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Reply #15 - Jul 3rd, 2010 at 10:10pm
 
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it's not so much the spending of the surplus that is the problem, it is the massive unfunded deficits they have run up that cause inflation down the track.Higher interest rates = higher mortgage interest rates.
higher mortgage interest rates = higher forced home sales and bankruptices of ordinary people.
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Reply #16 - Jul 4th, 2010 at 9:51am
 
Our government debt is not massive at all. It's tiny compared to most Western countries. It's not likely to have any discernable effect on interest rates either. Actually I would be more worried if interest rates were stll low. It would be a sign that the economy is weak and the Reserve Bank is still trying to stimulate it.
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Reply #17 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 10:00pm
 
"debt not massive at all. tiny in comparison to other western countries".

typical example of left-wing economics: "hey, we're not the worst debt in the world".
I have never heard in my life a left-wing view of economics which says basically that a deficit is *ever* massive.
We shouldn't bloody well have *any* deficit in this country. Labor was left with a huuuge surplus, and blew it within a year and then racked up a debt which is worse than the Whitlam government's.
Government debt = inflation = higher interest rates (in a little while) = higher mortgage defaults.

Do labor voters actually understand that when there are "higher interest rates", that also means "higher mortgage rates" - *house* mortgage rates, and others. Higher interest rates just isn't for the comfies who have some money in the bank - unlike the Australian government apparently.

I like governments who actually know how to stop spending money so they don't cause inflation which in turn protects the spending power of our money, and stops house prices going up.
Do labor politicians actually have any idea of these concepts?
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Reply #18 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 10:01pm
 
or do they conveniently redefine them?
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Reply #19 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 6:18pm
 
]"debt not massive at all. tiny in comparison to other western countries".

typical example of left-wing economics: "hey, we're not the worst debt in the world".
I have never heard in my life a left-wing view of economics which says basically that a deficit is *ever* massive.
We shouldn't bloody well have *any* deficit in this country. Labor was left with a huuuge surplus, and blew it within a year and then racked up a debt which is worse than the Whitlam government's.

There on target to balance the budget in a couple of years. Do you think this would be the case if they let the economy go into reccession?

Government debt = inflation = higher interest rates (in a little while) = higher mortgage defaults.

That's the simplistic line that that Howard tried in the last election. Government debt is only a factor in interest rates. Look at the US for instance. Their government debt dwarfs ours yet their interest rates are near zero!

Do labor voters actually understand that when there are "higher interest rates", that also means "higher mortgage rates" - *house* mortgage rates, and others. Higher interest rates just isn't for the comfies who have some money in the bank - unlike the Australian government apparently.

You have touched on the real debt problem - ie consumer or personal debt which has grown out of control (thanks to the excessive and wasteful property boom encouraged by the last conservatve government).

I like governments who actually know how to stop spending money so they don't cause inflation which in turn protects the spending power of our money, and stops house prices going up.
Do labor politicians actually have any idea of these concepts? [/quote]

House prices are too high, it wouldn't be a bad thing if they came down or at least stagnated.
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Reply #20 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 10:21pm
 
there wouldn't have been a recession here anyway.

"That's the simplistic line that that Howard tried in the last election. Government debt is only a factor in interest rates. Look at the US for instance. Their government debt dwarfs ours yet their interest rates are near zero! "

excellent example of redefinition. Nothing to do with Howard, it's a basic economic tenet: government spending causes inflation, big government spending causes big inflation, interest rates are a casualty of that. There is no way U.S. interest rates will stay low in the medium term, try as they might to keep them down. The government spending / inflation spiral doesn't happen overnight. Just like the Whitlam years here, the inflation started to ramp up years after, it doesn't happen tomorrow.

Inflation encourages people to invest in real estate, not conservative governments, or any government for that matter on the basis of their political persuasion, only on their fiscal management skills or lack there. Property is one of the only assets that can keep up with inflation, that's why people invest in it. Governments that spend up big cause inflation which causes people to invest in real estate which causes the price of housing to go up fast and a lot. Labor governments are invariably the profligate spenders, just like this one - that is what causes inflation and increasing property prices. Blame labor.
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Reply #21 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 10:28pm
 
did you know that in terms of gold, a barrel of oil costs about the same now as it did fifty years ago, or more?
It only costs more in terms of the bullsh*t fiat (paper) currencies that governments have brought in so they can go into big deficits, and inflate the currency to devalue that debt (and the spending power of your savings).
Governments can't print gold, and can't get any more than what they've got, so they don't like that as a currency - they love paper money because they can spend whatever they want without consequences to themselves (a bit like a government credit card that everyone else has to pay off). The consequences of governments spending on credit is inflation - the consequences of that are that the government debt is devalued along with your money. That's why it costs you a lot more today for a barrel oil (or a litre at the garage), that it did fifty years ago.
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Reply #22 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 10:32pm
 
Australian currency used to be not just backed by gold, it *was* gold. You've probably heard of Australian gold sovereigns.
Governments around the world abolished gold currency early in the last century so their spending would not be restricted.
Inflation has been the curse of these economies ever since. Now you have the luxury of working all your life and see any savings you have not only taxed to the hilt by governments, but also devalued by inflation.
You are an economic slave to governments as well as corporations in that situation.
The only thing the ordinary person can really do is buy property - hey, then the government wants to tax any capital gains you make on your risk.
Both sides of politics does this sort of thing, labor does it even more.
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Reply #23 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 8:14am
 
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Starting to look like a W now, but I'd expect we'll get back on track by the end of the year. I'd also expect a few more see-saws yet.  

Wild fluctuations around September. You read it here first.


Jeez, check out the soothsayers with the big brains  Roll Eyes
Next they'll be prediciting lots of "V's" within a graph. ..And if you put two of those "V's" together, you get a "W" ..OMG  Shocked ..how creepy.

So why didn't they tell us earlier that there was going to be a large volcano eruption?
Why didn't they tell us earlier of Rudd's thoughts on a large mining tax?
..Or the European debt crisis that everybody should've known about in the frist place? ..and etc. etc.

Wherever there is a Lemony Snicket, there will always be "V's" and "W's" within a graph. But zoom out far enough, and you'll see a straight line heading upwards.
What's the angle of that line? 42 degrees would be my guess.   Cheesy








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Reply #24 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 8:47am
 
who do you mean by "they". "they" did tell us, at least some did, over years before and right up to; and they're still saying it.
You don't hear it on mainstream ABC media in Australia though. They are about six months behind being aware of current commentary. If you rely on the Australian media, you will be left at the back of the queue.
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Reply #25 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 9:18am
 
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who do you mean by "they".


"They" are one third of "Them" and "Those" who have different predictions.

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Reply #26 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 9:31am
 
they're the ones - that third. Yes.
Now, go on, don't ask me where to find what they're saying will you.
Because we know everything in Australia, don't we.

Did you know that in the last quarter, one of the biggest exports from Australia was gold?
Surprising that, isn't it.
Mind you, the Australian labor government doesn't buy any, and the libs sold all ours fifteen years ago. Oh well, just as well all those sovereign wealth funds around the world can't get enough of it, you know, India, China, Russia, all those sorts of places.
Never mind, we'll be right here eh.
Don't you think so? Yes? No? Oh, what the f^k, where's my beer.
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Reply #27 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 9:41am
 
you did know, didn't you, that Australia is one of the biggest gold producers in the world - has been since the 1800s, but the Australian government is way down on the list of countries that have national gold reserves in the kitty? We sold most of ours in the mid 90s because of an international agreement among the world's gold producing countries to do that, led by America, which didn't end up selling their gold anyway.

Gold, red and black - that should be the real colours of the Australian flag - gold for gold, red for iron ore and black for coal.
That's why we don't have to worry too much about global financial crises.

Jee, I wish the government would buy some. Nah, hey, tax them instead I suppose that's how they think.

will we ever get better than backwater hicks for a government in this country? (Rhetorical. I'm not sure I want to hear the answer to that.)
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Reply #28 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 10:23am
 
Yes I've chastised Johnny over and over for selling our gold reserves for a song. But I admit that I was being a bit disingenuous there, because our gold reserves really add up to a minor amount of our nation's total wealth. And we have lots more gold still sitting there in the ground.

I also chastised Johnny for skimping on our infrastructure, and that's where I think our real wealth lies.
You can do lots more with a thriving city than you can do with a lump of gold. So in effect, I agree that the lump of gold is a minor priority when compared to a thriving city.
But if you sell that lump of gold, which has proven to have increased significantly in value, without significantly improving the infrastructure upon it's proceeds, then you must really consider Johnny as being nothing more than a total economic moron.

Maybe there's some other economic angle that I haven't taken into account there, but I can see a lot of wasted profits for our country at the hands of one J.W.Howard.


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Reply #29 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 11:26am
 
yes, god only knows what Howard and Costello did with the money from the gold sale. I reckon they probably just kept it in the bank and that's what accounted for that great big surplus they had when a majority of the Australian electorate kicked them out of government. Can't have surpluses, you know, means they aren't doing anything probably.
Never mind, good old labor has come along and given that surplus the flick quick smart, eh. Not only that, they've given them the finger too, by running up a great big deficit.  That'll teach them.
Only thing is that labor could have used that gold to sell and wipe out the deficit, just to give them another finger, but hey, you can't have everything can you. Anyway, they can tax the crap out of them instead to get rid of the deficit, and if they can't get the companies, well, they can always come after little b*st*rds, that can't do anything about it anyway. Ha ha ha. That'll teach them to make a profit - capitalist b*stards. .
All that, and they didn't have to do the infrastructure thing either.
s*ht it's good being a labor supporter.

and we'll look real good too, if we get the gold mines to stop digging all that gold up and leave it in the ground, then we'll get all the voters back who've gone over to the greens. Bl*ody idiots!
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