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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6406 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: Israel holds over 370 Palestinian children captive Reply #45 - Jun 27^th, 2010 at 8:24pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 3:22pm: In Australia we all live together as one happy family. Why can't they? Specially in Cronulla?????????
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Reply #46 - Jun 27^th, 2010 at 9:57pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 7:55pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 4:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 2:30pm:

Strange how the Jews bombard us all the time about the
horrors inflicted by the Nazis & then do similar things
to other people.
They then expect us to say that what was done to them was wrong
but what they do to others is right.

I can't get my head around that sort of hypocrisy.

And if there was ANY sort of similarity between the 2 cases.....you 'might' have a point bobby...

But since I don't recall that the Warsaw Ghetto had it's own elected Government, own police and military or the ability to launch rockets and missiles into Germany....and theinmates of the 'Death Camps didn't have AK-47's, plastic explosives and suicide bombers AND since the 'Final Solution' wouldn't have been called off by concept of a simple cessation of hostilities.....

I really can't see a parallel.......

What about the embargo on the Warsaw ghetto?

Did the 'embargo on the Warsaw Ghetto mainly target the materials for tunnels, fortifcations and explosives???

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Reply #47 - Jun 27^th, 2010 at 10:01pm

The Warsaw embargo restricted ALL foods to a level below subsistence...

The Gaza Embargo restricts building materials, which can be used to build fortifactions, smuggling tunnels etc....and some fertilizers, which can be used to make bombs..

However there is more than enough basic foods sent in to provide a reasonable quality of life and health...

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Reply #48 - Jun 27^th, 2010 at 11:30pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 10:01pm:

The Warsaw embargo restricted ALL foods to a level below subsistence...

The Gaza Embargo restricts building materials, which can be used to build fortifactions, smuggling tunnels etc....and some fertilizers, which can be used to make bombs..

However there is more than enough basic foods sent in to provide a reasonable quality of life and health...

What about the water?
It is not potable.

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Reply #49 - Jun 28^th, 2010 at 8:21am

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However there is more than enough basic foods sent in to provide a reasonable quality of life and health...

You don't know what you're talking about.

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The government boasted that since the beginning of this current year, it magnanimously allowed 24,302 tons of fruit, 14,879 tons of flour and 600 tons of meat into the Gaza strip (all tons metric). Divided by 150 days and by 1.5 million people, that works out to 108 grams (4 oz) of fruit, 66 grams (2.25 oz) of flour and 2 whole grams (less than an eighth of an ounce) of meat per person, per day.

Try living on that and see how healthy you are. Until recently, only 81 items were considered safe enough to be allowed into Gaza.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40769 Gender:	Re: Israel holds over 370 Palestinian children captive Reply #50 - Jun 28^th, 2010 at 8:45am annie Quote: Try living on that and see how healthy you are try sending rockets at your neighbours for decades, vowing to wipe them off the face of the earth, see how they treat you back.
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Israel holds over 370 Palestinian children captive Reply #51 - Jun 28^th, 2010 at 9:05am Tit for tat? Try reading about the Nakba.
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Deborahmac09 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1619	Re: Israel holds over 370 Palestinian children captive Reply #52 - Jun 28^th, 2010 at 9:50am Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 9:05am: Tit for tat? Try reading about the Nakba. Tit for tat is what humans do best. It is in our genes. All that both sides are doing is ensuring that it continues. Neither care about those who are caught in the middle.
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Reply #53 - Jun 28^th, 2010 at 10:40am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 2:30pm:

Strange how the Jews bombard us all the time about the
horrors inflicted by the Nazis & then do similar things
to other people.
They then expect us to say that what was done to them was wrong
but what they do to others is right.

I can't get my head around that sort of hypocrisy.

Interesting isn’t it.
In spite of all apologies, compensations etc, for seventy years , Germans couldn’t convince Jews that they are not so bad, improved and become better.[b]

[/b]As much as Germans apologize to Jews they ask for more. Do you know why? Because Jews are known as incredibly good merchants.

But not only that, It looks that Germans have to apologize for what has been done to Palestinians as well.
So the formula is very simple, before you kill or imprison dozen innocent Palestinian kids first loudly talk about Holocaust (that happened 70 years ago), and let bad masochist Germans to apologize for what you are presently doing to others.
Clever isn’t it?

So Germans have been apologizing to Jews for almost seventy years.
The question is when Jews will start apologizing for almost sixty years of Palestinian suffering under Zionist occupation?

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Deborahmac09 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1619	Re: Israel holds over 370 Palestinian children captive Reply #54 - Jun 28^th, 2010 at 12:31pm Quote: The question is when Jews will start apologizing for almost sixty years of Palestinian suffering under Zionist occupation? When hell freezes over! Is it cold yet?
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Reply #55 - Jun 28^th, 2010 at 12:37pm

Youths attack Jewish dance group in Germany
By KIRSTEN GRIESHABER (AP) – 3 days ago

BERLIN — Arab youths threw stones at a Jewish dance group during a street festival in Hannover, injuring one dancer and forcing the group to cancel its performance, German police and dance officials said Thursday.

The teenagers also used a megaphone to shout anti-Semitic slurs during the attack Saturday, Hannover police spokesman Thorsten Schiewe said.

"I don't remember such a dramatic attack in Germany in recent times," said Michael Fuerst, the head of the Jewish community of the state of Lower Saxony.

Six suspects have been identified — five Arabic immigrants and one German — and police are looking for the other three, police said. The six range from nine to 19 years old and have been questioned by police.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jKQiOG88RA8DaNOcbhz8DnIkUBdwD9...

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Reply #56 - Jun 28^th, 2010 at 1:29pm

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The question is when Jews will start apologizing for almost sixty years of Palestinian suffering under Zionist occupation?

They never will.
People are dying from drinking water contaminated with bacteria.
The Jews are commiting a holocaust using biological weapons.
They want all the Pallys to die.

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Reply #57 - Jun 28^th, 2010 at 4:08pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 8:21am:

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However there is more than enough basic foods sent in to provide a reasonable quality of life and health...

You don't know what you're talking about.

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The government boasted that since the beginning of this current year, it magnanimously allowed 24,302 tons of fruit, 14,879 tons of flour and 600 tons of meat into the Gaza strip (all tons metric). Divided by 150 days and by 1.5 million people, that works out to 108 grams (4 oz) of fruit, 66 grams (2.25 oz) of flour and 2 whole grams (less than an eighth of an ounce) of meat per person, per day.

Try living on that and see how healthy you are. Until recently, only 81 items were considered safe enough to be allowed into Gaza.

Annie, combine the supplies sent with the food grown on the farms in Gaza, the milk and cheese from the goat and sheep flocks and the fruit from the orchards and the fish caught in waters off Gaza....

Makes a bit of a difference doesn't it????

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Reply #58 - Jun 28^th, 2010 at 4:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 1:29pm:

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The question is when Jews will start apologizing for almost sixty years of Palestinian suffering under Zionist occupation?

They never will.
People are dying from drinking water contaminated with bacteria.
The Jews are commiting a holocaust using biological weapons.
They want all the Pallys to die.

Bobby, exactly HOW many people in Gaza have died in, say the last 3 months, from comtaminated water????

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Reply #59 - Jun 28^th, 2010 at 4:25pm

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Annie, combine the supplies sent with the food grown on the farms in Gaza, the milk and cheese from the goat and sheep flocks and the fruit from the orchards and the fish caught in waters off Gaza....

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In the main fishing site of Gaza City, called Almina, there are dozens of fishermen trying to feed their children under harsh economic conditions. Abdurrahman Abu Riyala approached us and spoke out about his daily suffering.

"I have recently come under fire. While I was working on my boat, I was surprised by them approaching me. They took me to the west, then to Almajdal. They also forced me to strip off my clothes and jump into the water," Abu Riyal said.

The practice of forcing sailors to strip and swim naked from their boats has become a routine method of humiliation. The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem reports that near-naked fishermen must then endure freezing temperatures while being taken to an Israeli port. Fishermen are later returned to their boat and again forced to swim across

The IDF bulldoze crops all the time. The UN and just about every NGO (including Israeli organisations) have said that Gazans don't have access to enough food and medical care, let alone building supplies, yet you're saying they do. I think I'll go with the informed opinion, thanks.

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