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Reply #90 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 9:40am
 
That's nicely convenient that your non-existent 'proof' has disappeared. it really is quite simple. staff go to where the best conditions (including salary) are. and they are FLOODING to the private sector for reasons that are blindingly obvious to everyone but you.
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Reply #91 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:07am
 

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 9:40am:
That's nicely convenient that your non-existent 'proof' has disappeared. it really is quite simple. staff go to where the best conditions (including salary) are. and they are FLOODING to the private sector for reasons that are blindingly obvious to everyone but you.


LOL...notwithstanding, that I have already proved the false assertions of you and your fellow right whingers, that STUDENTS had been FLOODING to private schools to result in 2/3 of school students in private educaton (the truth being the inverse), you persist in complaining that I am yet to provide proof that staff in the public sector are generally better paid than their private sector counterparts...

At the risk of stating the obvious, I note that: to date, none of you right whingers have been able to establish otherwise...

I shall continue to look for proof - but feel free to present evidence that contradicts my assertions, or kindly STFU...

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Reply #92 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:14am
 
Equitist wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:07am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 9:40am:
That's nicely convenient that your non-existent 'proof' has disappeared. it really is quite simple. staff go to where the best conditions (including salary) are. and they are FLOODING to the private sector for reasons that are blindingly obvious to everyone but you.


LOL...notwithstanding, that I have already proved the false assertions of you and your fellow right whingers, that STUDENTS had been FLOODING to private schools to result in 2/3 of school students in private educaton (the truth being the inverse), you persist in complaining that I am yet to provide proof that staff in the public sector are generally better paid than their private sector counterparts...

At the risk of stating the obvious, I note that: to date, none of you right whingers have been able to establish otherwise...

I shall continue to look for proof - but feel free to present evidence that contradicts my assertions, or kindly STFU...



Ive already admitted that my 2/3 should have read 1/3, but by your own proof and admission students ARE flooding to the private sector. and why should we have to somehow prove to your satisfaction that which is blatantly obvious nad intuitive? your ridiculous claim has no proof and no logical backing either. after all it sounds patently STUPID that teachers would flood in vast numbers away from the 'better paid' public system into the private system.
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Reply #93 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:19am
 

Meanwhile, back at Lib HQ...I've received this email...

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Dear [Subscriber]

A Coalition Government will improve and expand the existing Education Tax Rebate.

As the table below highlights, the Coalition’s rebate will offer greater assistance to parents and ease the pressure on family budgets.





For full details of our policy click http://www.email.swordcdc.com/t/r/l/myhgt/yuuydtlhl/d.

Don't forget that there's lots of ways you can get involved and help in this election:

we hope you’ll tell your friends about how we'll assist families;
you can become a friend on Facebook or follow us on Twitter; and
you can donate to help us spread this message further.



LIBERAL PARTY OF AUSTRALIA

Authorised by Brian Loughnane for the Liberal Party of Australia
Cnr Blackall & Macquarie Streets, Barton ACT 2600 





I note that the LibLabs are BOTH careful NOT to detail the means-testing arrangments that may or may not to apply to the respective promised changes...
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Reply #94 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:23am
 
and thus enters yet another nemesis issue - meanstesting. because govt is about hurting high earners and cushioning low earners from the results of their failures.
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Reply #95 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:37am
 

Hmmnnn...the above pretty table references "per primary/secondary school child" - but there is no mention of any means-testing per se...

The linked Lib site does not disclose any means-testing eitherer - it just mentions eligible families/parents (nor does it contain the same pretty table)...

http://www.liberal.org.au/Latest-News/2010/07/21/Real-action-to-help-families-me...

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     Real action to help families meet school costs

     21/07/10

     A Coalition government will improve and expand the existing Education Tax Rebate to help families with the costs of their children’s education and help ease pressure on family budgets.

     An additional $760 million over the forward estimates will be committed to increasing the amount of the rebate for primary and secondary students and significantly expanding the type of expenses that can be claimed.

     For primary students, we will increase the rebate to up to $500 per year per child in primary school. Eligible families will be able to claim a 50 per cent rebate for up to $1,000 of eligible education-related expenses for each child in primary school.

     For secondary school students, we will increase the rebate to up to $1,000 per year per child. Eligible families will be able to claim a 50 per cent rebate for up to $2,000 of education-related expenses for each child in secondary school.

     We will also expand the types of expenses to which the rebate will apply. Under the Coalition, eligible expenses will include:
         o School fees
         o School camps and excursions
         o Special education costs for children with disabilities, like dyslexia
         o Extra-curricular activities such as music, dance or drama lessons
         o Tutoring costs
         o Musical instruments required for lessons
         o School photos
         o Sporting fees and equipment

     The expanded rebate will commence on 1 January 2011 which means that eligible parents will be able to claim the rebate for expenses incurred for the next school year.

     Uptake of the Rudd-Gillard Government’s scheme has been poor because it is too narrowly focussed. Labor excluded school fees from the rebate, despite the fact that school fees represent a significant financial burden for parents.

     Labor has also failed to properly implement their rebate, which has meant eligible parents have missed out on $1.6 billion of assistance they were originally promised over four years to 2012-13.

     Labor’s recent extension of the Rebate to cover school uniform costs is welcome, but this rebate extension won’t even start until the 2011-12 financial year meaning parents will not see any money back in their pockets for at least two years. This is too little too late for families who have struggled to meet these costs for the last three years.

     Labor just doesn’t get it when it comes to delivering real action and practical assistance to families battling cost of living pressures.

     Australian families work hard to give their children the best possible start in life through a quality education. The Coalition will support parent’s choice about the education of their children by directly helping to ease the pressure on their family budget.

     The Coalition’s Education Tax Rebate is real action and if elected, starts in time for the new school year.

     This funding will be provided from the nearly $24 billion in recurrent savings that have been identified by the Coalition over the forward estimates. These are savings from cutting Labor’s waste and mismanagement and redirecting funding from inefficient and poorly performing Labor Government programmes.
           
LABOR’S REBATE
     
         o Can claim 50% rebate for up to $780 per primary school child  (= $390)

         o Can claim 50% rebate for up to $1558 per secondary school child  (= $779)
   
     Total for family with one primary school student and one secondary school student: $1169


THE COALITION REBATE
     
         o Can claim 50% rebate for up to $1000 per primary school child (= $500)
           
         o Can claim 50% rebate for up to $2000 per secondary school child  (= $1000)

     Total for family with one primary school student and one secondary school student: $1500


     Labor’s Eligible Expenses
         o Laptops
         o Home computers and associated costs
         o Home internet connection
         o Printers
         o Education software
         o School text books
         o School stationary
         o Uniforms
           

      Coalition’s Eligible Expenses
         o Laptops
         o Home computers and associated costs
         o Home internet connection
         o Printers
         o Education software
         o School text books
         o School stationery
         o Uniforms
         o Government and non-government school fees
         o Special education costs for children with disabilities, like dyslexia
         o Camps and excursions
         o Extra-curricular school activities, such as music, sports, dance and drama lessons
         o Tutoring costs
         o Musical instruments
         

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Reply #96 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:39am
 

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:23am:
and thus enters yet another nemesis issue - meanstesting. because govt is about hurting high earners and cushioning low earners from the results of their failures.


Are you suggesting, Longy, that the Libs are neglecting to disclose that they will no longer be means-testing the Rebate!?

Will they be means-testing it or not - and where is the proof either way!?

This is a current election issue - so one might reasonably expect to be able to readily find the proof - good luck with that!
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Reply #97 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:40am
 
so your only complaint is means-testing, despite the libs announcing that it WILL be means tested? do you have a single pragmatic position on anything or is every single opinion, belief and decision a purely ideological one?
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Reply #98 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:43am
 
||Income test

For Family Tax Benefit Part A, if your family's actual annual family income[1] for this financial year is $45,114 or less, your payment will not be affected by the income test.

If your actual annual family income is more than $45,114 for this financial year, your payment will reduce by 20 cents for each dollar above $45,114 until your payment reaches the base rate of Family Tax Benefit Part A.

Your Family Tax Benefit Part A will stay at that rate until your actual annual family income reaches $94,316 a year (plus $3,796 for each Family Tax Benefit child after the first). Family Tax Benefit Part A will reduce by 30 cents for every dollar over that amount until your payment reaches nil.

If you get more than the base rate of Family Tax Benefit A, a maintenance income test[2] may also apply.

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but feel free to assume it is a lie or not real or anything else to ensure that it fits in with your non-thinking dogma. in the meantime, the rest of us will use at least slightly open minds to assess the information given to us.
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Reply #99 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:44am
 
I would find it difficult to oppose this policy.

While I understand both sides of the argument I see no problem with giving the same set of rules to both private and public students in terms of tax benefit. (if it is affordable) I do think that Public schools should be looked after first in terms of direct public funding.

The government run the Public school system and should have a priority to funding their schools properly, anything they can give in support of private education after this is a good thing and well worth the expense.

My vested interest is that I have a daughter in private education and am also paying for music lessons on multiple instruments.

Note: I was happy to buy my daughter a Laptop while all Public students in NSW got one for free and do not mind paying the rather steep fees for her education.

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Reply #100 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:45am
 
I also see you are refusing to acknoweldge that students ARE flooding to private schools! at a rate of 8:1 in fact.

that must be inconvenient for your USSR-style socialist agenda.
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Reply #101 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:49am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:44am:
I would find it difficult to oppose this policy.

While I understand both sides of the argument I see no problem with giving the same set of rules to both private and public students in terms of tax benefit. (if it is affordable) I do think that Public schools should be looked after first in terms of direct public funding.

The government run the Public school system and should have a priority to funding their schools properly, anything they can give in support of private education after this is a good thing and well worth the expense.

My vested interest is that I have a daughter in private education and am also paying for music lessons on multiple instruments.

Note: I was happy to buy my daughter a Laptop while all Public students in NSW got one for free and do not mind paying the rather steep fees for her education.

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that's a well-reasoned position and one I would agree with 100% and ahve been in the same position when my kids were at private school. What I object to is the ranting and wailing that parents such as ourselves shoudl be punished for the 'audacity' to send our kids to private schools where they can get a superior education instead of using the 'wonderful' public system that can teach them pet care and bike maintenance and allow them to graduate with literally no ability to read and write beyond a 6yo level. My biggest beef with the geneuinely left-wing agenda is that 'personal choice' is opposed.
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Reply #102 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:54am
 

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:40am:
so your only complaint is means-testing, despite the libs announcing that it WILL be means tested? do you have a single pragmatic position on anything or is every single opinion, belief and decision a purely ideological one?


Actually, Longy, my complaint is that they haven't articulated the means-testing - rather they have sent a conveninently mixed message...

With their headline policy announcements, they have definitely implied that it will apply to all families of school students, with only a subtle mention of 'eligible families/parents' whilst carefully not spelling it out that means-testing will apply...
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Reply #103 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:58am
 

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Reply #104 - Jul 24th, 2010 at 11:00am
 
Equitist wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:54am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24th, 2010 at 10:40am:
so your only complaint is means-testing, despite the libs announcing that it WILL be means tested? do you have a single pragmatic position on anything or is every single opinion, belief and decision a purely ideological one?


Actually, Longy, my complaint is that they haven't articulated the means-testing - rather they have sent a conveninently mixed message...

With their headline policy announcements, they have definitely implied that it will apply to all families of school students, with only a subtle mention of 'eligible families/parents' whilst carefully not spelling it out that means-testing will apply...


I really hope that means testing one day cuts you out of a benefit you deserve all because your income exceeded an arbitrary limit with no reference to your personal cirucmstances or committments. perhaps then you will understand some of the anger at means-testing and its ideological application.

firstly, the rebate WILL be means-tested and has been detailed now TWICE in this thread as to how that will happen. but you ideologically blinded eyes obviously cannot read it. so once again we have policy dismissed by you on one issue alone - means-testing. Im sure that if there was a 100% cure for cancer you would deny govt subsidy to anyone but the poor. your ideology could blind you to absolutely anything - and it clearly does exactly that.
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