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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: More Public Money for Private Education Reply #135 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:05pm so wil you make a logical argument or not?
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Reply #136 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:06pm

mellie wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 2:58pm:

Where has $140 billion gone, can Labor even begin to explain where it went?

And do you suppose Labor will be capable of restoring this $40 billion surplus in the 3 short years it took them to blow a whopping $140 billion?

Think about it.

... Has anyone thought to ask where it went to begin with?

I heard you the first 5 or 6 times you posted those rhetorical statements - and I need only two words to summarise the answer: 'structural deficit'.

I suggest that you google 'structural deficit costello' or 'structural deficit howard' - but I doubt that you will be inclined to appreciate the relevant commentary that has been debated out there over the past couple of years or so...

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Reply #137 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:08pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:03pm:

Equitist wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 2:52pm:

||grossly-regressive tax ||

an interesting description for TAX CUTS to everyone. you must be a lot of fun at parties...

Are you being deliberately obtuse, Longy - or are you genuinely ignorant of the meanings (and multiplier socio-economic implications) of the tax terms 'regressive' and 'progressive'!?

you are playing with words with subjective and contextually sensitive meanings whiel flatly refusing to make even a semblance of an actual CASE for your POV.

Like I said, keep digging - your dogmatic roots are showing more by the minute...

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Reply #138 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:11pm

Equitist wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:06pm:

mellie wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 2:58pm:

Where has $140 billion gone, can Labor even begin to explain where it went?

And do you suppose Labor will be capable of restoring this $40 billion surplus in the 3 short years it took them to blow a whopping $140 billion?

Think about it.

... Has anyone thought to ask where it went to begin with?

I heard you the first 5 or 6 times you posted those rhetorical statements - and I need only two words to summarise the answer: 'structural deficit'.

I suggest that you google 'structural deficit costello' or 'structural deficit howard' - but I doubt that you will be inclined to appreciate the relevant commentary that has been debated out there the past couple of years or so...

'structural deficit' is one of those new and convenient terms used by economists and pollies to magically construct bad news out of good news. it is how you turn a surplus into a deficit and no debt into debt without changing a single dollar in the bank. it is one of those trendy new ways of making truth into lie.

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Reply #139 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:12pm

Equitist wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:03pm:

Equitist wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 2:52pm:

||grossly-regressive tax ||

an interesting description for TAX CUTS to everyone. you must be a lot of fun at parties...

Are you being deliberately obtuse, Longy - or are you genuinely ignorant of the meanings (and multiplier socio-economic implications) of the tax terms 'regressive' and 'progressive'!?

you are playing with words with subjective and contextually sensitive meanings whiel flatly refusing to make even a semblance of an actual CASE for your POV.

Like I said, keep digging - your dogmatic roots are showing more by the minute...

so I take it you HAVE NO ACTUAL non-hsyterical, non-flag-waving, non-pot-smoking fact based argument to make?

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Reply #140 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:11pm:

Equitist wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:06pm:

mellie wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 2:58pm:

Where has $140 billion gone, can Labor even begin to explain where it went?

And do you suppose Labor will be capable of restoring this $40 billion surplus in the 3 short years it took them to blow a whopping $140 billion?

Think about it.

... Has anyone thought to ask where it went to begin with?

I heard you the first 5 or 6 times you posted those rhetorical statements - and I need only two words to summarise the answer: 'structural deficit'.

I suggest that you google 'structural deficit costello' or 'structural deficit howard' - but I doubt that you will be inclined to appreciate the relevant commentary that has been debated out there the past couple of years or so...

'structural deficit' is one of those new and convenient terms used by economists and pollies to magically construct bad news out of good news. it is how you turn a surplus into a deficit and no debt into debt without changing a single dollar in the bank. it is one of those trendy new ways of making truth into lie.

So, it's all a big 'new' CONSPIRACY, then!?!?!?!

LOL...you great big conservative conspiracy theorist, you...

Roll Eyes

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: More Public Money for Private Education Reply #141 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:17pm so stil no factual argument to make? come to think of it, Ive NEVER heard you make a rational argument yet!
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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: More Public Money for Private Education Reply #142 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:19pm Yo somebody! Anybody...
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: More Public Money for Private Education Reply #143 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:22pm so i guess the debate victory is mine. when asked to propose a logical or factually based argument you found yourself unable to.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: More Public Money for Private Education Reply #144 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:51pm longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:22pm: so i guess the debate victory is mine. when asked to propose a logical or factually based argument you found yourself unable to. I dont know whay i expected more of you nemesis. its not like youve ever made a non-hysterical post nevermind response before.
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Reply #145 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 4:03pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:22pm:

so i guess the debate victory is mine. when asked to propose a logical or factually based argument you found yourself unable to.

LOL, Longy...suffice to say that you remain a legend in your own mind...

Meantime, I double-checked my claims about the tax cuts....

I am hopelessly dyslexic, so please do check my figures, but it seems that: about a year ago, I must have done calcs comparing tax cuts to individuals on taxable incomes of $125K with those on the then current single rate of Newstart (comparing individual tax rates of FY10 with FY01).

Currently, by my latest calcs, those on around $175K are benefitting annually to tune of about the equivalent of the single rate of Aged Pension (comparing individual tax rates of FY11 with FY01). That's not a bad handout to the elite, for doing nothing new - and it certainly outweighs the recent changes to means-testing of Private Health Insurance Rebate and pissy indexation of FTB-A, eh!?

Note: apparently, Longy has responded to me whilst I was making some minor edits to this post.

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Reply #146 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 4:06pm

Equitist wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 4:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 3:22pm:

so i guess the debate victory is mine. when asked to propose a logical or factually based argument you found yourself unable to.

LOL, Longy...suffice to say that you remain a legend in your own mind...

Meantime, I double-checked my claims about the tax cuts....

I am hopelessly dyslexic, so please do check my figures, but it seems that: I about a year ago, I must have done calcs comparing tax cuts to individuals on taxable incomes of $125K with those on the then current single rate of Newstart.

Currently, by my latest calcs, those on around $175K are benefitting annually to tune of about the equivalent of the single rate of Aged Pension. That's not a bad handout to the elite, for doing nothing new - and it certainly outweighs the recent changes to means-testing of Private Health Insurance Rebate and pissy indexation of FTB-A, eh!?

so stil no justification for massively increasing income taxes yet?

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Reply #147 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 4:07pm

||Currently, by my latest calcs, those on around $175K are benefitting annually to tune of about the equivalent of the single rate of Aged Pension (comparing individual tax rates of FY11 with FY01). That's not a bad handout to the elite, for doing nothing new - and it certainly outweighs the recent changes to means-testing of Private Health Insurance Rebate and pissy indexation of FTB-A, eh!?
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interesting but highly irrelevant esp since you arnt using CPI-adjusted figures.

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Reply #148 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 4:17pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 4:07pm:

||Currently, by my latest calcs, those on around $175K are benefitting annually to tune of about the equivalent of the single rate of Aged Pension (comparing individual tax rates of FY11 with FY01). That's not a bad handout to the elite, for doing nothing new - and it certainly outweighs the recent changes to means-testing of Private Health Insurance Rebate and pissy indexation of FTB-A, eh!?
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interesting but highly irrelevant esp since you arnt using CPI-adjusted figures.

LOL, Longy...feel free to try to explain your position, by CPI and/or comparing minimum, median and average wages from each of the
relevant tax years - but, you will find that: by no objective measure, have the changes in tax thresholds and rates progressively reflected changes in living costs or incomes in Australia, over the past decade or quarter century - FACT! Those changes have been cynically based on elitist dogma and/or political convenience - FACT!

Either way, be sure to also justify same in the equally relevant context, of the Libs' (and Mellie's) confected outrage over post-2007 FEDERAL BUDGET DEFICITS and DEBT, ta!

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Reply #149 - Jul 24^th, 2010 at 4:24pm

what exactly (and i do mean EXACTLY) is your problem with tax cuts that are clearly and obviously affordable and have in part contributed in taking this country from a moribund economy to a spectacular one? why have ludicrously high income taxes when govt is running at a surplus? And you have still failed - and repeatedly so - to explain the rationale behind the 60% level that you lust after, other than to inflict some kind of twisted financial pain on a segment of society that you loathe. we dont need it, we dont want it and it is counter-productive to every economic indicator to raise taxes to the punitive level.

so are we going to see a fact based argument from you or just more of your 60s drug-induced paranoia?

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