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Reply #90 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 7:35am
 
Bob could you please start a new thread about the LDP? I am interested in hearing more about them.
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Reply #91 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 11:36am
 
^ Would that go in this forum or 'Politicians Suck'?
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Reply #92 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 11:41am
 

BobH wrote on Aug 1st, 2010 at 11:36am:
^ Would that go in this forum or 'Politicians Suck'?


IM(not-so)HO: definitely the latter - but the Mods ultimately decide about the most apt forum for all threads and move them as and when they deem fit...
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Reply #93 - Aug 1st, 2010 at 11:46am
 
Yes, the politicians suck board would be the appropriate one.
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Reply #94 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 12:08pm
 

Meantime, back in the campaign circus...the LibLabs are accusing each other of an agenda to increase the rate of GST...

http://www.liberal.org.au/Latest-News/2010/08/11/Swan-has-the-form-to-increase-G...

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Swan has the form to increase GST

11/08/10

In making false accusations regarding GST increases today, Wayne Swan is again trying to muddy the waters to deflect attention away from his own appalling track record on increasing taxes.

The Coalition absolutely and categorically rules out any increase whatsoever in the GST

By suggesting otherwise, Wayne Swan has again demonstrated his increasing desperation.

Labor is truly the party of increased taxes as confirmed by its great big mining tax, plans to introduce a carbon tax and tax slugs on cigarettes, alcohol, tobacco, passports and the list goes on.

Wayne Swan is always on the lookout for new ways of taxing Australians in order to help fund Labor’s out-of-control spending, which has produced a $57 billion deficit and a $90 billion debt.

These are numbers that Wayne Swan refuses to discuss because they represent his appalling track record.

If anyone is likely to increase the GST it is the Gillard government.



I hereby wager that it will be the Libs who increase this inherently-regressive tax - in order to cut high-end taxes for the elite and incorporated!

They will do so at the first opportunity - either when the majority of States are Lib and/or the Federal Libs can confect an excuse under false economic pretenses...

The most obvious pretenses being: GFC and imaginary high Federal Deficits and Debt...

The Labs have recently demonstrated their propensity towards progressive taxation and welfare measures (ergo proposed Resources Tax Superannuation increases and ETS) - unlike the libs, who dogmatically favour recklessly counter-productive elite and corporate tax cuts and reverse-means-tested WEALTHfare measures!

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Re: Progressive Taxation: Back to the Future
Reply #95 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 12:31pm
 
Equitist wrote on Aug 12th, 2010 at 12:08pm:
Meantime, back in the campaign circus...the LibLabs are accusing each other of an agenda to increase the rate of GST...

http://www.liberal.org.au/Latest-News/2010/08/11/Swan-has-the-form-to-increase-G...

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Swan has the form to increase GST

11/08/10

In making false accusations regarding GST increases today, Wayne Swan is again trying to muddy the waters to deflect attention away from his own appalling track record on increasing taxes.

The Coalition absolutely and categorically rules out any increase whatsoever in the GST

By suggesting otherwise, Wayne Swan has again demonstrated his increasing desperation.

Labor is truly the party of increased taxes as confirmed by its great big mining tax, plans to introduce a carbon tax and tax slugs on cigarettes, alcohol, tobacco, passports and the list goes on.

Wayne Swan is always on the lookout for new ways of taxing Australians in order to help fund Labor’s out-of-control spending, which has produced a $57 billion deficit and a $90 billion debt.

These are numbers that Wayne Swan refuses to discuss because they represent his appalling track record.

If anyone is likely to increase the GST it is the Gillard government.



I hereby wager that it will be the Libs who increase this inherently-regressive tax - in order to cut high-end taxes for the elite and incorporated!

They will do so at the first opportunity - either when the majority of States are Lib and/or the Federal Libs can confect an excuse under false economic pretenses...

The most obvious pretenses being: GFC and imaginary high Federal Deficits and Debt...

The Labs have recently demonstrated their propensity towards progressive taxation and welfare measures (ergo proposed Resources Tax Superannuation increases and ETS) - unlike the libs, who dogmatically favour recklessly counter-productive elite and corporate tax cuts and reverse-means-tested WEALTHfare measures!



Whilst I think you are correct that the Liberals would introduce measures that would favour those who they see as their constituents, similar could be said for Labor.

That said, the Libs would most likely go into regressive tax measures that would reduce the Publics Disposable income, and that would have the effect of drastically reducing Consumer Demand, at absolutely the wrong time.

The UK Conservatives have already started down that line and it would be "in the Liberal genes" for them to do something similar here!  
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Re: Progressive Taxation: Back to the Future
Reply #96 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 12:44pm
 

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 12th, 2010 at 12:31pm:
That said, the Libs would most likely go into regressive tax measures that would reduce the Publics Disposable income, and that would have the effect of drastically reducing Consumer Demand, at absolutely the wrong time.

The UK Conservatives have already started down that line and it would be "in the Liberal genes" for them to do something similar here!  


It is truly scary, that most born-to-rule Conservative types arrogantly claim to be superior economic managers, yet they are inherently lacking in the capacity for lateral and creative thought...

They tend to be dogmatic elitists, who worship the almighty Mickey Mouse Monopoly dollar and the Growth Fairy at all costs - and ignore complex psycho-social and environmental limitations and multiplier effects - and therefore their counter-intuitive policies are dangerously linear, draconian, divisive and counter-productive...
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Reply #97 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 1:05pm
 


They tend to be dogmatic elitists, who worship the almighty Mickey Mouse Monopoly dollar and the Growth Fairy at all costs - and ignore complex psycho-social and environmental limitations and multiplier effects - and therefore their counter-intuitive policies are dangerously linear, draconian, divisive and counter-productive...
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oh my god what a load WANK

THY    do you really believe anyone takes any notice of that crap if anyone does. they would be in a minority


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Re: Progressive Taxation: Back to the Future
Reply #98 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 1:13pm
 

bwood1946 wrote on Aug 12th, 2010 at 1:05pm:
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They tend to be dogmatic elitists, who worship the almighty Mickey Mouse Monopoly dollar and the Growth Fairy at all costs - and ignore complex psycho-social and environmental limitations and multiplier effects - and therefore their counter-intuitive policies are dangerously linear, draconian, divisive and counter-productive...


oh my god what a load WANK

THY    do you really believe anyone takes any notice of that crap if anyone does. they would be in a minority

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Well...actually...all criticisms of my writing style aside...

I am concerned that far too few people are seriously looking at the crucial underlying big picture issues that face humanity into the medium and longer term - and I maintain that time will validate my concerns!

I also hope that you live long enough to admit (to yourself) your own folly in underestimating such important matters...

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Reply #99 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 1:25pm
 

Crikey, check this out: -

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business-sa-calls-for-tough-action/story-e6frea6u-...

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Business SA calls for tough action

   * Christopher Russell, Businnes Editor
   * From: The Advertiser
   * August 06, 2010 6:09PM

THE incoming Federal Government should starve the states of GST revenue until they scrap irritating and inefficient fees and taxes which discourage investment and employment, the state's peak employer group says.

Issuing a landmark report today making 40 policy recommendations to federal politicians, Business SA chief executive Peter Vaughan called for bold leadership.

"One of the problems with the election campaign is nobody is talking about a vision," he said.

"Everybody's trying to shrink us into the smallest ball possible.

"Good decisions and leadership are not made out of being frightened.

"There's nothing to be frightened about.

"We should be joyful and glad that we're in Australia and what we in Business SA are proposing though our Top 40 would make Australia the envy of the world."

Both major parties intended to increase the burden on business, a move than would crush employment growth, he said.

The Business SA recommendations cover a range of issues from taxation through water and energy to workplace relations.

These include calls to:

   * REVERSE the plan to force employers to pay for an increase in superannuation.

   * SCRAP the idea of making employers pay a parental leave levy and either have the Commonwealth fund it as a public good or introduce a HECS-style loan system for workers to pay for it themselves.

   * BE decisive about carbon pricing because delaying the debate will drive up electricity prices.

   * EMBRACE nuclear energy as a fuel to mitigate against climate-change with gas-fired power stations encouraged in the medium term while nuclear and renewables are built up.

   * SEIZE control of the entire Murray Darling Basin from the states and increase the powers of the basin authority but force it to be accountable and transparent.

   * REFORM workplace relations to be attuned to the modern world including flexibility to negotiate on conditions such as time for family, study or other outside interests.

"The reason this document is being put forward representing the views of thousands and thousands of businesses is because throughout this whole campaign, irrespective of which political party you turn to, there has been a substantial lack of vision and leadership about the future of this country," Mr Vaughan said.

While the Business SA document originated from a state-based organisation, the recommendations were based on national research and themes.

Business SA felt compelled to act because so much of the campaign had been about personalities instead of policies.

"No one is standing up saying here is the vision, this is what needs to happen, yes, we're a good nation but we can be a great one if we attend to these issues," Mr Vaughan said.

"This is far more important than personalities; this is the future of our country."

The Business SA document will be sent to all major political parties to seek their response to the 40 recommendations.

One of the issues needing vision was population, with Mr Vaughan concerned debate had been hijacked by fear-mongering over asylum seekers.

"We are a rich, First World country and we can be the jewel in the Pacific," he said.

"This is the era for Australia because we're perfectly positioned in the Pacific Basin between India and China.

"This country could have substantially more people as long as we create the nation-building things that go with it."

Business SA supports a population target of at least two million for the state, with a continued strong intake of skilled migrants.

In Business SA's view, migrants such as wine marketer Ava Huang benefit the state.

A Chinese national, Ms Huang studied business administration at Guangdong University of Technology before enrolling at the University of Adelaide where she graduated with masters in wine business and in commerce as well as obtaining a professional certificate in international trade.

She now works for Setanta Wines in the Adelaide Hills.

"Due to cultural and language barriers, there is a huge gap between Australian wineries and Chinese wine buyers," she said.

"The two parties need someone who can understand both the market and language to help them find a perfect match."

While US and European wine markets have slumped, Australian wine exports to China have grown from $21 million in 2005-06 to $140 million in 2009-10.



It is truly scary to read, that this is the mentality of the powerful Big Business Union puppeteers of the Liberal Party...


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Reply #100 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 2:33pm
 
Equitist wrote on Aug 12th, 2010 at 1:25pm:
Crikey, check this out: -

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business-sa-calls-for-tough-action/story-e6frea6u-...

Quote:
Business SA calls for tough action

   * Christopher Russell, Businnes Editor
   * From: The Advertiser
   * August 06, 2010 6:09PM

THE incoming Federal Government should starve the states of GST revenue until they scrap irritating and inefficient fees and taxes which discourage investment and employment, the state's peak employer group says.

Issuing a landmark report today making 40 policy recommendations to federal politicians, Business SA chief executive Peter Vaughan called for bold leadership.

"One of the problems with the election campaign is nobody is talking about a vision," he said.

"Everybody's trying to shrink us into the smallest ball possible.

"Good decisions and leadership are not made out of being frightened.

"There's nothing to be frightened about.

"We should be joyful and glad that we're in Australia and what we in Business SA are proposing though our Top 40 would make Australia the envy of the world."

Both major parties intended to increase the burden on business, a move than would crush employment growth, he said.

The Business SA recommendations cover a range of issues from taxation through water and energy to workplace relations.

These include calls to:

   * REVERSE the plan to force employers to pay for an increase in superannuation.

   * SCRAP the idea of making employers pay a parental leave levy and either have the Commonwealth fund it as a public good or introduce a HECS-style loan system for workers to pay for it themselves.

   * BE decisive about carbon pricing because delaying the debate will drive up electricity prices.

   * EMBRACE nuclear energy as a fuel to mitigate against climate-change with gas-fired power stations encouraged in the medium term while nuclear and renewables are built up.

   * SEIZE control of the entire Murray Darling Basin from the states and increase the powers of the basin authority but force it to be accountable and transparent.

   * REFORM workplace relations to be attuned to the modern world including flexibility to negotiate on conditions such as time for family, study or other outside interests.

"The reason this document is being put forward representing the views of thousands and thousands of businesses is because throughout this whole campaign, irrespective of which political party you turn to, there has been a substantial lack of vision and leadership about the future of this country," Mr Vaughan said.

While the Business SA document originated from a state-based organisation, the recommendations were based on national research and themes.

Business SA felt compelled to act because so much of the campaign had been about personalities instead of policies.

"No one is standing up saying here is the vision, this is what needs to happen, yes, we're a good nation but we can be a great one if we attend to these issues," Mr Vaughan said.

"This is far more important than personalities; this is the future of our country."

The Business SA document will be sent to all major political parties to seek their response to the 40 recommendations.

One of the issues needing vision was population, with Mr Vaughan concerned debate had been hijacked by fear-mongering over asylum seekers.

"We are a rich, First World country and we can be the jewel in the Pacific," he said.

"This is the era for Australia because we're perfectly positioned in the Pacific Basin between India and China.

"This country could have substantially more people as long as we create the nation-building things that go with it."

Business SA supports a population target of at least two million for the state, with a continued strong intake of skilled migrants.

In Business SA's view, migrants such as wine marketer Ava Huang benefit the state.

A Chinese national, Ms Huang studied business administration at Guangdong University of Technology before enrolling at the University of Adelaide where she graduated with masters in wine business and in commerce as well as obtaining a professional certificate in international trade.

She now works for Setanta Wines in the Adelaide Hills.

"Due to cultural and language barriers, there is a huge gap between Australian wineries and Chinese wine buyers," she said.

"The two parties need someone who can understand both the market and language to help them find a perfect match."

While US and European wine markets have slumped, Australian wine exports to China have grown from $21 million in 2005-06 to $140 million in 2009-10.



It is truly scary to read, that this is the mentality of the powerful Big Business Union puppeteers of the Liberal Party...



THY quite think your friend Christopher Russell has gone too far    Grin
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