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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #105 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 12:09pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 8:10pm:

I didn't say you couldn't test it. I said you cannot perform a scientific experiment that would disprove the theory if it were incorrect. That is, it is not falsifiable.

That is smacking rubbish. Find a fossil out of its geologic time slot, evolution disproved.

Apparently there are many....

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #106 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 12:27pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 8:10pm:

I didn't say you couldn't test it. I said you cannot perform a scientific experiment that would disprove the theory if it were incorrect. That is, it is not falsifiable.

That is smacking rubbish. Find a fossil out of its geologic time slot, evolution disproved.

Apparently there are many....

Really, show me one that has been verified and peer-reviwed.

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #107 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 1:15pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 12:27pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 8:10pm:

I didn't say you couldn't test it. I said you cannot perform a scientific experiment that would disprove the theory if it were incorrect. That is, it is not falsifiable.

That is smacking rubbish. Find a fossil out of its geologic time slot, evolution disproved.

Apparently there are many....

Really, show me one that has been verified and peer-reviwed.

yeh, well... Roll Eyes

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #108 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 1:17pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 12:27pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 8:10pm:

I didn't say you couldn't test it. I said you cannot perform a scientific experiment that would disprove the theory if it were incorrect. That is, it is not falsifiable.

That is smacking rubbish. Find a fossil out of its geologic time slot, evolution disproved.

Apparently there are many....

Really, show me one that has been verified and peer-reviwed.

yeh, well... Roll Eyes

So in other words no.

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #109 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 1:29pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 1:17pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 12:27pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 8:10pm:

I didn't say you couldn't test it. I said you cannot perform a scientific experiment that would disprove the theory if it were incorrect. That is, it is not falsifiable.

That is smacking rubbish. Find a fossil out of its geologic time slot, evolution disproved.

Apparently there are many....

Really, show me one that has been verified and peer-reviwed.

yeh, well... Roll Eyes

So in other words no.

So in other words yeh, well... Cheesy

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #110 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:23pm

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That's not the same as non-scientific.

It is if you include falsifiability in your definition of science.

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That's the old Popper gamut again. Popper had a great theory with one very slight problem: It didn't actually take account of how science works in practice.

It is not supposed to say anything about how it works in practice. Kuhn had a lot to say about that side of things, but it does not actually contradict falsifiability as part of science.

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If we believed Popper, none of the observational sciences would be scientific.

Including observation as a requirement for science does not rule out observation. However, if it ends at observation, you might as well include stamp collecting.

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That is smacking rubbish. Find a fossil out of its geologic time slot, evolution disproved.

That is still not falsifiable. Falsifiable means that you cannot perform a scientific experiment that would disprove the theory if it were incorrect. If you find a fossil out of the geological time slot it would not actually disprove evolution. You would just make another slot for it.

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #112 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 8:56am

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:23pm:

That is still not falsifiable. Falsifiable means that you cannot perform a scientific experiment that would disprove the theory if it were incorrect. If you find a fossil out of the geological time slot it would not actually disprove evolution. You would just make another slot for it.

Well actually it would, because it would contradict the whole biological and geological time span. E.g finding monkey fossils in Jurassic era rocks. Monkeys/apes appear later than this in the evolutionary time scale and thus finding this would throw the current evolutionary tree out, science would be forced to start again. You're right in the sense that evolution wouldn't necessarily be disproved, it would just change it from a theory to a hypothesis.

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #113 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:26am

freediver wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 8:00pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/evolution/evolution-not-scientific-theory.html

Evolution should not be taught in high school science classes because it is not a scientific theory. It fails the requirement of falsifiability that is the litmus test for judging whether an investigation is scientific.

The modern scientific method is defined in terms of hypotheses, theories and laws. The difference between each is the level of acceptance in the scientific community. What they all have in common is that they must be falsifiable. This means that it must be possible to run an experiment that would prove the theory (or hypothesis or law) wrong, if it were not true.

Empiricism (a basis in experiment) is what gives science it's credibility. It means that a scientist in Poland does not have to take your word for it - they can do their own experiment and attempt to disprove it for themselves. The falsifiability part prevents people from coming up with theories that can only be proved right. Evolution fails both of these tests. There is no experiment that can test the theory. Any new evidence that comes to light cannot disprove the theory - only either back it up or call for a modification of the evolutionary tree or a modification of the theory.

Natural selection is a scientific theory. Evolution differs from natural selection by including the ideas of common ancestry and beneficial mutation. Just because a theory is not scientific does not mean that it has no merit. However, claiming that a theory is scientific lends it undeserved authority and diminishes the authority of science.

The modern scientific method arose during the scientific revolution - after the renaissance. Observation of nature and speculation do form part of the scientific method. That is how new hypotheses are formed. However, they should be immediately checked to see whether they are scientific or not.

Old discussions:

Denialism of science.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1271213213/45#45

EVOLUTION VS RELIGION

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1167973400/405#405

many blessings ,

1. caterpillar ~ butterfly

same DNA yet metamorphosis and transmutation

manifests through evolution

not a darwinian lie

through the beingness in life ,

whether ready or not

the shift will happen without the caterpillars permission

or approval ...consequently be at peace

in love and light

namaste

- : ) =

ॐ

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #114 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:28am

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:26am:

freediver wrote on Jul 27^th, 2010 at 8:00pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/evolution/evolution-not-scientific-theory.html

Evolution should not be taught in high school science classes because it is not a scientific theory. It fails the requirement of falsifiability that is the litmus test for judging whether an investigation is scientific.

The modern scientific method is defined in terms of hypotheses, theories and laws. The difference between each is the level of acceptance in the scientific community. What they all have in common is that they must be falsifiable. This means that it must be possible to run an experiment that would prove the theory (or hypothesis or law) wrong, if it were not true.

Empiricism (a basis in experiment) is what gives science it's credibility. It means that a scientist in Poland does not have to take your word for it - they can do their own experiment and attempt to disprove it for themselves. The falsifiability part prevents people from coming up with theories that can only be proved right. Evolution fails both of these tests. There is no experiment that can test the theory. Any new evidence that comes to light cannot disprove the theory - only either back it up or call for a modification of the evolutionary tree or a modification of the theory.

Natural selection is a scientific theory. Evolution differs from natural selection by including the ideas of common ancestry and beneficial mutation. Just because a theory is not scientific does not mean that it has no merit. However, claiming that a theory is scientific lends it undeserved authority and diminishes the authority of science.

The modern scientific method arose during the scientific revolution - after the renaissance. Observation of nature and speculation do form part of the scientific method. That is how new hypotheses are formed. However, they should be immediately checked to see whether they are scientific or not.

Old discussions:

Denialism of science.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1271213213/45#45

EVOLUTION VS RELIGION

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1167973400/405#405

many blessings ,

1. caterpillar ~ butterfly

same DNA yet metamorphosis and transmutation

manifests through evolution

not a darwinian lie

through the beingness in life ,

whether ready or not

the shift will happen without the caterpillars permission

or approval ...consequently be at peace

in love and light

namaste

- : ) =

ॐ

May I suggest an education before commenting.

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #115 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:32am

many blessings ,

still stinging from past encounters with the light

you still resist truth which is the maxim of law

this affliction is not comforted by one such as I am

in truth , so your confusion persists and as such

the margin betwixt truth and mistruth is still within

your belief system and the synapses create the

confusionary construct and paradox you face .

this is ok and cool and was predicted in accordance with

the divine plan ..

the caterpillar and butterfly share the same DNA

do you deny this fact ?

namaste

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #116 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:37am

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:32am:

many blessings ,

still stinging from past encounters with the light

you still resist truth which is the maxim of law

this affliction is not comforted by one such as I am

in truth , so your confusion persists and as such

the margin betwixt truth and mistruth is still within

your belief system and the synapses create the

confusionary construct and paradox you face .

this is ok and cool and was predicted in accordance with

the divine plan ..

the caterpillar and butterfly share the same DNA

do you deny this fact ?

namaste

- : ) =

ॐ

No I deny that metamorphosis is classified as evolution.

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory Reply #117 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:42am many blessings , you simply misinterpret linguistics , I observe your confusion with forgiveness however now you know .. you are welcomed - : ) = namaste ॐ
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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #118 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:48am

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 9:42am:

many blessings ,

you simply misinterpret linguistics ,

I observe your confusion with forgiveness

however

now you know .. you are welcomed

- : ) =

namaste

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SO you've used the term evolution to describe something else even though the thread is about the scientific term evolution.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory Reply #119 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:23am Needless to say, Evolutionary Theory is woefully inadequate in explaining a lot of what we see around us. I believe in Evolution, but it definitely doesn't explain it all. There are other forces at work, and I say this as an agnostic atheist.
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