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Reply #1395 - Feb 8th, 2016 at 12:38pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 9:49am:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 12:47pm:
Collapse Of Shale Gas Production Has Begun


The U.S. Empire is in serious trouble as the collapse of its domestic shale gas production has begun.

All the trillions of Dollars in financial assets mean nothing without oil, natural gas or coal. Energy drives the economy and finance steers it. As I stated several times before, the financial industry is driving us over the cliff.


I'd give the current low oil prices until third quarter. There is no point in OPEC continuing their strategy beyond that point.

Low oil prices also acts as a market stimulus.

Make the best of 97.9c/litre diesel while you can.

We should be seeing lower flight costs too.


Well, I take the view that Demand is already directing Energy Prices lower, because Demand is in Decline.
My expectation is that at some point, probably later this year, Demand Decline will finally be propelled further, probably by some miscalculation or unexpected event & GFC2 will get underway, in earnest!

So, at that point, with Demand Decline in full swing, it will likely translate to lower Energy Prices, for a while longer.

And, YES, lower flight costs SHOULD result, But we SHOULD already have lower Petrol prices & that hasn't happened & neither of the major Political party's have said much!
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Reply #1397 - Feb 9th, 2016 at 1:07pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 8:49pm:


Yes, another "interesting" night!

DOW UP, DOWN & all around, yet again with "some" outside influence.
DOW Finished Down 178 @ 16,027, BUT got as low as 15,810, before "something" gave it a kick along over the last 1.5 hours.

That said, since the DOW closed, the DOW Futures has sunk again & is currently Down, just over 120.

As for the All Ords, it is currently off just over 120 (about 2.40%) @ 4,903.

Cheers!   
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Reply #1398 - Feb 9th, 2016 at 11:59pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 1:07pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 8:49pm:


Yes, another "interesting" night!

DOW UP, DOWN & all around, yet again with "some" outside influence.
DOW Finished Down 178 @ 16,027, BUT got as low as 15,810, before "something" gave it a kick along over the last 1.5 hours.

That said, since the DOW closed, the DOW Futures has sunk again & is currently Down, just over 120.

As for the All Ords, it is currently off just over 120 (about 2.40%) @ 4,903.

Cheers!   


Dare I say it again?
It may be, yet again, another "interesting" night?

DOW Futures have been all over the place, yet again!
But, they are currently DOWN around some 180 points, @ around 15,810.

Europe is also down around 2-3%.

Cheers!


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Re: For the Record
Reply #1399 - Feb 10th, 2016 at 11:43am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 11:59pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 1:07pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 8:49pm:


Yes, another "interesting" night!

DOW UP, DOWN & all around, yet again with "some" outside influence.
DOW Finished Down 178 @ 16,027, BUT got as low as 15,810, before "something" gave it a kick along over the last 1.5 hours.

That said, since the DOW closed, the DOW Futures has sunk again & is currently Down, just over 120.

As for the All Ords, it is currently off just over 120 (about 2.40%) @ 4,903.

Cheers!   


Dare I say it again?
It may be, yet again, another "interesting" night?

DOW Futures have been all over the place, yet again!
But, they are currently DOWN around some 180 points, @ around 15,810.

Europe is also down around 2-3%.

Cheers!




Well, they are at it again!

The DOW Futures, has again been all over the place, But currently it is DOWn about 80.

And, the OZ All Ords is currently DOWn 100 @ 4,783.

Cheers!
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Re: For the Record
Reply #1400 - Feb 11th, 2016 at 11:30am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 10th, 2016 at 11:43am:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 11:59pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 1:07pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 8:49pm:


Yes, another "interesting" night!

DOW UP, DOWN & all around, yet again with "some" outside influence.
DOW Finished Down 178 @ 16,027, BUT got as low as 15,810, before "something" gave it a kick along over the last 1.5 hours.

That said, since the DOW closed, the DOW Futures has sunk again & is currently Down, just over 120.

As for the All Ords, it is currently off just over 120 (about 2.40%) @ 4,903.

Cheers!   


Dare I say it again?
It may be, yet again, another "interesting" night?

DOW Futures have been all over the place, yet again!
But, they are currently DOWN around some 180 points, @ around 15,810.

Europe is also down around 2-3%.

Cheers!




Well, they are at it again!

The DOW Futures, has again been all over the place, But currently it is DOWn about 80.

And, the OZ All Ords is currently DOWn 100 @ 4,783.

Cheers!


AGAIN/STILL markets are all over the place!

Despite earlier Futures indications and a good start last night, the DOW inished DOWN 100 @ 15,915.

The OZ All Ords started out UP, But is now dipping between slightly Down & slightly up.

DOW Futures, for what it's worth is now Down 109 @ 15,744.

My "educated guess", is that WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO ENTERING UNKNOWN/ UNKNOWABLE TERRITORY, where many things are possible?!



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Re: For the Record
Reply #1401 - Feb 11th, 2016 at 1:44pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 11th, 2016 at 11:30am:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 10th, 2016 at 11:43am:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 11:59pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 1:07pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 8:49pm:


Yes, another "interesting" night!

DOW UP, DOWN & all around, yet again with "some" outside influence.
DOW Finished Down 178 @ 16,027, BUT got as low as 15,810, before "something" gave it a kick along over the last 1.5 hours.

That said, since the DOW closed, the DOW Futures has sunk again & is currently Down, just over 120.

As for the All Ords, it is currently off just over 120 (about 2.40%) @ 4,903.

Cheers!   


Dare I say it again?
It may be, yet again, another "interesting" night?

DOW Futures have been all over the place, yet again!
But, they are currently DOWN around some 180 points, @ around 15,810.

Europe is also down around 2-3%.

Cheers!




Well, they are at it again!

The DOW Futures, has again been all over the place, But currently it is DOWn about 80.

And, the OZ All Ords is currently DOWn 100 @ 4,783.

Cheers!


AGAIN/STILL markets are all over the place!

Despite earlier Futures indications and a good start last night, the DOW inished DOWN 100 @ 15,915.

The OZ All Ords started out UP, But is now dipping between slightly Down & slightly up.

DOW Futures, for what it's worth is now Down 109 @ 15,744.

My "educated guess", is that WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO ENTERING UNKNOWN/ UNKNOWABLE TERRITORY, where many things are possible?!


Oh & WTi Oil is now re-testing its recent low & is currently trading @ $26.76.
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Re: For the Record
Reply #1402 - Feb 11th, 2016 at 1:54pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 11th, 2016 at 1:44pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 11th, 2016 at 11:30am:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 10th, 2016 at 11:43am:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 11:59pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 1:07pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 8:49pm:


Yes, another "interesting" night!

DOW UP, DOWN & all around, yet again with "some" outside influence.
DOW Finished Down 178 @ 16,027, BUT got as low as 15,810, before "something" gave it a kick along over the last 1.5 hours.

That said, since the DOW closed, the DOW Futures has sunk again & is currently Down, just over 120.

As for the All Ords, it is currently off just over 120 (about 2.40%) @ 4,903.

Cheers!   


Dare I say it again?
It may be, yet again, another "interesting" night?

DOW Futures have been all over the place, yet again!
But, they are currently DOWN around some 180 points, @ around 15,810.

Europe is also down around 2-3%.

Cheers!




Well, they are at it again!

The DOW Futures, has again been all over the place, But currently it is DOWn about 80.

And, the OZ All Ords is currently DOWn 100 @ 4,783.

Cheers!


AGAIN/STILL markets are all over the place!

Despite earlier Futures indications and a good start last night, the DOW inished DOWN 100 @ 15,915.

The OZ All Ords started out UP, But is now dipping between slightly Down & slightly up.

DOW Futures, for what it's worth is now Down 109 @ 15,744.

My "educated guess", is that WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO ENTERING UNKNOWN/ UNKNOWABLE TERRITORY, where many things are possible?!


Oh & WTi Oil is now re-testing its recent low & is currently trading @ $26.76.


Oh & for those who are interested, the last time that Oil Prices were at these sort of levels was around 1988, when the Oil Price was around $27.80 per barrel.
At that time (1988), the OZ PUMP PRICE was around $0.5323.
http://atrf.info/papers/2010/2010_gargett.pdf

So, what are our Politicians doing, to balance things up?
EXACTLY NOTHING!!!

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Reply #1403 - Feb 11th, 2016 at 8:02pm
 
Worthy of Note!

The US$, in early December hit a recent high of $100.51,
it was still @ nearly $0.99 on February 3rd.

As of now, the US$index sits @ $95.47!

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/dxy

Oh & US DOW Futures are currently DOWn some 280 @ 15,585.
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Reply #1404 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 8:08am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 11th, 2016 at 1:54pm:
Oh & for those who are interested, the last time that Oil Prices were at these sort of levels was around 1988, when the Oil Price was around $27.80 per barrel.
At that time (1988), the OZ PUMP PRICE was around $0.5323.
http://atrf.info/papers/2010/2010_gargett.pdf

So, what are our Politicians doing, to balance things up?
EXACTLY NOTHING!!!



Politicians don't control the price of petrol. It's market driven like everything else, and the market is not a charity. OK, there is obviously some profit taking at the pump too, but consumer action is more likely to have an effect than blustering from politicians.

For one thing the benchmark for the Asia Pacific Market is the Singapore ULP price.

Secondly, car ownership in China and India are growing exponentially, and finally ancillary costs including wages etc are not at 1988 levels. These factors are what drives the AP petrol market at this stage.

Having said that, pump prices will continue to fall. I filled my tank with diesel at 97.9c/litre last week.

Looking at a holiday in Europe later in the year. Some of the fares have dropped a bit. You can get a return flight on a reputable airline for $1500.  I think they might fall further. 
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Reply #1405 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 8:14am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 11th, 2016 at 8:02pm:
Worthy of Note!

The US$, in early December hit a recent high of $100.51,
it was still @ nearly $0.99 on February 3rd.

As of now, the US$index sits @ $95.47!

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/dxy

Oh & US DOW Futures are currently DOWn some 280 @ 15,585.


Still more algorithmic trading in Europe and the US overnight forcing the market down.  It's a good time to keep your powder dry.

I remain optimistic of a market turnaround by mid year. Let's see who's right  Wink
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Reply #1406 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 10:56am
 
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 8:14am:
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 11th, 2016 at 8:02pm:
Worthy of Note!

The US$, in early December hit a recent high of $100.51,
it was still @ nearly $0.99 on February 3rd.

As of now, the US$index sits @ $95.47!

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/dxy

Oh & US DOW Futures are currently DOWn some 280 @ 15,585.


Still more algorithmic trading in Europe and the US overnight forcing the market down.  It's a good time to keep your powder dry.

I remain optimistic of a market turnaround by mid year. Let's see who's right  Wink


For the record, I would prefer your thought to be correct!

However, the Global Basics of -
1) Demographics
2) Energy
3) Climate Change
4) Technology
5) Existing Economic Problems
Would all come together, to suggest that things will get worse, not better!
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Reply #1407 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 11:13am
 
Most of these effects have a lot of latency associated with them, and the markets are becoming proportionally less free (thinking of emerging markets) . I don't think it's as rigid a correspondence as you might think.

For example, Oil Production has physical limits. This over-production can only go on for so long.

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Oil-Tankers-Are-Filling-Up-As-Global-Storag...
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Posted on Thu, 12 November 2015 21:36 | 0

The rebound in oil prices is still not here, and new data suggests that it will take some more time before the markets start to balance out.

Global supplies are still too large to justify a significant rally in oil prices. The latest indicator that the glut of oil has yet to ease comes from the FT, which concludes that there is 100 million barrels of oil sitting in oil tankers. Oil has piled up in tankers that are floating at sea, as onshore storage space begins to dwindle.

The level of crude oil stashed at sea is nearly double what it was earlier in 2015. “Onshore storage is not quite full but it is at historically high levels globally,” David Wech of JBC Energy told the FT. “As we move closer to capacity that is creating more infrastructure hiccups and delays in the oil market, leading to more oil being backed out on to the water.”
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Reply #1408 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 4:16pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Feb 12th, 2016 at 11:13am:
Most of these effects have a lot of latency associated with them, and the markets are becoming proportionally less free (thinking of emerging markets) . I don't think it's as rigid a correspondence as you might think.

For example, Oil Production has physical limits. This over-production can only go on for so long.

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Oil-Tankers-Are-Filling-Up-As-Global-Storag...
Quote:
Oil Tankers Are Filling Up As Global Storage Space Runs Low
By James Stafford
Posted on Thu, 12 November 2015 21:36 | 0

The rebound in oil prices is still not here, and new data suggests that it will take some more time before the markets start to balance out.

Global supplies are still too large to justify a significant rally in oil prices. The latest indicator that the glut of oil has yet to ease comes from the FT, which concludes that there is 100 million barrels of oil sitting in oil tankers. Oil has piled up in tankers that are floating at sea, as onshore storage space begins to dwindle.

The level of crude oil stashed at sea is nearly double what it was earlier in 2015. “Onshore storage is not quite full but it is at historically high levels globally,” David Wech of JBC Energy told the FT. “As we move closer to capacity that is creating more infrastructure hiccups and delays in the oil market, leading to more oil being backed out on to the water.”


Well, with the issues at now at hand, timing is certainly very difficult!   

That said, I would suggest that Oil is certainly not the only major Economic driver, which is turning negative, But it will be more than just a "little problem", all by itself.

You see, Supply is not the sole problem, there is also A Declining Demand, which is being driven by a Declining Global Population Growth. AND, the major Supply driver, being due to US Shale Oil, is now in Decline, due to "ongoing Production issues", Demand Decline & pure Financial issues, which make Shale look very shaky, for future Bank funding! 

My expectation is that Global Energy Demand will Decline further, as Global Population Growth continues to Decline and will at some point it will actually go negative, which is pretty much set in concrete & that will continue, probably until the end of this century.

So, at some point, probably before the end of this year, Oil will probably slip under $20 a barrel, as the Global Economy slips into GFC2, which will be reflected in losses on Global Share markets of between 50-90%.

That will obviously put a further & substantial dent in Oil Prices, But with little, to no ammunition left, Central Banks & most governments will struggle to find any real fixes, particularly given that existing levels of Debt are already thru the roof & most countries already have extremely low or negative interest rates.

Anyway, I think that CB's & Governments have already delayed as long as they can, so we will soon enough find out , what awaits! 
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Reply #1409 - Feb 12th, 2016 at 6:06pm
 
Sold my shares yesterday, time will tell if I have made the right or wrong decision  Grin
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