefits is adding to a growing backlog of applicants -- many wait two years or more before their cases are resolved -- and worsening the financial problems of a program that's been running in the red for years.

New congressional estimates say the trust fund that supports Social Security disability will run out of money by 2017, leaving the program unable to pay full benefits, unless Congress acts. About two decades later, Social Security's much larger retirement fund is projected to run dry as well.

Much of the focus in Washington has been on fixing Social Security's retirement system. Proposals range from raising the retirement age to means-testing benefits for wealthy retirees.
But the disability system is in much worse shape and its problems defy easy solutions.

http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article/rr/9009/49216881/Social_Security_disability...
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The US Deficit In One Picture


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http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2011/08/us-deficit-in-one-picture.html
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These two stories go together, like two peas in a pod!

It is suggested that the disability program may "run out of money" by 2017 and that by 2030 that may also be the fate of Social Security's much larger retirement fund.

But, given the reliance of US government Debt, on Intra government support from trust funds such as the Social Security's retirement fund, the reliance of those trust funds of being paid by the US government and the distinct likelihood of Declines in the value of the US$, Declining Equity values, Declining Economic activity, Declining Tax Revenues & increasing Government Expenditures, I can foresee a high likelihood of a self-re-inforcing loop, as increasing Debt mountains collapse the US Economy, the US Social Security System and with that, so goes the Global Economic system!

And, that's without even including pressing issues relevant to the overall effects of Demographic change (Ageing & Peak Global Population), Peak Energy & Climate Change!


Btw, there really are some astounding correlations involved in the figures & events included in that chart.

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Reply #274 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 12:39pm
 
Non-Farm Payrolls Below 2001 Level


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The current number of non-farm payrolls is below those of 1999-2001. The population has grown from about 280 million in 1999 to approximately 312 million today. So, adjusted for population growth, employment is in much worse condition than the above graph indicates.

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The above graph shows that employment levels (as measured by non-farm payrolls) have fallen back to early 1987 levels.

The other factoid taken from the above graph is that population normalized employment has reached the low point of a recession that started at the turn of the century. There was a failed attempt at a recovery 2003-07. Then the recession resumed.

The title of this article could well have been "Non-farm Payrolls at Levels not Seen since Early 1987."

What this graph is specifying in hard data is an employment depression.

While the U.S. stock market can be supported in this massive depression by global earnings, if global economic activity slows down where will support for current earnings come from? And more earnings growth?

Europe is definitely slowing under the austerity demands stemming from the sovereign debt crisis. Asia is slowing under the attempts of central banks to stem inflation.

Where is the growth going to come from?

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/291481-non-farm-payrolls-below-2001-level?source...
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A few observations -
1) As shown in the first chart, IF US Employment had continued its long term trend, then Non-Farm Payroll numbers would now be around 150 Million.
Instead, those Employment figure is around 131 Million, some 19 Million under where it would have been, IF it had stayed on trend.

2) As shown in chart 2, the Employment numbers to the Total Population ratio clearly Peaked around 2001 and that ratio is now clearly on a downward trend, having already declined from around 47% to about 42%.

3) There are two separate & competing Demographic issues involved in these US figures and they should also be expected in Global trends.
a) First, with total Population levels still continuing to rise, in the US at around 1% PA, this means that at a 60 participation rate that an additional 150,000 jobs NEED to be added to the US Employment figures each month, just to tread water, just to be standing still. Anything less and the US Economy is in Decline. This is shown in chart 1.  
b) On the other hand, as from January 1st 2011, some 80 Million Americans started the "official" transition of US Boomers into retirement.
This means that based on the same 60% participation rate that some 220,000 Boomers are now DUE to retire (on average) each month, for the next 18 years.
In fact, the decline in the Employment to total Population ratio started around 2001 and that ratio will continue to decline, for the next 20 years, following the Demographic trends of the Boomer generation.

So, by current population increases, some 150,000 new jobs would normally be expected each month.
However, because of much higher retirement levels, due to the Boomers, there is possibly another 220,000 jobs being vacated each month by Boomers.

In an Economy functioning at capacity, this could see another 150,000 new jobs each month, to keep up with Population increases and another 220,000 jobs to fill each month, to keep up with Boomer retirements.
That's some 370,000 jobs each month, to keep the Economy rolling, unless productivity can magically increase?  

In short, available worker numbers would normally have been stretched to the limit, with the Unemployment ratio sinking to very low levels.

That scenario has actually happened in some countries, such as Australia, where the Unemployment rate fell below 5%. However, that ratio is now likely to start to increase, following the Global Economic downturn!

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Whilst Australia was relatively well placed in Debt levels, the US and much of Europe were not and as both areas started their Economic downturn in the early part of this new century, they are both now approaching catastrophic tipping points, which I envisage will become apparent to almost all, by the end of 2012!  

To exacerbate matters, Global Energy Supplies are now Peaking, with Oil being the intial problem NOW, but all other Fossil Fuels are due to follow within the next 20-40 years and finally, with issues relating to Climate change, it means that another Population explosion to assist Global Economics is not possible this time, as there will be insufficient Food, Water & Energy for another Baby Boom!

So, good luck, watch the Debt and watch the world change!
 
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Reply #275 - Sep 13th, 2011 at 8:11pm
 
This is terrible reading, but can the world go on to populate as before, when the worlds population grew from 1 billion to 6 billion in less than 150 years.
GDP is another dubious measure of wealth.
Take for an example, a complicated medical operation costs $100,000.00 and this goes into the GDP, but the patient dies soon after, where is the benefit to society? It is only a shift in wealth or assets from A-B.
In places like Korea or Hong Kong, the people are living virtually in rabbit warrens; I may have lived in poverty in my child years, but I had room to move and fresh air to breathe, although the food was rather scarce.
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Reply #276 - Sep 13th, 2011 at 9:51pm
 
hawil wrote on Sep 13th, 2011 at 8:11pm:
This is terrible reading, but can the world go on to populate as before, when the worlds population grew from 1 billion to 6 billion in less than 150 years.
GDP is another dubious measure of wealth.
Take for an example, a complicated medical operation costs $100,000.00 and this goes into the GDP, but the patient dies soon after, where is the benefit to society? It is only a shift in wealth or assets from A-B.
In places like Korea or Hong Kong, the people are living virtually in rabbit warrens; I may have lived in poverty in my child years, but I had room to move and fresh air to breathe, although the food was rather scarce.


The only possible answer is NO!

There is neither the Natural Resources, particularly Energy Resources, nor the capacity of Food production, nor the fresh  Water sources, to continue the current Global Population of 7 Billion, at least not for any extended period.

AND, there is certainly no way that the "Exponential Growth Fairy" can continue to weave the magic required to increase the current population, let alone seeing the entire process repeated and having another 7 Billion added, to raise the Global Population to 14 Billion, by the year 2300.

The good news, for the future of Humanity is that the Global Population is set to start declining over the balance of this century.

The bad news, is that process is likely to be fraught with difficulties and it will present enormous Economic problems!
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Reply #277 - Sep 14th, 2011 at 3:14pm
 
Are The U.S. And Europe Headed Down Japan's Road?


In the past two years a lot of analysts have been warning that the US and/or Europe are about to turn “Japanese”. By this I guess they mean that very high levels of debt are going to set the stage for one or two decades of economic stagnation and zero growth.

I am not sure I agree. I think these kinds of comparisons seriously miss the point about what went wrong in Japan in the 1980s. Except at a very superficial levels Japan’s imbalances before 1990 were very different from the imbalances from which Europe and the US suffer today, and the resolutions in each case are likely to be very different.

But we are nonetheless hearing the comparison more and more often.

Believers of the west-is-turning-into-Japan argument point to several similarities. In both cases, large debt burdens mean sluggish growth after a stock market crash. Meanwhile, the political response to the troubles is confused and does little to alleviate the pain. “It is blatantly obvious that those comparisons are valid,” says Jeffrey Gundlach, chief executive of US fund manager DoubleLine. “[We have] over-indebtedness and banks with bad assets that they are not writing down because otherwise they would be insolvent. Instead, you try to grind it out on a multi-year horizon.”

These characteristics, it turns out, are the same characteristics we have seen dozens of times in the past two centuries. In fact they are the fairly normal set of characteristics during any financial crisis, Japanese-style or not. The one exception in Milligan’s list may be “poor demographics”, but that of course depends on what you mean by “poor”. If all you mean is a rapidly aging and declining population, then this characteristic is something pretty new to the history of financial crises, although for that reason it is not clear that it is a vitally important characteristic, and anyway Japan’s demographics are in no way like those of the US, whose population is growing quite quickly and is barely aging (and even Europe is not aging nearly as quickly and is far more open than Japan – at least for now – to immigration).

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/293074-are-the-u-s-and-europe-headed-down-japan-...
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Whilst there are some similarities between the Japanese situation of the last 20 years, to what is now happening, there are also some differences.

Yes, there is a substantial Ageing Demographic in Japan, which started well before the rest of the world and that situation is now also being reflected in the 80 Million US Baby Boomers, with similar situations in most other countries around the world.

In itself, this Ageing Demographic issue is quite a large drag on the Economy of each country, as has already been demonstrated in Japan.

However, in these times of a Global Economy, Japan was at least supported by virtue that the rest of the Global Economy was still "bubbling" along just fine, at least initially.

That said, as this century began, the same Demographic issue start to creep into other Economies, as more & more Baby Boomers started to move toward their official retirement years.

By 2005 the Boomer Demographic effect was becoming apparent, as Housing fell, because Boomer Demand was reducing in the US.

But, with the Boomer Demographic being worldwide, Demand for many Products & Services is also falling, as the massive Demographic moves into a more stringent retirement mode!

Of course, that also means that the Supply of many Resources, Capital & Labour is also going to fall.

So far, we have only raised the Ageing Demographic factor, which would certainly be a predictor of poor Economic outcomes, as it is unique in history, because of the sheer scale of numbers involved in Boomer retirements over the next 20 years.

However, that is not that only massive, nor unique factor involved, in the current Global Economic dilemmas.

In addition, there is -
1) Peak Global Total Population, where the Population of many countries will actually cease to grow, as it has almost always done and never greater than the last 80 years.
Most countries will actually arrive at a Peak Carrying capacity over the next 20 years or so and those Population levels will then commence to decline, in individual countries, but also Globally.
The Economic effect simply of the reduced growth would be large, but the effects of an actual decline will be massive.
Can't we simply start another Baby Boomer?
The answer is No!
And the reasons are Peak Energy and Peak Resources in general, including Food & Water!
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Reply #278 - Sep 14th, 2011 at 3:21pm
 
Are The U.S. And Europe Headed Down Japan's Road? (Cont)


2) Energy is one of the two major factors that enabled the massive Global Population Growth, from 1 Billion in 1800 to 7 Billion today, the other is Innovation.
In the last 10 years or so, the growth in the Supply Energy resources has started to fall behind the Growth in Population driven Demand.
This has resulted in substantial increases in the Cost of Energy, which is particularly noticeable in Oil, but those increases are also spreading to other Energy sources, especially Fossil Fuels!

The Massive increases in Energy (Oil) costs to national & Global Economies has already added enormously to Cost levels & to the Debt to GDP ratio's of many countries and that contributed substantially to the GFC MK1 crash of 2008!

Whilst many are now contemplating a possible GFC MK2, I contend that we are still in the grip of GFC MK1, as it was only a massive increase in Public Debt that saw GDP stay above break even and if those increased Debts were subtracted, which they should be, then the actual/effective National & Global GDP levels would still be below zero!

3) Which now leads to the third factor, which is the Debt to GDP ratio!
In many nations, such as Greece, Spain, Italy the levels of Debt are now such that it is Publicly expected that some of the affected nations will Default on their National Debts.
This is now creating the likelihood of self re-enforcing tipping points & loops, much the same as Climate Change, which means that smallish problems such as Greece make other dominoes fall, meaning the problem/s & Debt levels become larger, thus roping in bigger Economies such as Spain, then Italy, the UK & finally the USA.

Unfortunately, what most people do, is they tend to look at issues in isolation and not at the total circumstances. Many people also tend towards a positive view of life, in which all problems will somehow be fixed, perhaps because that's usually the way it has been.

That said, these three factors are now combining to become unique in human history and unless there is some "Unique & until now unheard of innovation/technology, which enables us to Globally overcome Peak Energy & Climate Change (Food & Water) and can magically make Debt instantly disappear from the Global Economy, then that Global Economy has indeed Peaked and we have started to descend down a very slippery Economic aftermath.

So, good luck, watch the Debt and start getting actively involved!
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Reply #279 - Sep 18th, 2011 at 8:52am
 
Seniors' slice of population hits 23.3%

The Japan Times Online

Elderly people now make up a record 23.3 percent of the population, the internal affairs ministry said in an estimate Friday.

A record-high 29.8 million people were 65 or over
as of Thursday, up 240,000, or 0.2 percentage point, from the previous year, the data said.

The tally of seniors breaks down to about 12.73 million men, or 20.5 percent of the male population, and 17.07 million women, or 26.0 percent of the female population, the estimate said.

The estimate is based on data from the 2010 census.

The estimate for those 80 or above was 8.66 million, it said.

Pension benefits to be cut
The government is studying a proposal to cut public pension benefits based on deflation in past years and plans to carry out the change over a three-year period starting in fiscal 2012, sources said Thursday.

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So, there are now 23.3% of Japanese who are over 65 years and too old to work, as they are past the retirement age and there is approximately another 13% who are under 15 and too young to work.

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http://www.jillstanek.com/2009/02/japan-to-workers-go-forth-and-multiply/

That means, just over one in every three Japanese, is now excluded from the workforce, due to their age!

That is not all that different to their situation from 1950, where some 40.3% fitted that same age area.

However, the Japanese are in transition from the old style Population pyramid of large numbers in the younger (under 15 year olds) Demographic coming thru to working age and very few older pensioners, to what appears to be the complete reversal, by 2050!

So, by 2050 one in every two japanese will be excluded from the workforce, 4 in every 10 will be on an aged pension (compared to 1 in every 25 back in 1950) and those youngsters (under 15) coming thru into the workforce will have shrunk to less than 10% of the total population, compared to some 35% back in 1950.

The questions remain -
1) Who does the work?
2) How can the country afford to pay the pensions?
3) How does the country avoid bankruptcy?
4) What happens to Consumer Demand in Japan, as that older population segment move into a more frugal retirement and then start to die off?
5) As the implications are apparent, why were measures not taken earlier, to compensate?

And, what impact does that suggest for the rest of the world, as most other countries are set to follow a similar pattern to Japan, just delayed by around 20 years?
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Reply #280 - Oct 8th, 2011 at 12:03pm
 
Shrinking workforce may dampen expansion for decades


WASHINGTON —
This is not your mother’s recovery.


Women and baby boomers entering the American workforce after 1950 helped to supercharge expansions in 1975 and 1983 by filling an increasing number of jobs and purchasing more goods and services. Now as the share of women with jobs falls and older Americans age into retirement, the shrinking — or, at best, slowly growing — workforce will weaken economic activity for the next two decades.

The demographic changes may be the biggest and least-appreciated reason why the two-year recovery has slowed, because the rate of growth for labor and capital is “the most important determinant” of economic expansion,
said James Paulsen, chief investment strategist for Wells Capital Management in Minneapolis.


More retirees mean slower household formation, reduced consumer spending and downward pressure on equity prices as retirement cuts people’s purchasing power, according to John Lonski, chief economist at Moody’s Capital Markets Group in New York, and Gus Faucher, director of macroeconomics at Moody’s Analytics Inc. in West Chester, Pa.

“A weaker labor force does dampen the pace of the rebound,” along with “our expectation for what an expansionary trend is,” said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New York. “We should be lowering our sights on potential GDP compared to when our population was younger.”

Anemic gains in the number of new workers has effectively cut the long-term “speed limit for growth” to 2.25 percent, estimates Maki, a former senior economist at the Federal Reserve. That compares with the Fed’s estimated 2.5 percent to 2.8 percent rate for gross domestic product and average growth of 3.2 percent from 1980 to 2000.

Automakers General Motors, Ford and Toyota, motorcycle maker Harley-Davidson and natural- foods grocer Whole Foods Market may be hurt by the shift because most retirees will cut spending on big-ticket items and nonessentials, said C. Britt Beemer, chairman of America’s Research Group in Charleston, S.C., a consulting company that studies consumer behavior.

“Older people tend to have lower incomes, their consumption tends to be lower and in that sense, consumer-spending growth would be weaker as well,” said Moody’s Faucher. “There will be fewer people in prime car-buying years,” and “recreational goods and services are a young-adult thing.”

The aging population also may hold down stock values for the next two decades as boomers sell shares to finance retirement, according to a Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco research paper released Aug. 22.

“The mentality has shifted to preserving wealth rather than growing wealth, with less-risky portfolio allocations,” said Emily Sanders, president of Sanders Financial Management Inc. in Norcross, Ga., whose largest group of clients is aged 55-65. A typical 65-year-old may have 50 percent of his portfolio in stocks, which would drop to 30 percent at age 80, she said.

Faucher forecasts changing demographics will lead to a period when nominal GDP growth — which includes the impact of inflation — slows to 3.3 percent compared with 5.5 percent before the 18-month recession. That means the rise in corporate profits and equity prices would slow to about 3.3 percent from 5.5 percent as well, he said.

An estimated 72 million people, or 19.3 percent of the population, will be 65 and older by 2030, compared with 40 million, or 13 percent, in 2010, the Census Bureau estimates.

“We are at the threshold of retirement mountain: a huge, huge change in the numbers of people who are reaching the age where they are leaving the labor force,” said Neal Soss, chief economist with Credit Suisse Holdings USA in New York.

While losses from declines in the value of 401k and similar accounts may force some to delay retirement, these delays will be temporary, he said.

“Maybe one of the solutions here is that they work a year or two longer,” he said. “Do we really think we are going to have a lot of 80-year-olds in the workforce? It sounds good until you start thinking about the practicalities of it.”

The baby boom, the population bulge born after World War II between 1946 and 1964, added 9.4 million people in the 16-24 age group during the 1960s and 7.3 million in the 1970s. The percentage of women in the workforce almost doubled to 60.3 percent in 2000 from 33.6 percent in 1953, according to the Labor Department.

Boomers started turning 65 this year, and every day for the next 18 years, about 10,000 more will hit the age that historically has been associated with retirement, according to the Pew Research Center in Washington. Women’s participation in the labor force may decline slightly during the next 40 years to about 57 percent because fewer will have jobs as they grow older, the Bureau of Labor Statistics projects.

While GDP has grown at an average annual pace of 2.4 percent in the eight quarters since the December 2007 recession ended, that compares with an average of 6.3 percent after the July 1981 slump and 4.7 percent following the November 1973 contraction, both of which lasted 16 months.


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Reply #281 - Oct 8th, 2011 at 12:11pm
 
Shrinking workforce may dampen expansion for decades (Cont)


Gary Burtless, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington, agrees that slower population growth affects the rate of economic output. Still, the recent decline in the workforce “is vastly greater than can be explained” by demographics and mainly reflects the inability of unemployed people to find work,
he said.

Some industries may benefit from the demographic shift, Faucher said.

“We’d expect to see strong growth in health-care spending, and I think we’ll need to see strong growth in investment spending as companies will need to invest in technology to get greater productivity,” he said.

About 70 percent of Americans aged 50 to 64 are very or moderately worried about having enough money in retirement, an April Gallup poll showed. People need about 70 percent to 80 percent of their pre-retirement income to live comfortably after they quit working, according to the Social Security Administration.

Their concerns may be exacerbated as the slow recovery and aging workforce has prompted the government to forecast that Medicare, the government’s health-insurance program for the elderly and disabled, and the Social Security trust for the disabled and retirees will run out of money sooner than earlier projections.

The trustees of the two programs reported in May that Medicare won’t have sufficient funds to pay full benefits starting in 2024, five years earlier than last year’s estimate, and Social Security’s cash to pay full benefits runs short in 2036, a year sooner than the 2010 projection.

Maya Hahn, an Atlanta real-estate agent, turned 65 last week and said she plans to retire next year on less than half the “six-figure income” she earned during the early 2000s. She considers herself “semiretired” now because of the housing bust in the past few years.

“The happiest day of my life was the day I got my Medicare,” she said. “It was a huge weight lifted off me” because of rising health-care and drug expenses in retirement.

“You have to think about what you spend on anything,” she said. “You don’t go out to movies. You don’t go out to dinner. You don’t go on vacation. There are no fun bucks.”


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It is True, that this Economic slowdown & this recovery, are different to all such previous events!

It is also True, that the Demographic issues raised in this article are & will be a major influence over existing & future events!

It is also True, that Demographic issues have been the single, most influential Determinant that has shaped the Global Economy, for the last 80 years and which will continue to do so over the next century, together with Peak Energy & Climate Change!

These are the factors that are driving & will continue to drive Consumer Demand!

There is absolutely no way that Governments OR Central Banks can push up Consumer Demand, given these major factors!

All that has happened so far, is attempts to inflate Demand by various measures including many Financial sector bailouts. That has caused Economic Growth to be kept artificial higher (although still lower than usual/past averages), governments have vastly inflated their Debts and therefore the headline GDP Growth has been & is an illusion, it is not real and it can not be sustained against the major factors currently influencing the Global Economy!   

Any past, current &/or future attempts, by Governments or CB's to push on the peice of string commonly called Demand, will result in an abject failure!

The Truth is, there is NO QUICK FIX for what's happening!

It will certainly require higher Taxes, particularly from Business & the higher end Income earners!

It will also certainly require expenditure savings, partiularly in areas where efficiencies can be implemented & many Political Party Favourites will have to go!

But, in the long run, we will also have to accept that the old concepts of a growth Economy are dead and we must start down a new paths, both Economically & Politically!

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The population crash will kill our economy – good news for the planet


As the world's population reaches 7 billion this month, there is renewed soul-searching about overpopulation. But in much of the rich world, we have slammed on the demographic brakes so hard that it may be helping drive our current economic tailspin.

Exhibit A is Japan.
Economists say the developed world is entering now what Japan first experienced back in the 1990s, when it suffered a "lost decade" of economic stagnation from which it has never recovered.

Japan has the world's oldest people – average female life expectancy is 86 years – and it has among the world's lowest fertility rates. At just 1.2 children per woman, it has not much more than half what it needs to maintain population numbers. Meanwhile, the average age is well over 40, and one in four people are over 65.

This is an extraordinary turn-round. Japan used to be young. When it was the poster child of Asia's economies, it profited from a huge population of young adults, and not many old dependents. Result: the land of the rising sun has become the land of the setting sun.

And where Japan went, so goes the rest of the world. Europe's emerging economic basketcase is Silvio Berlusconi's Italy. Population changes have undoubtedly played a role in this. Thanks to a generation of ultra-low fertility, the last western European country with a prime minister born before the second world war now has the world's second oldest population.

The economic whirlwind of growth in other Asian tiger economies is blowing out as fertility falls and populations age. China is today young and vibrant, but the one-child policy is shutting down population growth. Within a decade, its numbers may be falling and China will have the largest ageing population the world has ever seen. Boom may soon turn to bust.

The Middle East is at an earlier stage on this demographic road. But with falling birth rates, many countries there have a bulge of young adults in their population pyramid. Governments have failed to harness this demographic potential for economic growth, but arguably those young adults drove Muslim radicalism, and now the Arab spring.

The people on the streets in Egypt, Tunisia and Syria demanding democratic reform – and manning the ragtag army in Libya – would a generation ago have been at home minding the children. Whether driving economic growth or demanding democracy, young adults are dynamic forces for change in any society. But as societies age, that dynamism dies.

And ageing is the new way of the world. You wouldn't guess it from the public debate so far about the seven billion landmark, but the average woman in the world today has half as many children as her mother or grandmother did 40 years ago: 2.5 children, compared to five. And the number keeps on going down. Dozens of countries are already below two, including Iran, Burma, Vietnam, China of course – and much of southern India, too.

In the long run, that's not enough to keep up numbers. Many expect world peak population by mid-century, and decline thereafter. Whether it happens then or later, mass global ageing is now a certainty.

I suspect that the global economic binge of the 20th century was a product of a booming, youthful population. It will die as we age. Japan's lost decade, and its likely repetition now across the western world, is perhaps the first sign. About time too. We all know that we cannot go on as we have. The planet cannot stand it. The party is over.

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Population Growth, it has been THE Economic driving force of history, but in particular, the last 200 years.

Around the year 1800, the Global Population hit 1 Billion,  it hit 2 Billion around 1930 and now, only some 80 years later, it is about to tip over at 7 Billion.

This massive & unprecedented Growth in Global Population has been enabled, largely by 3 major factors -
1) Cheap Energy - that being Fossil Fuels, predominantly Oil.
2) Innovation/Tecechnology - Humanity has undergone massive change, to keep up with our Population Growth.
3) Climate - A largely benign Global climate, over the last 200 years, has aided new Technology/Innovation & Cheap Energy, in ensuring that Food Production & the availability of fresh water, has kept up with the Global Population Growth.  

However Japan has led the way, showing what happens as Population Growth starts to decline, although they were partially supported by Global Growth, which was still continuing.

That Global Growth is now also slowing & is most likely to Peak around 2030, which is earlier than generally expected.

That said, it really can't happen quick enough, because the total Population Demand on all Products is now starting to reach tipping points, where Supply of various Products are starting plateau, before going into permanent decline.

Oil & other Fossil Fuels, are prime examples of this Peaking process and we have already witnessed huge Price swings & impacts on the Global Economy, arising from Peak Oil.  

It is a law of nature that everything has limits and we are now very close to finding out what some of those limits are and what that will mean to the Global & OZ Economy!
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How big was the world's population when you were born?


The world's population is due to hit 7bn this October. Use the box in the link below to find out the world's population on your birth date, and how different countries were growing at that time.

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Please note, the calculator is only able to handle birthdays after 1951.
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