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Reply #75 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 1:10pm
 

I know that you'll like this one, Longy - given its source...

http://www.johnkaye.org.au/media/feature-non-government-schools-get-more-governm...

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Feature: Non-government schools get more government money for each special needs student than public schools

Friday 07 May 2010

The NSW and federal governments give more money to Catholic and private schools for each special needs child than they do to support the needs of an equivalent child in a public school.

The Greens analysed the per capita funding mechanisms for non-government schools which are based on the average cost of educating a child in public schools. The results contradict claims made by the private school lobby that non-government school students with disabilities or learning difficulties are not getting a fair share of the budget.

Of the $3 billion provided by the NSW and Commonwealth governments to non-government schools in this state each year as recurrent funding, 13 percent ($400 million) is provided because of the money spent on special needs services in public schools.

If this money were allocated to special needs children in non-government schools, on average they would each receive $15,800 which is 19 per cent more than the average amount spent on services for the average special needs student in public schools.

Greens MP John Kaye accused the private school lobby of misleading an upper house inquiry. He called on both state and federal governments to provide more money for special needs students in public schools .

Per capita funding mechanisms and special needs education – the details


Both state and federal governments provide recurrent funding for non-government schools on the basis of a proportion of the average costs of educating a child in a public school.

The cost of educating a child in a public schools is referred to as:

   * the AGSRC (average government school recurrent costs) in the case of the federal government’s SES and funding maintained system, and

   * “the average per capita cost to the State of educating children at government schools” (section 21 of the NSW Education Act[1]) in the case of the NSW’s government’s ’25 percent rule’ funding of non-government schools.

Both of these average public school recurrent costs include a component that derives from the costs of providing services to special needs students in public schools.

According to the NSW government submission[2] to the NSW Upper House Inquiry into Special Needs Education[3] (see page 6), the allocation of $1.1 billion to disability or special needs education in public schools in 2009/10 accounts for 13% of the total net cost of service budget in government schools.

Since 13% of the cost of educating the average child in public schools is special needs services, it follows that 13% of the recurrent funding allocated by the state and federal governments to non-government schools is because of special needs expenditure in public schools.

That money is supposed to cover part of the cost of provisions services for special needs children in non-government schools.

State and federal budgets show that total recurrent subsidies to non-government schools in NSW is $3.047 billion in 2009/10.

Thus non-government schools in NSW are receiving 13% of $3.047 billion = $396 million in respect of students with a disability or learning difficulty.

There are 25,000 special needs students in non-government schools in NSW[4].

Thus public funding delivered to non-government schools via the per capita funding mechanism is $396 million / 25,000 students = $15,800 per special needs student.

In public schools, $1.1 billion of special education funding is divided between 83,000 special eduction students[5], resulting in $1.1 billion / 83,000 = $13,253 per student.


Special needs funding graphs [see above link]

Government money provided to non-government schools through the per capita funding mechanism based on the cost of providing services for a child with special needs is 19 per cent greater than the actual money spent on the average special needs student in public schools.

Students with special needs make up:

   * 11.1 percent of students in public schools
   * 6.7 percent of students in private schools.

The per capita funding mechanism over-provides for special needs services in non-government schools.

This analysis does not account for the reality of public schools educating a far greater proportion of the very high supports needs students compared to non-government schools. Public education would be even more disadvantaged when the distribution of costs are taken into consideration.

This analysis also ignored special needs funds given to non-government schools though other mechanisms such as the supervisor subsidy.

Where does all the money go?

While non-government schools in NSW receive $400 million of their annual recurrent grants because of disability and learning difficulties service provision in public schools, much of this money is not spent on special needs students.

Despite receiving funding that would by itself provide a higher level of service provision than in public schools, non-government education allocates this money to other students and activities.

Where non-government schools students receive a lower proportion of funded services, it is because the schools have chosen to spend the money elsewhere.

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Reply #76 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 1:14pm
 

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Claims by private school lobby contradicted

The generous provision of special needs funding to non-government schools has not stopped the lobby groups arguing for more money on the basis that their students are hardly done by compared to public schools.

The NSW Upper House Inquiry into Special Needs Education received written submissions and oral evidence from:

    * the Association of Independent Schools of NSW (AIS)[1],
    * the Catholic Education Commission of NSW (CEC)[2] and
    * the Independent Education Union of Australia NSW/ACT Branch (IEU)[3].

Each of these organisations:

    * claimed that per student funding for special needs services in non-government schools is substantially less than in public schools, and
    * recommended a funding system that provided the same per student amounts regardless of educational sector.

For example, the AIS submission at page 12 argued that:

“Students with disabilities in independent schools generally receive significantly less in government funding for their educational support needs than if they were educated in a government school. … there remains an often significant gap to meet the needs of these students.”

The AIS concluded with the following recommendation at page 15:

“Recommendation 2: The establishment of funding arrangements which provide the same level of support to schools for students with a disability regardless of the sector, setting or school they attend.”

The CEC paraphrased the discredited Monash University Report at page 8:

“Students with Disabilities attending non-government Regular schools receive substantially less government disability funding than Students with Disabilities with similar needs attending government schools”

At Item 2.3, the IEU argued that

“…in comparison to the funding of government schools, there is a considerable shortfall in the funding of non-government schools with students with disabilities from Federal and State/Territory government sources in recurrent and capital funding …”

Both the CEC and the IEU offered similar recommendations that funding for special needs services be provided on a per student basis regardless of sector.

In each case the assertions ignore the generous contribution special needs in public schools makes to the recurrent funding of non-government schools. Their recommendations would result in a reduction in the total funding of non-government schools by about $75 million a year.


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Greens NSW MP John Kaye said: “Independent and Catholic schools receive more public money per special needs student than public schools. They just fail to spend it where it was intended.

“The private school lobby has conveniently hidden the $400 million that flows through to their schools in recurrent funding from the state and federal governments because of money spent on public school students with special needs.

“With a far smaller proposition of students with special needs in non-government schools than in the public system, this money could provide more resources than are available to an equivalent student in a public school. It is the Catholic and Independent school sectors that choose to spend that money elsewhere.

“Non-government schools are taking public funds that should have been spent on disabled children and using them to increase resources available for all other students. It might boost their enrolments but it is yet another abuse of the public funding of private schools.

“If there is a resource gap for children with special needs in private education, then our analysis shows it is because non-government schools and systems are spending public funds elsewhere.

“Each year Independent and Catholic schools in NSW receive at least $75 million more than they would if their disabled and leaning difficulty students were funded on the same basis as public school students. That money could be used to employ 830 new special needs teachers in public schools where they are desperately needed.

“The private school lobby argues that their disabilities students receive far less funding than those in public schools. This is wrong. Our analysis shows that on the most conservative assumptions, it is public school children with special needs who are getting less money.

“The Upper House Inquiry has been badly mislead by evidence from the Independent and Catholic schools lobby groups. State and federal funding in NSW is greater per student in non-government schools than it is public education.

“It is time to break the myth. These groups should amend their submissions to reflect the massive amount of money they receive through per capita grants because of students with a disability in public schools.

“The urgent case for more money for disabled and learning difficulties students in public schools is being distracted by misleading claims from the non-government education sector,” Dr Kaye said.

For more information: John Kaye 0407 195 455

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Reply #77 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 1:25pm
 

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Reply #78 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 1:33pm
 
Equitist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 1:25pm:


This doesn't only happen in private schools. It happens in all schools where there is a heavy emphasis on excellent results in the HSC. I went to a public school, and I can bet that at least maybe a quarter of my year claimed special considerations.
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Reply #79 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 1:47pm
 

Hlysnan wrote on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 1:33pm:
Equitist wrote on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 1:25pm:


This doesn't only happen in private schools. It happens in all schools where there is a heavy emphasis on excellent results in the HSC. I went to a public school, and I can bet that at least maybe a quarter of my year claimed special considerations.



I do not necessarily dispute your personal experiences, Jeimi - but here's some of the broader facts: -


http://www.smh.com.au/national/hsc-help-most-often-for-private-students-20091217...

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ANNA PATTY EDUCATION EDITOR

December 18, 2009

ALMOST 42 per cent of students at one private school received special allowances in this year's Higher School Certificate exams - almost eight times higher than the average proportion at public schools.

Twenty-five private schools - including Reddam House, Scots College, Masada College, Frensham, Cranbrook and SCEGGS - received special consideration for their HSC students at more than twice the rate of public schools.

Independent schools continued to received the disproportionately higher rates of special provisions compared with public school students despite the State Government's review of the system last year.

The provisions granted include Braille papers, large print papers, use of a reader and/or writer, and extra time or rest breaks for conditions including emotional and physical disabilities.

At Glenaeon Rudolf Steiner School, Middle Cove, 41.7 per cent of students claimed special provisions this year compared to 18.2 per cent last year. The school climbed 109 places to 269th position in the Herald's list of top HSC performers this year.

Reddam House in Bondi, which was ranked seventh, compared with 54th last year, claimed special provisions for 14.3 per cent of its HSC students this year, compared with 11.5 per cent last year.

A NSW Greens analysis of government figures shows that the NSW Board of Studies granted special provisions for this year's HSC examinations to 9.5 per cent of students at independent schools[/highlight], 7.6 per cent of students at Catholic Schools and 5.3 per cent of students at public schools.

The proportion of students with a disability at government schools is 4.8 per cent, almost double the 2.6 per cent at private schools, according to the latest available figures from the Bureau of Statistics.

The NSW Greens MP John Kaye said while special examination provisions were a vital part of providing ''a fair go for many students sitting the HSC, wealthy private schools are getting much more than their fair share'' despite the State Government's claims to have investigated the matter last year.

''The integrity of the state's most important public exam is at stake,'' Dr Kaye said. ''Students giving it their best shot have a right to know that they competed on a level playing field.''

The chairman of Glenaeon Rudolf Steiner School's management group, Andrew Hill, said students at the school were not gaining an unfair advantage. He said a large proportion of students who claimed special provisions this year had anxiety problems and a small proportion had special needs. Students who suffered from anxiety were given additional exam time to rest.

The executive director from the Association of Independent Schools NSW, Geoff Newcombe, said the system did not aim to provide advantage. ''It is aimed at correcting disadvantage.''

Schools granted a high proportion of special provisions last year, as highlighted by the Herald, have significantly reduced their requests this year.

At MLC School in Burwood, the proportion of students granted special provisions this year was 6.9 per cent compared to 17.3 per cent last year, while at The King’s School in Parramatta, the rate decreased from 18.2 per cent last year to 8.3 per cent.

The proportion of Meriden School students who received special provisions was 17.6 per cent last year and 8 per cent this year.

At the Presbyterian Ladies College in Croydon, the proportion has dropped from 17.4 per cent last year to 8.3 per cent this year and at Oxley college in Bowral from 29.5 per cent to 21.1 per cent.



Apparently, parents of private school kids produce disproportionately-inferior and/or anxious 'disabled' kids (or so their parents/schools reckon)...

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Reply #80 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 1:56pm
 

Here's a subsequent article, from the same source: -


http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/private-schools-hsc-rort/2008/12/28/12303990...

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Anna Patty Education Editor

December 29, 2008

UP TO 30 per cent of students at some elite private schools were given "special consideration" in this year's Higher School Certificate exams, raising questions about whether they gained an unfair advantage.

The NSW Board of Studies granted dispensations such as extra time to complete exams, coloured paper, large print and Braille or assistance with handwriting. The claims ranged from students with disabilities and illnesses such as diabetes, to those with unreadable handwriting and sweaty palms.

The proportion of students claiming special exam provisions this year jumped by more than 10 percentage points compared with the previous three years at schools including Masada College in St Ives, St Catherine's School, Waverley; Glenaeon Rudolf Steiner School in Middle Cove and Meriden School in Strathfield.

The Scots College in Bellevue Hill claimed special provisions for 24.54 per cent of its students, an 8.64 percentage point increase on its average of 15.9 per cent for 2005 to 2007.

The statewide average for NSW public schools has grown from 6.35 per cent to 6.57 per cent over the same period.

In May, the Herald reported that the eastern suburbs private school Reddam House won special consideration for 36 per cent of its HSC students in 2006 - almost six times the state average. This year, the school claimed dispensations for 21.7 per cent of its students.

Masada College claimed the highest proportion of special provisions with 29.5 per cent.

The figures were provided in response to a question by the Greens MP John Kaye, who said they raised questions about "rorting" of the Board of Studies' special assistance provisions.

This year 25 of the state's private schools had claimed special provisions at a rate that was more than twice the average claimed by public schools.

"Special exam provisions are an important mechanism to remove some of the barriers faced by HSC students with special needs," Dr Kaye said.

"However, the figures show that the number of wealthy private schools that are potentially rorting the system is growing.

"It is hard to believe that the proportion of HSC students genuinely deserving special provisions at 25 of the state's wealthiest private schools is more than twice the statewide average.


"Almost a quarter of Scots College's 160 HSC candidates received a special deal in this year's HSC, which cannot be explained as a statistical anomaly."

A spokeswoman for the Board of Studies said each application for special examination provisions was judged rigorously, and numbers fluctuated year to year. She said that from a sample of 45 schools the board analysed from this year's HSC, about half had fewer special exam provisions granted than they had last year. "Special examination provisions are designed to provide access to the exam for students with a disability so they can demonstrate what they know and can do."

The Herald tried to contact some of the heads of schools mentioned in this article, but the calls were not returned.

In May the principal of Masada College, Wendy Barel, told the Herald she was surprised by the figures for 2005-07.

"We just fulfil the requirements set out by the Board of Studies - occupational therapy, doctors' certificates and so on - and send in the applications. It's up to the board to assess them," Ms Barel said.

The principal of Reddam House, Graeme Crawford, said in May that teachers at the school worked closely with individual students and were well placed to identify any potential need for them to apply for special consideration.

"The teachers become very fine-tuned to any disability that may hinder a child's performance," he said. "We have a small cohort which drives up the percentage of special provisions."

Mr Crawford said applications covered illness, injuries and writing difficulties.



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Reply #81 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 2:22pm
 
Equitist wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 10:17pm:
Cyberman wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 10:12pm:
The best teachers go where the money is.


You are aware, aren't you, that private schools generally pay less than public schools!?

As it happens, the same applies to all-but the top escelons in private hospitals, aged facilites and child handling centres...


Still waiting for for you to back your assertion Comrade Meekest
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Reply #82 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 3:05pm
 
||Bollox!

I have previously shown you Year 12 educational outcome stats, which belie your assertion!||

every list of year 12 honours is filled with private school students and every report Ive seen on academic outcomes has shown the significant superiority of privatae eductaion. would you care to show a report that is different?
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Reply #83 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 8:45pm
 
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As for the claim. that the removal of Govt private school subsidies, would result in as much as 50% or 2/3 of all kids being pulled out of private schools and plopped into the public ones - are you guys serious!?


I did not make that claim. Rather, I was merely pointing out that based on the funding comparison given earlier, that that many would have to leave the private system for the impact on government revenue to be neutral, rather than the assertion that only one outcome is possible. It's simple maths, nothing more.

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To that, I say: bollox - because most people who send their kids to private schools do because of strong ideological and/or elitist dispositions...


Another way of putting it is that they just want to best possible education for their children.
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Reply #84 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 10:12pm
 
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Cyberman wrote on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 2:22pm:
Equitist wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 10:17pm:
Cyberman wrote on Jul 21st, 2010 at 10:12pm:
The best teachers go where the money is.


You are aware, aren't you, that private schools generally pay less than public schools!?

As it happens, the same applies to all-but the top escelons in private hospitals, aged facilites and child handling centres...


Still waiting for for you to back your assertion Comrade Meekest

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Reply #85 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 10:22pm
 
Well as I am not afraid to admit when I'm wrong, today I heard that the rebate WILL be means tested and linked to family tax benift A

Income test

For Family Tax Benefit Part A, if your family's actual annual family income[1] for this financial year is $45,114 or less, your payment will not be affected by the income test.

If your actual annual family income is more than $45,114 for this financial year, your payment will reduce by 20 cents for each dollar above $45,114 until your payment reaches the base rate of Family Tax Benefit Part A.

Your Family Tax Benefit Part A will stay at that rate until your actual annual family income reaches $94,316 a year (plus $3,796 for each Family Tax Benefit child after the first). Family Tax Benefit Part A will reduce by 30 cents for every dollar over that amount until your payment reaches nil.

If you get more than the base rate of Family Tax Benefit A, a maintenance income test[2] may also apply.


As long as rebates/benefits are means tested I don't really have a problem with them.
30% health rebate should be the next to fall under this prerequisate.
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Reply #86 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 10:34pm
 
I wonder if Comrade Meekist can be so gracious? I have been waiting a while for his promised delivery yet he has been strangely silent.

I said that the best teachers will go where the money is. I am happy to admit if I am wrong.

Someone made the assertion that the public sector unionised teaching realm is where the money is. Will they be man enough to produce, admit they made an assumption that supported their agenda or slink away in the hope this subject will go away and not remind them of their lack of stones  Wink
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Reply #87 - Jul 22nd, 2010 at 10:49pm
 

Cyberman wrote on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 10:34pm:
I wonder if Comrade Meekist can be so gracious? I have been waiting a while for his promised delivery yet he has been strangely silent.

I said that the best teachers will go where the money is. I am happy to admit if I am wrong.

Someone made the assertion that the public sector unionised teaching realm is where the money is. Will they be man enough to produce, admit they made an assumption that supported their agenda or slink away in the hope this subject will go away and not remind them of their lack of stones  Wink


LOL...I'm back - time is no longer one's own once one has become a parent-cum-27/4taxi...

I haven't forgotten my obligation to provide evidence to support my assertions about teachers specifically, I just haven't managed to find the original article/report that was posted previously on Yahoo...yet...
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Take all the time you need.

I'll be waiting. Ready to bring your lack of substance up should you fail to produce.

Don't take it personally, just be sure you don't make unqualified assumptions to support your agenda in the future.  Wink
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Reply #89 - Jul 23rd, 2010 at 12:41pm
 

Cyberman wrote on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 11:03pm:
Take all the time you need.

I'll be waiting. Ready to bring your lack of substance up should you fail to produce.

Don't take it personally, just be sure you don't make unqualified assumptions to support your agenda in the future.  Wink



LOL, I don't take myself all that seriously and I have thick skin (not as thick as reptillian right whingers tho'!)...

However, I now know why my search for those old Yahoo posts was futile: -

http://au.messages.yahoo.com/news/politics/831891/

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