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Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:04pm
 
Parents will be entitled to claim generous fee subsidies for sending their children to private and independent schools as part of the Coalition's expanded education rebate policy.
Even music lessons will be eligible for a rebate under the program.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said he supported choice in education, and the $760 million boost to the tax rebate for school fees and other education expenses would help parents.

Flanked by his education spokesman, Christopher Pyne, Mr Abbott - who was later mobbed by 100 school children in outer Brisbane - said it was important to reduce the pressures of the cost of living, including fees for schooling.

"A very, very large percentage of parents at government schools these days face what are called voluntary fees," he said.

Under the coalition's policy, the current 50 per cent rebate will be lifted to $500 dollars a year for each primary school student and $1000 for each high school student - and extended to private schooling.

The rebate is currently $390 for primary school students and $779 for secondary students.

Mr Abbott said the rebate would cover more than laptops and could be used for school fees and other costs such as tuition and costs incurred for children with special needs.

Mr Pyne said the government's plan to extend the rebate by including the cost of school uniforms was flawed, and would not apply for another two years.

"The obvious flaw in Labor's policy is it only applies to stationery, computer expenses and uniforms," he told reporters.

The coalition's policy would provide money for a whole range of expenses including extra tuition, school fees and extra-curricular activities, including music.

"Our policy would really reduce cost-of-living pressures on families," the father-of-four said.

"Whereas Labor's is simply more smoke and mirrors and doesn't apply for two years."

After the announcement, Mr Abbott was mobbed by nearly 100 children during at the Lutheran school at Victoria Point in the electorate of Bowman as he took to the oval for an unspecified game of football.

As he walked out, he was set upon by a swarm of school children.

"I touched him," screamed one of the exultant students.

"I don't even know who he is," screamed another.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/abbott-pledges-schoolfee-rebates-20100721-10k6a.html


More "Wealthfare"
"Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said he supported choice in education"
Only if you can afford the school in the 1st place, if not suffer at the local public which of course can't get enough funding due to our tax dollars helping people who can afford private schools keep even more cash in their pockets.
Remember NO NEW TAXES & also scrapping the mining tax so what are you cutting to afford this Tony??????

"I don't even know who he is," screamed another.
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Reply #1 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:26pm
 
Private education takes the burden off the public system, and remember its not only private schools that have school fees and extra cirricular activites smithy. 

As an soon to be dad I welcome this.
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Reply #2 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:31pm
 

Verge wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:26pm:
Private education takes the burden off the public system, and remember its not only private schools that have school fees and extra cirricular activites smithy.  

As an soon to be dad I welcome this.


Congrats and commiserations, Verge - how far away is the ETA?

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Reply #3 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:33pm
 

Hmmnnn...details please: do Abbott & Co plan to means test this in a similar way that the Labs are currently doing!?


PS To clarify my own perspective, here is a repeat of some associated comments I made elsewhere: -

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Personally, I would prefer that something like this was fairly means-tested - so that monies went to low-median income families...

Even better: the Labs probably should have implemented their original policy as automatic annual (or bi-annual) lump-sum payments to FTB recipients...

Seriously, these cynical targeted rebate-payments are an indirect admission that FTB and other welfare payments are grossly inadequate when it comes to meeting the costs of raising children!!!

Given the high costs of raising children, it is unnecessarily costly to create a formal claim process that makes families beg for money that they ought to be entitled to in the first instance...



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Reply #4 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:39pm
 
Equitist wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:31pm:
Verge wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:26pm:
Private education takes the burden off the public system, and remember its not only private schools that have school fees and extra cirricular activites smithy.  

As an soon to be dad I welcome this.


Congrats and commiserations, Verge - how far away is the ETA?

Wink



End of November, and I can tell you the costs of education is scary as you are well aware, school fees, books, excursions, sport and any possible extra cirricular activities, its gonna keep me in the poor house for many a years I think.
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Reply #5 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:40pm
 
Verge wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:26pm:
Private education takes the burden off the public system, and remember its not only private schools that have school fees and extra cirricular activites smithy.  

As an soon to be dad I welcome this.


Congrats Verge Smiley
Having a teenage daughter myself who attends a private school you would expect that I would welcome this.
But even though I personally would benefit even I can see its a shallow vote buying exercise aimed at the Upper middle to middle class.
I rather my tax dollars improve the public education than give me an extra tax cut.
As for the old mantra of taking the burden off public education it's a furphy.
I never intended to send my child to the local high school, primary yes but not high school (her's has from K to Y12 on 1 campus so she only was public for K)& I bet that would be the response of 90% of parents of privately educated kids.
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Reply #6 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:46pm
 

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:40pm:
[...] I can see its a shallow vote buying exercise aimed at the Upper middle to middle class.
I rather my tax dollars improve the public education than give me an extra tax cut.
As for the old mantra of taking the burden off public education it's a furphy.


Agreed, ditto!
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Reply #7 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:48pm
 

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As for the old mantra of taking the burden off public education it's a furphy.


Same goes for public subsidies of EFFECTIVELY-EXCLUSIVE pseUdo-Private Health Insurance - even more so - and especially for TOTALLY-EXCLUSIVE 'Extra Benefits' cover!

In fact, the public subsidisation of duplicated facilities and resources is grossly inequitable, inefficient and counter-productive (with the diseconomies of small-scale being exponentially-exacerbated in both sectors)- especially in disadvantaged and resouce-strapped smaller communities and where the numbers of pseudo-private clientelle is small (such as in the case of far too many private and independent schools)...
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Reply #8 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:50pm
 
My principals are that I do not want or encourage a government to 'help' me pay for schooling for my kids .
This is MY job.

However. I do expect a government to supply good education system and classrooms and services.
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Reply #9 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 6:00pm
 
Equitist wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:46pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 12:40pm:
[...] I can see its a shallow vote buying exercise aimed at the Upper middle to middle class.
I rather my tax dollars improve the public education than give me an extra tax cut.
As for the old mantra of taking the burden off public education it's a furphy.


Agreed, ditto!


We all know why you agree with that comment and it has nothing to do with the facts. with 2/3 of students in private schools the comment is an undeniable fact of massive proportions. but when your thinking is defined soley by ideology then you come up with crap like this.
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Reply #10 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 6:49pm
 
So how do you all think the public system would cope with the extra students if private school subsidies were dropped? Would it mean a better education for all? Would it save or cost money?

You need to be very careful about how you handle this, because it seems like a good deal to me (for the government) if many parents pay for school instead of taking the free government option. It is not a typical subsidisation problem because it is not a free market, but a free handout that the private schools are competing against.

public vs private education

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Reply #11 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 6:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 6:49pm:
So how do you all think the public system would cope with the extra students if private school subsidies were dropped? Would it mean a better education for all? Would it save or cost money?

You need to be very careful about how you handle this, because it seems like a good deal to me (for the government) if many parents pay for school instead of taking the free government option. It is not a typical subsidisation problem because it is not a free market, but a free handout that the private schools are competing against.

public vs private education

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1172911103


since govt subsidies for public students are 50% higher than for private students then I fail to understand how there is an argument that private schools ARENT making it cheaper for govt. in fact, it is one of those impossibne-to-argue-against facts.

but there are always those whose complaint is based on greed. private schools are better equipped than public schools but they arent in the least way willing to pay for that themselves.
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Reply #12 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 6:58pm
 
It depends. Using the 50% more figure, if less than 2/3 of students switched to public, then the government would save money by dropping subsidies. Of course, this only considers money spent, not what you get in return.
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Reply #13 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 7:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 6:58pm:
It depends. Using the 50% more figure, if less than 2/3 of students switched to public, then the government would save money by dropping subsidies. Of course, this only considers money spent, not what you get in return.


thats an invalid argument. you might as well say the govt will drop subsidies for all private schools and therefore save money. of course the problm is that 80% of private students will revert to public thus costing the govt MORE money.
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Reply #14 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 7:32pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 6:00pm:
We all know why you agree with that comment and it has nothing to do with the facts. with 2/3 of students in private schools the comment is an undeniable fact of massive proportions. but when your thinking is defined soley by ideology then you come up with crap like this.


Can you tell me where you get this figure of 2/3 of students in private schools?

I would have thought it the other way.

ie. 2/3 in government schools.
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