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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Lib HQ: You'll keep paying more... Reply #45 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 11:49am Ah.. the old Structural Deficit fantasy explanation. it is 'the deficit you have when you arent having a deficit'!
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Reply #46 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 12:53pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 11:11am:

iamtheman012 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 10:02am:

skippy. wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 8:13am:

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The above mentioned reasons are why YOU are considered a JOKE on here Skippy.

Thanks Iamacat, but you take the medal, you're considered a joke on every forum, that you're not banned from that is.

I only get banned because fairies like YOU can't handle a little abuse so you hit the mummy button. How would you cope if we had a debate in a pub, who would you run to then you little punce?

Cheesy

Sir, we are all fiends here. You are good man. I too like the pub to have nice coca cola and meet new punce.

Perhaps we can meet to debate in the pub, puce. I would like this very much.

Sure thing sunshine, if you're in Sydney that can be arranged. FYI, i'm NOT a colour.

Grin

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Reply #47 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 1:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 11:49am:

Ah.. the old Structural Deficit fantasy explanation. it is 'the deficit you have when you arent having a deficit'!

I would think it is more a case of the deficit you have when you have geared the economy to be reliant on continuing to boom in order to keep the books balanced.

Committed spending is greater than income as soon as the economy slows.

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Reply #48 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 1:26pm

iamtheman012 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 12:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 11:11am:

iamtheman012 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 10:02am:

skippy. wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 8:13am:

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The above mentioned reasons are why YOU are considered a JOKE on here Skippy.

Thanks Iamacat, but you take the medal, you're considered a joke on every forum, that you're not banned from that is.

I only get banned because fairies like YOU can't handle a little abuse so you hit the mummy button. How would you cope if we had a debate in a pub, who would you run to then you little punce?

Cheesy

Sir, we are all fiends here. You are good man. I too like the pub to have nice coca cola and meet new punce.

Perhaps we can meet to debate in the pub, puce. I would like this very much.

Sure thing sunshine, if you're in Sydney that can be arranged. FYI, i'm NOT a colour.

Grin

Thank you, sir. I am very sorry for my meaning you are coloured. Please excuse me purse.

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Reply #49 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 1:36pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 1:26pm:

iamtheman012 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 12:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 11:11am:

iamtheman012 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 10:02am:

skippy. wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 8:13am:

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The above mentioned reasons are why YOU are considered a JOKE on here Skippy.

Thanks Iamacat, but you take the medal, you're considered a joke on every forum, that you're not banned from that is.

I only get banned because fairies like YOU can't handle a little abuse so you hit the mummy button. How would you cope if we had a debate in a pub, who would you run to then you little punce?

Cheesy

Sir, we are all fiends here. You are good man. I too like the pub to have nice coca cola and meet new punce.

Perhaps we can meet to debate in the pub, puce. I would like this very much.

Sure thing sunshine, if you're in Sydney that can be arranged. FYI, i'm NOT a colour.

Grin

Thank you, sir. I am very sorry for my meaning you are coloured. Please excuse me purse.

Nor am i a handbag. LOL.

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Reply #50 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 1:37pm

Yo Longy et al

The following extracts from a 2009 Brotherhood of St Lawrence Report provide a fairly good illustration of the extraordinary nature and extent of counter-productive waste perpetrated by the last Lib Govt in relation to current and future budget challenges: -

http://www.bsl.org.au/pdfs/BrodyMcNess_Assets_for_all_2009.pdf

(Bear with me - due to the 1-pic-per-post limitation of this forum, I will need to post it in at least 4 separate posts)

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Lib HQ: You'll keep paying more... Reply #52 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 1:39pm 3/?
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Reply #53 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 1:40pm

4/?

Seriously, what was the point in doleing out of serial annual Federal Budgets sums in the order of $11,000 pa, over a 40 year working life, to someone earning over $200,000 pa when the current single rate of aged pension is only around 50% more than that!?

Whatever was the point, in Howard and Costello paying out 26 years worth of pre-paid pensions in a single hit into the private wealth accounts of the uber wealthy!?

What was the point, in them annually forking out 2 1/2 times the aged pension rate in annual pre-paid pensions into the private wealth accounts of high income/wealth individuals!?

Where is the saving!?

Where was the benefit!?

Where have been the long-term cost-benefits!?

Surely, it is obvious that our Federal Budget and National Coffers were systematically raided, by the Howardian Libs with the tacit support of the Labs - and at great expense to the majority of current and Aussies who missed out on their fiscally reckless largesse!?

Surely, there has to be a far better way, of ensuring that subsidies go where they benefit national budgets and citizens best overal - one that stacks up in NATIONAL costs-benefits at every stage of the process!?

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Reply #54 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 4:44pm

No one said the super changes were perfect thy, however ALP's reduction in allowable contributions is not good for those on impending retirement.

Im interest to hear your thoughts on the reduction in the company tax rate Labor is proposing. Rather than give the big players a tax deduction, I would find it far more productive to be giving super funds tax breaks.

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Reply #55 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 6:09pm

iamtheman012 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 1:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 1:26pm:

iamtheman012 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 12:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 11:11am:

iamtheman012 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 10:02am:

skippy. wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 8:13am:

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The above mentioned reasons are why YOU are considered a JOKE on here Skippy.

Thanks Iamacat, but you take the medal, you're considered a joke on every forum, that you're not banned from that is.

I only get banned because fairies like YOU can't handle a little abuse so you hit the mummy button. How would you cope if we had a debate in a pub, who would you run to then you little punce?

Cheesy

Sir, we are all fiends here. You are good man. I too like the pub to have nice coca cola and meet new punce.

Perhaps we can meet to debate in the pub, puce. I would like this very much.

Sure thing sunshine, if you're in Sydney that can be arranged. FYI, i'm NOT a colour.

Grin

Thank you, sir. I am very sorry for my meaning you are coloured. Please excuse me purse.

Nor am i a handbag. LOL.

No, sir. I am very sorry. You are good man. My spelling is very potly.

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Reply #56 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 11:24pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 1:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 11:49am:

Ah.. the old Structural Deficit fantasy explanation. it is 'the deficit you have when you arent having a deficit'!

I would think it is more a case of the deficit you have when you have geared the economy to be reliant on continuing to boom in order to keep the books balanced.

Committed spending is greater than income as soon as the economy slows.

and yet we continually here about how Howard didnt do this or enough in that area etc etc etc - all of which require long term committment of federal money. you cant have it both ways! you could do what some countries have done when revenue goes down - increase taxes. there are always other options besides blaming the government that came before you.

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Reply #57 - Jul 27^th, 2010 at 11:30pm

Equitist wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 1:40pm:

4/?

Seriously, what was the point in doleing out of serial annual Federal Budgets sums in the order of $11,000 pa, over a 40 year working life, to someone earning over $200,000 pa when the current single rate of aged pension is only around 50% more than that!?

Whatever was the point, in Howard and Costello paying out 26 years worth of pre-paid pensions in a single hit into the private wealth accounts of the uber wealthy!?

What was the point, in them annually forking out 2 1/2 times the aged pension rate in annual pre-paid pensions into the private wealth accounts of high income/wealth individuals!?

Where is the saving!?

Where was the benefit!?

Where have been the long-term cost-benefits!?

Surely, it is obvious that our Federal Budget and National Coffers were systematically raided, by the Howardian Libs with the tacit support of the Labs - and at great expense to the majority of current and Aussies who missed out on their fiscally reckless largesse!?

Surely, there has to be a far better way, of ensuring that subsidies go where they benefit national budgets and citizens best overal - one that stacks up in NATIONAL costs-benefits at every stage of the process!?

Its quite simple if you exclude your ideology, presumptions and biases. Those that earn more, save more. Those that earn more usually work(ed) harder. This is not news to those that live in the real world where everything is not even or ewal or fair. It is not the governments job to redistribute wealth to the extent that you demand. these high earners are alreayd paying a massive premium on their taxes well above those who you seek to defend. They are not getting any extra 'benefit'. they are simply getting a little of the burden lowered that is applied grossly to them. most of these people you condemn wil pay 20-100 times the income taxes alone of low income earners and receive no welfare payments.

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Reply #58 - Jul 28^th, 2010 at 6:13am

I've only just jumped on the end of this thread so my apologies if I missed it.

But I saw you use the term 'long-term cost-benefits' in relation to pensions.

The coalition does not always determine spending according to 'long-term cost-benefits', though the party you support might.

The coalition also considers social issues such as health, education and welfare.

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Reply #59 - Jul 28^th, 2010 at 9:46am

||Surely, it is obvious that our Federal Budget and National Coffers were systematically raided, by the Howardian Libs with the tacit support of the Labs - and at great expense to the majority of current and Aussies who missed out on their fiscally reckless largesse!?||

gotta love this kind of rubbish. 'Raided the coffers'? Howard paid off the $96B debt, generated a large surplus, created the Future Fund and increased govt support for the poor and disadvantaged.

please, can he raid the coffers some more???

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