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Reply #30 - Jul 27th, 2010 at 8:18am
 
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Trouble is that you would only vote Liberal if it smelled, looked and tasted like the Labor party. Why would we want to do that


The Libs today are nothing like the Libs under Menzies Holt Gorton or Fraser, the lying little rodent took the party so Roll Eyes far to the right , tards like you think this is the norm, but thanks for showing us all how ill informed you are.
You nearly give Iamabigirlsblouse a run for her money. Roll Eyes
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Reply #31 - Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:02am
 
skippy. wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 8:13am:
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The above mentioned reasons are why YOU are considered a JOKE on here Skippy.


Thanks Iamacat, but you take the medal, you're considered a joke on every forum, that you're not banned from that is.


I only get banned because fairies like YOU can't handle a little abuse so you hit the mummy button. How would you cope if we had a debate in a pub, who would you run to then you little punce?

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Reply #32 - Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:06am
 


**** TIME OUT, CHILDREN ****


(Hint, hint....)

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Reply #33 - Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:13am
 
Equitist wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:06am:
**** TIME OUT, CHILDREN ****


(Hint, hint....)




No F_ck him Nem, the bloke is an annoying little punce who'd get his head ripped off in a pub debate.

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Reply #34 - Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:35am
 
iamtheman012 wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:13am:
Equitist wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:06am:
**** TIME OUT, CHILDREN ****


(Hint, hint....)




No F_ck him Nem, the bloke is an annoying little punce who'd get his head ripped off in a pub debate.

Angry

LOL, temper temper sweetie. Huh
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Reply #35 - Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:38am
 
After seeing the waste of the BER scheme, its not hard to see how people do pay more under labor.

$1,005,000 for a school hall that is 14x12, you have to be kidding me.

I dont oppose the BER, I oppose the waste.  They could have had 3 buildings for that.
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Reply #36 - Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:45am
 
Verge wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:38am:
After seeing the waste of the BER scheme, its not hard to see how people do pay more under labor.

$1,005,000 for a school hall that is 14x12, you have to be kidding me.

I dont oppose the BER, I oppose the waste.  They could have had 3 buildings for that.


I think that is most peoples opinion too. the BER is a good program but everythign costs 3 times as much as it should and some things are built that simply have no justification.
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Reply #37 - Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:59am
 

If one wants to talk about Govt waste, then they should really look at the massive policy failures that the Libs badly let us down with - not just in nominal values but also in terms of costs-benefits and opportunity costs...

Their reverse-means-tested Superannuation Tax Concession scams alone totally dwarf the BER in terms of fiscal madness...

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/tax-concessions-fiscal-madness-academic/2006...

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Tax concessions fiscal madness: academic

Adele Horin

July 8, 2006

THE Federal Government's huge tax concessions for superannuation mainly benefit high-income men and will soon cost as much as the total expenditure on the age pension, an economist says.

Rhonda Sharp, a professor at the Hawke Research Institute at the University of South Australia, told the feminist economics conference at the University of Sydney that Australia's retirement incomes policy was biased against women because it was linked to lifetime earnings in the workforce and associated tax concessions. "We are funding high-income men at an increasing cost to the public purse," Professor Sharp said.

The new tax concessions would exacerbate gender inequalities, contrary to the Treasurer, Peter Costello's earlier statement that he wanted to "create the most female-friendly environment in the world".

Female baby boomers will spend 35 per cent less time in paid employment than their male counterparts because of family responsibilities, and will earn on average less than men, she said.

A Federal Government report this week showed women in the forseeable future will accrue half the superannuation of men.

Professor Sharp said the push towards private provision of retirement income was based on fears of the ageing population.

It was argued that as baby boomers retired, the cost of the age pension to the Government would be unsupportable.

"The self-funded retiree is being held up as saving the Government a fortune," she said. However, tax concessions for super represented a large and growing amount of forgone revenue. Treasury's own estimates showed that before the 2006 budget the cost of superannuation tax concessions would be $19.3 billion, compared to $24.6 billion spent on the age pension.

"The cost of the tax concessions for superannuation could be expected to overtake the total cost of the government age pension within a few years," Professor Sharp said. Yet only 25 per cent of the pensionable-aged population, according to Treasury, was forecast to be self-funded retirees by 2050 - "It's fiscal madness."

Professor Sharp said New Zealand's universal superannuation scheme was women-friendly, providing 65 per cent of average weekly earnings to a retired couple, with the payment made separately to the spouses. It was not related to paid employment, and extra contributions were not given preferential tax treatment.



That was in 2006 - where the annual waste was approaching $20B and their subsequent 'Biggest Changes to Superannuation Ever' made matters far worse...

They were not the smartest, not the fairest, nor most cost-effective - just the smacking 'Biggest' - and those wasteful fools claimed to be good economic mangers - pffft!

If the Labs hadn't subsequently put caps on the benefits to high income earners, we would have much bigger Federal deficit and debt for right whingers to confect outrage over! smacking hypocrites!


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Reply #38 - Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:07am
 
Equitist wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:59am:
If one wants to talk about Govt waste, then they should really look at the massive policy failures that the Libs badly let us down with - not just in nominal values but also in terms of costs-benefits and opportunity costs...

Their reverse-means-tested Superannuation Tax Concession scams alone totally dwarf the BER in terms of fiscal madness...

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/tax-concessions-fiscal-madness-academic/2006...

Quote:
Tax concessions fiscal madness: academic

Adele Horin

July 8, 2006

THE Federal Government's huge tax concessions for superannuation mainly benefit high-income men and will soon cost as much as the total expenditure on the age pension, an economist says.

Rhonda Sharp, a professor at the Hawke Research Institute at the University of South Australia, told the feminist economics conference at the University of Sydney that Australia's retirement incomes policy was biased against women because it was linked to lifetime earnings in the workforce and associated tax concessions. "We are funding high-income men at an increasing cost to the public purse," Professor Sharp said.

The new tax concessions would exacerbate gender inequalities, contrary to the Treasurer, Peter Costello's earlier statement that he wanted to "create the most female-friendly environment in the world".

Female baby boomers will spend 35 per cent less time in paid employment than their male counterparts because of family responsibilities, and will earn on average less than men, she said.

A Federal Government report this week showed women in the forseeable future will accrue half the superannuation of men.

Professor Sharp said the push towards private provision of retirement income was based on fears of the ageing population.

It was argued that as baby boomers retired, the cost of the age pension to the Government would be unsupportable.

"The self-funded retiree is being held up as saving the Government a fortune," she said. However, tax concessions for super represented a large and growing amount of forgone revenue. Treasury's own estimates showed that before the 2006 budget the cost of superannuation tax concessions would be $19.3 billion, compared to $24.6 billion spent on the age pension.

"The cost of the tax concessions for superannuation could be expected to overtake the total cost of the government age pension within a few years," Professor Sharp said. Yet only 25 per cent of the pensionable-aged population, according to Treasury, was forecast to be self-funded retirees by 2050 - "It's fiscal madness."

Professor Sharp said New Zealand's universal superannuation scheme was women-friendly, providing 65 per cent of average weekly earnings to a retired couple, with the payment made separately to the spouses. It was not related to paid employment, and extra contributions were not given preferential tax treatment.



That was in 2006 - where the annual waste was approaching $20B and their subsequent 'Biggest Changes to Superannuation Ever' made matters far worse...

They were not the smartest, not the fairest, nor most cost-effective - just the smacking 'Biggest' - and those wasteful fools claimed to be good economic mangers - pffft!

If the Labs hadn't subsequently put caps on the benefits to high income earners, we would have much bigger Federal deficit and debt for right whingers to confect outrage over! smacking hypocrites!





same crap, different day. and as usual, it is not a financial argument that you are making primarily but a ideological one. you have a massive problem even with the CONCEPT of superanuation because it rewards people for their own efforts. if someone makes no effort to save for their retirement the super changes give them no advantage. But in your uber-socialist world, 'effort' is not a pre-requisite for advantage. the super changes are good and having had some recent dealings with universities and professors I have discovered that their understanding of the real world is small.
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Reply #39 - Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:11am
 
iamtheman012 wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:02am:
skippy. wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 8:13am:
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The above mentioned reasons are why YOU are considered a JOKE on here Skippy.


Thanks Iamacat, but you take the medal, you're considered a joke on every forum, that you're not banned from that is.


I only get banned because fairies like YOU can't handle a little abuse so you hit the mummy button. How would you cope if we had a debate in a pub, who would you run to then you little punce?

Cheesy


Sir, we are all fiends here. You are good man. I too like the pub to have nice coca cola and meet new punce.

Perhaps we can meet to debate in the pub, puce. I would like this very much.


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Reply #40 - Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:16am
 
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having had some recent dealings with universities and professors I have discovered that their understanding of the real world is small

Most people who have had an education that does not extend past high school think that.
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Reply #41 - Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:18am
 
skippy. wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:16am:
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having had some recent dealings with universities and professors I have discovered that their understanding of the real world is small

Most people who have had an education that does not extend past high school think that.


obviously YOU dont know too many academia-cloistered professors.
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Reply #42 - Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:24am
 

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:07am:
same crap, different day. and as usual, it is not a financial argument that you are making primarily but a ideological one. you have a massive problem even with the CONCEPT of superanuation because it rewards people for their own efforts. if someone makes no effort to save for their retirement the super changes give them no advantage. But in your uber-socialist world, 'effort' is not a pre-requisite for advantage. the super changes are good and having had some recent dealings with universities and professors I have discovered that their understanding of the real world is small.


Bollox, Bates - ye and me both know that I have previously stated why I support Superannuation in principle - but not to the extent that it becomes fiscally-reckless and effectively-exclusive pre-paid-pension WEALTHfare for the elite (who would never have been entitled to the aged pension and therefore were never going to be a drain on future national budgets) at the expense of the vast majority...

Keating's original altruistic plan was co-opted by Howard and Costello and totally bastardised under their cynical false flag waving of the Inter-Generational Report - which they knowingly-failed to address with their Superannuation changes, at great compounding nominal and opportunity costs to the nation...

There is no valid socio-economic justification for what Howard and Costello did with Superannuation - they set off a multi-billion dollar time bomb to produce the mother of all budget black holes - FACT!

Since then, they have been behaving like petty toddlers, bitching and moaning about relatively-minor policy failures of their far more fiscally responsible and altruistic successors...

Now, Bates, can you kindly stop projecting your own elitism and waving your own false flags, ta!?
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Reply #43 - Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:34am
 
Equitist wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:24am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:07am:
same crap, different day. and as usual, it is not a financial argument that you are making primarily but a ideological one. you have a massive problem even with the CONCEPT of superanuation because it rewards people for their own efforts. if someone makes no effort to save for their retirement the super changes give them no advantage. But in your uber-socialist world, 'effort' is not a pre-requisite for advantage. the super changes are good and having had some recent dealings with universities and professors I have discovered that their understanding of the real world is small.


Bollox, Bates - ye and me both know that I have previously stated why I support Superannuation in principle - but not to the extent that it becomes fiscally-reckless and effectively-exclusive pre-paid-pension WEALTHfare for the elite (who would never have been entitled to the aged pension and therefore were never going to be a drain on future national budgets) at the expense of the vast majority...

Keating's original altruistic plan was co-opted by Howard and Costello and totally bastardised under their cynical false flag waving of the Inter-Generational Report - which they knowingly-failed to address with their Superannuation changes, at great compounding nominal and opportunity costs to the nation...

There is no valid socio-economic justification for what Howard and Costello did with Superannuation - they set off a multi-billion dollar time bomb to produce the mother of all budget black holes - FACT!

Since then, they have been behaving like petty toddlers, bitching and moaning about relatively-minor policy failures of their far more fiscally responsible and altruistic successors...

Now, Bates, can you kindly stop projecting your own elitism and waving your own false flags, ta!?



The 'mother of all budget black holes'? based on what evidence? the fact that howard gave us zero debt, large surplus and put money aside in the future fund? interesting 'logic' you employ!
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Reply #44 - Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:41am
 

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:34am:
Equitist wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:24am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:07am:
same crap, different day. and as usual, it is not a financial argument that you are making primarily but a ideological one. you have a massive problem even with the CONCEPT of superanuation because it rewards people for their own efforts. if someone makes no effort to save for their retirement the super changes give them no advantage. But in your uber-socialist world, 'effort' is not a pre-requisite for advantage. the super changes are good and having had some recent dealings with universities and professors I have discovered that their understanding of the real world is small.


Bollox, Bates - ye and me both know that I have previously stated why I support Superannuation in principle - but not to the extent that it becomes fiscally-reckless and effectively-exclusive pre-paid-pension WEALTHfare for the elite (who would never have been entitled to the aged pension and therefore were never going to be a drain on future national budgets) at the expense of the vast majority...

Keating's original altruistic plan was co-opted by Howard and Costello and totally bastardised under their cynical false flag waving of the Inter-Generational Report - which they knowingly-failed to address with their Superannuation changes, at great compounding nominal and opportunity costs to the nation...

There is no valid socio-economic justification for what Howard and Costello did with Superannuation - they set off a multi-billion dollar time bomb to produce the mother of all budget black holes - FACT!

Since then, they have been behaving like petty toddlers, bitching and moaning about relatively-minor policy failures of their far more fiscally responsible and altruistic successors...

Now, Bates, can you kindly stop projecting your own elitism and waving your own false flags, ta!?



The 'mother of all budget black holes'? based on what evidence? the fact that howard gave us zero debt, large surplus and put money aside in the future fund? interesting 'logic' you employ!


I suggest, Bates, that you review the evidence on the STRUCTURAL DEFICIT trend impact of Superannuation Tax Concessions on the FY06, FY07, FY08, FY09, FY10 - and subsequent projections...

If the Labs had  not intervened to cap Howard and Costello's increasingly-massive Superannuation benefits to the elite, then there would have been much larger Federal Budget Deficits and Debt for you right whingers to hypocritically whinge about now - FACT!

So, kindly archive your false flags in your own family album!

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