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Reply #345 - Dec 9th, 2014 at 7:21am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Nov 14th, 2014 at 11:46am:
perceptions_now wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 10:00pm:
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=10y

Wti Oil Price currently under $77, at $76.68!

I would suggest, it is likely the Price will continue to Decline, although I don't see getting down to the GFC lows of 2009.

That said, perhaps something around the $60 mark, could be possible?


A substantial Decline overnight, WTi Oil now trading at $74.21!

Besides bringing down "somewhat" the price of Petrol, do you understand why Oil Prices are in Decline & the Global Economic/Security ramifications?



Wti Oil Price currently under $63, at $62.99!

http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=6m
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Reply #346 - Dec 13th, 2014 at 10:34am
 
Is This The End Of The 'Shale Oil Bubble?' Or The Beginning?


Perhaps the biggest conundrum of the recent oil price decline is that it arrived as a complete surprise.

Just as recently as six months ago, the probability of the January 2015 WTI contract dropping from $101.64 per barrel (June 23, 2014 closing price) to below $60 per barrel currently was viewed as essentially negligible, as implied by option prices.

While explanations abound - ranging from conspiracy theories to "permanent oil glut" scenarios - there is hardly a consensus in the market with regard to where the price of oil is going from here and what are the longer-term implications for stock valuations and prices.

Are we experiencing a paradigm shift in the global oil business (akin to what has occurred in North American natural gas) or is it just a short-lived aberration that will soon correct itself?

If the latter is true, when will investors feel a relief?

A simple answer to all the three questions may be as follows:
    The oil price paradigm is unlikely to have changed. However, the financial community may have underestimated Saudi Arabia's preparedness to take decisive steps to protect the value of its most important asset. The move not to cut production when it seemed warranted for price stability may in fact be a proactive price management policy by Saudi Arabia aimed at curtailing multi-year capacity growth that the Kingdom possibly saw as a dangerous threat to long-term oil prices.
    If such interpretation is accurate, oil price may have further downside from here and it may take at least several months for the price to recover.
    However, the ultimate outcome of this "capacity management" maneuver should be "higher for longer" oil prices and continued growth for U.S. shale oil production, possibly at the expense of mega-projects.

Is It The End Of The "Shale Stocks Bubble?" Or The Beginning?
A "hard landing" oil price scenario could mean more pain for stock investors in the short term - let's admit it, stock performance has mirrored oil price performance. I would argue, however, that a "hard landing" would help to create a foundation for a highly probable oil price recovery and strong upcycle.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2751165-is-this-the-end-of-the-shale-oil-bubble-...
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Ho! Ho! Ho!

It must be time, for a good Christmas laugh?

That said, I will simply say, this current scenario is certainly NO surprise, it was predictable & it is a "paradigm shift"!

Declining Demand, due to Global Demographic issues, plus massive existing Debt levels, will ensure that Declining Commodity Prices remain much lower, for much longer than expected and one of the consequences will see many of the "newer" Energy sources (such as shale) start to collapse and there will be no quick bounce back!


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Reply #347 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 10:05pm
 
Expect Lower Oil Prices For Much Longer: It's All About Demographics!


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Expecting a lasting rebound in oil demand? Think again.
Demographics of aging may help explain softening global oil demand.
Governments fighting 'deflation' may create more harm than good.

There may be more to the oil price war than meets the eye. Analysts who have studied the retail food industry understand the dynamics of price wars - when there's more supply than demand in a community retailers will reduce profit margins by competing on price in order to hold on to market share. Many currently believe this is what is driving down the price of oil, as OPEC refuses to reduce production hoping that non-OPEC (shale oil in the U.S. market) production will drop as prices fall below their breakeven levels.

Although global economic growth has not been stellar, there's no question that the world's largest consumer of oil, the United States, has been gathering strength for some time now. One might expect that there would be plenty of demand to absorb the growing domestic oil production and imports. However beginning in 2012 annual household expenditures began to rollover.
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Is it possible that consumer behavior is changing in the U.S. and other more developed countries? After all, the wealthiest and largest consumer markets in the world (U.S., Japan, Germany) also have populations that are aging rapidly. If an older population tends to consume less fuel, perhaps the Energy Information Administration's projections of rising demand later in 2015 and beyond might prove ambitious. We may be at the cusp of an extended period of lower energy demand and prices.

In 1930 the percentage of Americans over the age of 65 was 5.4%. As you can see from the chart (U.S. Census Bureau) that percent grew to 13.0% in 2010 and based my own back-of-the-envelope estimate for 2014 (using Census Bureau numbers) is already 14.2% just a few years later.
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Assuming we consumers do use less fuel as we get older, the future of oil prices might turn out to be surprising.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2759845-expect-lower-oil-prices-for-much-longer-...
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Well, a longer & lower future of oil prices might be surprising to some, But not for me!
As I have said previously, THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT!




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Re: The Peak Energy Debate
Reply #348 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 11:35am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 10:00pm:
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx?timeframe=10y

Wti Oil Price currently under $77, at $76.68!

I would suggest, it is likely the Price will continue to Decline, although I don't see getting down to the GFC lows of 2009.

That said, perhaps something around the $60 mark, could be possible?


Well, we're not yet at GFC levels, which went down to around $42, But we certainly have gone thru the $60 level!

In fact, trading this morning went under $53, down to a morning low of $52.95, before rising again to trade around $53.60-$53.70.

Trading overnight had been considerably higher and at one point hit $55.59. 
http://www.investing.com/commodities/crude-oil

A point worth considering is that IF the US$index had remained at its average level of the last 5 years, which was around 80, instead of rising to its current 90, then the current price for a barrel would be $47.70!
http://www.barchart.com/interactive_charts/stocks/$DXY

Now, there are a number of possible reasons, for the current Decline in Oil Pricing and for the increase in the value of the US$index, But I would suggest Demographics & Declining Demand are the likely major reasons and if that is correct, then the lower Oil Price is likely to be here for quite a bit longer than many expect AND the ramifications much greater, than most expect.

Those ramifications are far greater on the Global Economic downside, than most expect and the "somewhat" cheaper petrol will pale into insignificance, in comparison! 

Finally, I think it is likely, there is still "some downside" on the Oil Pricing!
 
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Reply #349 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 8:14pm
 
US Oil Rigs Are Shutting Down Like Crazy


The number of US oil rigs in operation keeps tumbling.

The latest Baker Hughes rig count data showed that the total number of US rigs in operation — which includes both oil and gas rigs — fell by 35 last week, to 1,840 from 1,875.

For the week ending December 12, the number of oil rigs in use fell by 27, which at that time was the single biggest weekly decline in two years. The following week, the number of rigs in use fell by 18.

The drop in oil rigs on Monday also comes alongside two discouraging pieces of news for the oil industry. The price of West Texas Intermediate oil is crashing again, touching $53 a barrel for the first time since May 2009 and declining more than 3% on the day.

Additionally, manufacturing data from the Dallas Fed showed that business leaders in Texas are growing concerned about the drop in the price of oil. As one Texas business executive said, the drop in crude oil prices was, "going to make things ugly ... quickly."

And according to Monday's report, Texas saw 16 rigs shut down last week.

In Canada, the number of rigs in use also continues to crater, which rigs in use falling by a staggering 135 last week to 256, which is below the same point a year ago.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/number-us-oil-rigs-operation-184616613.html
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Reply #350 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 3:09pm
 
Shale Oil Boom Uncertain In Wake Of Falling Oil Prices


No state in the U.S. has benefited more from the shale oil boom than North Dakota. Just as quickly as the transformation came, it could disappear with low oil prices.

The question the state faces now, when the price of oil has fallen 50% in just a few months, is what will happen to the industry in the future. Has the tremendous growth in production lowered prices too far for it to be profitable?

To answer those questions, producers need to know whether they will be profitable and whether they will be able to secure the financing to drill new wells. Both carry a high level of uncertainty.

Analysts have put together a wide range of estimates of "breakeven" points, the price below which producing oil is no longer profitable. For the Bakken range, the consensus is between $60 and $65, although one headline number cannot capture the complexity of assessing project viability.

With oil prices sitting near those prices now, companies are becoming wary about drilling new wells. This poses two problems.

First, consistent production in the Bakken Field requires consistently drilling new wells. Continental Resources, the largest producer in North Dakota, recently lowered its forecast of new Bakken wells in 2015 by 14%. All wells decrease in production over time, but fracking wells decrease much faster. The wealth from the region could quickly dry up without reinvestment.

Complicating the situation is OPEC, which in late November decided not to cut production.

If oil prices remain near or below the breakeven point, the impact on the North Dakota economy could be catastrophic.
Worse yet would be the impact emanating from the oil companies operating in North Dakota. These companies are heavily indebted, and ending operations would begin a wave of defaults and losses in corporate bonds.


Already the corporate bond market has seen a major retreat based on worry over this scenario. Interest rates on high-yield energy bonds rose over 500 basis points in the last six months and credit spreads, a good indicator of the risk of default, rose 33 basis points in early December. That magnitude of spread volatility has usually been reserved for Greek government debt.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2798525-shale-oil-boom-uncertain-in-wake-of-fall...
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Reply #351 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 4:21pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 7th, 2015 at 3:09pm:
Shale Oil Boom Uncertain In Wake Of Falling Oil Prices


No state in the U.S. has benefited more from the shale oil boom than North Dakota. Just as quickly as the transformation came, it could disappear with low oil prices.

The question the state faces now, when the price of oil has fallen 50% in just a few months, is what will happen to the industry in the future. Has the tremendous growth in production lowered prices too far for it to be profitable?

To answer those questions, producers need to know whether they will be profitable and whether they will be able to secure the financing to drill new wells. Both carry a high level of uncertainty.

Analysts have put together a wide range of estimates of "breakeven" points, the price below which producing oil is no longer profitable. For the Bakken range, the consensus is between $60 and $65, although one headline number cannot capture the complexity of assessing project viability.

With oil prices sitting near those prices now, companies are becoming wary about drilling new wells. This poses two problems.

First, consistent production in the Bakken Field requires consistently drilling new wells. Continental Resources, the largest producer in North Dakota, recently lowered its forecast of new Bakken wells in 2015 by 14%. All wells decrease in production over time, but fracking wells decrease much faster. The wealth from the region could quickly dry up without reinvestment.

Complicating the situation is OPEC, which in late November decided not to cut production.

If oil prices remain near or below the breakeven point, the impact on the North Dakota economy could be catastrophic.
Worse yet would be the impact emanating from the oil companies operating in North Dakota. These companies are heavily indebted, and ending operations would begin a wave of defaults and losses in corporate bonds.


Already the corporate bond market has seen a major retreat based on worry over this scenario. Interest rates on high-yield energy bonds rose over 500 basis points in the last six months and credit spreads, a good indicator of the risk of default, rose 33 basis points in early December. That magnitude of spread volatility has usually been reserved for Greek government debt.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2798525-shale-oil-boom-uncertain-in-wake-of-fall...
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Oh & btw, at it's current Price of $47.25, IF the US$index, which has risen from 80 to nearly 92, was imposed between current pricing, then the equivalent Oil Price would now be around $41.
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Reply #352 - Feb 5th, 2015 at 9:57pm
 
Oil Production Vital Statistics - February 2015


The main oil production changes from November to December are:

1) World total liquids up 150,000 bpd
2) OPEC up 80,000 bpd
3) N America up 80,000 bpd
4) Russia and FSU up 180,000 bpd
5) Europe down 70,000 bpd (compared with December 2013)
6) Asia down 60,000 bpd

The main dynamic statistic has been the plunge in US oil rig count down to 1223 rigs on January 30th from a recent high of 1609 rigs on October 10th 2014.

I anticipate that the price rout is not yet over and it will require significant falls in production to take root before a real price recovery gets underway.

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Daily Brent and WTI prices from the EIA, updated to 26 January 2015. The plunge continues at a similar speed to the 2008 crash. The 2008 oil price crash began in early July. It was not until 16th September, about 10 weeks later, that the markets crashed. The recent highs in the oil price were in mid July but it was not until WTI broke through $80 at the end of October that the industry became alert to the impending price crisis.

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Oil and gas rig count for the USA, data from Baker Hughes up to 30 January 2015. The recent top in operating oil rigs was 1609 rigs on 10 October 2014. On January 30th the count was down 386 to 1223 units. The oil rig count is down 259 for the month of January. News of the plummeting US rig count led to a strong rally in oil price. However, the drilling slow down has yet to show up significantly in US oil production statistics.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2880876-oil-production-vital-statistics-february...
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It's all about Demand, Supply & Pricing!

Demand is slowing & will slow further, quite a bit slower, in fact.

Supply has been up, but mainly due to higher Priced Production coming out of the USA & Canada and that higher priced Product is going to be a difficult sell, for some time, due to slowing Demand.

So, it would seem that lower Pricing is set to stay for a while and arising from that I would suggest that those higher Price Production areas, such as Canada & the USA, are likely to become permanently non starters, as Bankers & Governments will get severely burned in the current fiasco, they will have long memories and they will not rush in again, at least not for quite some time!   
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Reply #353 - Feb 9th, 2015 at 1:43pm
 
Oil Rig Count Plunges 29% From Peak, Halfway To Bottom?


In the US, oil companies have been laying off workers and cutting capital expenditures at a feverish pace. With revenues dropping as a function of the price of oil that has fallen by over half since June, preserving cash is suddenly a priority. Wall Street, after years of handing out money no questions asked, has shut off the spigot for junk-rated drillers that need new money the most.

So it's crunch time.


The number of rigs actively drilling for oil in the US, reported by Baker Hughes every Friday, is a preliminary gauge of these changes. And during the last reporting week, that rig count plunged by 83 to 1,140 rigs, after having plunged by an all-time record of 93 in the prior week. The rig count is now down 469 rigs, or 29%, from the high of 1,609 in October. And it's down 359 rigs over the six reporting weeks so far this year.

The chart below (oil rigs only, not including rigs drilling for natural gas) depicts the phenomenal fracking-for-oil boom, and what is turning out to be the worst two-month cliff-dive ever (circled in red).
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During the financial crisis, the oil rig count fell 60% from peak to trough. If this oil bust plays out the same way on a percentage basis, the count would drop to 642 rigs! The bloodletting in the exploration and production sector would be enormous.

But production of oil from existing and recently completed wells continues to set records, and wells to be completed in the near future will add to it. Demand in the US has been slack. And the levels of crude oil in storage have soared to a record. Which will pressure prices further.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2896226-oil-rig-count-plunges-29-percent-from-pe...
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Fracking requires "continual renewal" of wells, to prevent Production from going into Decline, so it will be interesting so see how far this Rig Decline goes & how long it stays down there.

It is also interesting to see that Demand in the US has been slack and that the levels of crude oil in storage have soared to a record, notwithstanding that Prices have Declined greatly? That would seem to suggest that the US Economy is not as buoyant, as "some" may have been trying to convey!

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Reply #354 - Mar 3rd, 2015 at 4:39am
 
Oil seems to have bottomed in recent weeks. Any thoughts on what we can expect in the near future?
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Reply #355 - Mar 3rd, 2015 at 10:19pm
 
RandomWalk wrote on Mar 3rd, 2015 at 4:39am:
Oil seems to have bottomed in recent weeks. Any thoughts on what we can expect in the near future?


Well, that could depend a bit, on what you think "near future" means?

Let me put it this way, it is MORE likely that there will be "some" upward pressure on pricing, as the USA Production goes into Decline, over the short term (this year).

That said, at "some time", in the not too distant future, possibly towards the end of this year, "the hair that finally breaks the camels back (the camels back, being the Global Economy) may finally arrive & when that happens, DEMAND WILL GO INTO STEEP DECLINE, AS WILL OIL PRICING AGAIN!

US Production will then hit the skids BIG TIME, AS WILL PRODUCTION GLOBALLY & Pricing will eventually stabilize, but probably not before Oil hits around $20-$30 per barrel, it could then retrace to around $40-$60 a barrel, but on a lot less Production.

However, in the longer term, say 10-20 years, Production will collapse more than Demand will collapse, so Pricing is likely to eventually head North again.   
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Reply #356 - May 6th, 2015 at 4:52pm
 
In The Wake Of Recent Months, Here's What To Expect From Oil


Yemen: A Country at War
When oil prices were mainly determined by the ongoing oversupply, it was fairly easy to say that they were going to go down and that the bottom was only going to deepen. But at the moment, a few extra factors have come in to play. One of them is Yemen.
The spike from $56 to $66 was also supported by shorters who panicked and covered their position upon hearing the news, as well as the fact that speculators are focusing on the numbers of active rigs that dropped again, according to data from Baker Hughes (more on this later).

46% of Tight Oil Plays Have Closed Since 2014
Following the latest reports, the rig count for shale gas plays has decreased by only half as much as for the tight oil plays. While this hasn't been good for gas prices, oil prices were massively supported by this news during Q1 2015.
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Short-Term and Long-Term Thinking
So let's recap for a moment here and give the reader some practical "advice." For oil investors who think short term, occasionally taking profits on your long position might not be a bad idea, since there's a rather high chance that prices might come down again -- which gives you the possibility to re-enter at a lower price. Only a serious crisis/conflict in the Middle East or less supply from other countries could push oil prices higher for a longer period of time.

For oil investors who are thinking long term and don't care about the short term, you might want to use the dips of the cycle just to add to your positions. In the long term (10 years from now), oil will still be the raw material that we use to produce 90% of the products we use on a daily basis. There will be demand for decades to come, and its natural inventories will continue to decrease, which should drive the price of a barrel higher -- in normal circumstances.

I'm sure we all know that studies have actually shown that fracking is very bad for the environment and that the U.S. is polluting and ruining the ground (and thus their drinking water) with its fracking practices. How long can the government and the companies promoting fracking justify this specific method of energy extraction? When fracking, you're not only polluting the air, you're also polluting the ground and your water supplies. This could have serious negative long-term effects.

So if we really think about it, long-term fracking can not be sustained by the U.S. or any other country.

OPEC
OPEC is clinically dead, and it is questionable whether the oil giants of yesteryear will soon rise again.
Saudi Arabia has always been fair and has always limited its production to what was agreed, but the smaller producing countries have often broken the rules and produced more than what was agreed upon. This made the Arabs lose market share time and time again, as they always decided to produce less in order to keep oil prices high.

So this time, they were quite fed up with this little game and now they have decided to keep their production at full speed in order to maintain their market share. This created an explosive cocktail of oversupply and falling prices, since other oil producing countries (such as Russia, Brazil and Venezuela) are experiencing budgetary difficulties and tried to remedy this by producing even more oil.

Iraq Is Back
As if all of the above wasn't enough for oil investors to become depressed, Iraq's growing production (due to fewer sanctions) will continue to feed the oil glut. At full capacity, Iraq is able to produce 3.6 million barrels per day. A few days ago, Iraq reported that oil exports rose to a record 3.08 million bpd from 2.98 million bpd in March. This figure is only expected to grow.

Conclusion

There is still a gigantic glut in oil. Iraq's oil export is rising to record highs, OPEC supply in April rose to its highest in more than two years, and despite a sharp drop in U.S. shale drilling, storage tanks remain at record highs.

Speculators have been driving oil prices up way too fast and way too soon. I fear that this will only cause rigs to restart and make the glut even bigger.

    What is driving prices these days is less physical markets, which remain very weak, but more expectations of future tightening. If markets don't tighten as quickly as people are expecting, the sell-off can be large. (Source)

In the short term, I really feel as if it might be wise to take some of your profits, as I can't see oil going much higher considering the massive glut that will continue to be present in future months.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3135146-in-the-wake-of-recent-months-heres-what-...
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