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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #120 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:29am

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Needless to say, Evolutionary Theory is woefully inadequate to explain a lot of what we see around us.

I believe in Evolution, but it definitely doesn't explain it all.

There are other forces at work, and I say this as an agnostic atheist.

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #121 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:48am

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Needless to say, Evolutionary Theory is woefully inadequate in explaining a lot of what we see around us.

I believe in Evolution, but it definitely doesn't explain it all.

There are other forces at work, and I say this as an agnostic atheist.

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Care to list an example of what you think evolution doesnt explain?

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #122 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:53am

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Needless to say, Evolutionary Theory is woefully inadequate in explaining a lot of what we see around us.

I believe in Evolution, but it definitely doesn't explain it all.

There are other forces at work, and I say this as an agnostic atheist.

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Yes, but the things it doesn't explain are not living. That's the scope of the theory.

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #123 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Needless to say, Evolutionary Theory is woefully inadequate in explaining a lot of what we see around us.

I believe in Evolution, but it definitely doesn't explain it all.

There are other forces at work, and I say this as an agnostic atheist.

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Care to list an example of what you think evolution doesnt explain?

If almost all creatures [including man], are so 'fixated' on the the climax of the sex act, why didn't we most creatures evolve into creatures that had both sexual organs, so that we could orgasm whenever we wanted [i.e. continually] ?

You know that it is what you want! Wink

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #124 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:05pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Needless to say, Evolutionary Theory is woefully inadequate in explaining a lot of what we see around us.

I believe in Evolution, but it definitely doesn't explain it all.

There are other forces at work, and I say this as an agnostic atheist.

Cool

Care to list an example of what you think evolution doesnt explain?

If almost all creatures [including man], are so 'fixated' on the the climax of the sex act, why didn't we most creatures evolve into creatures that had both sexual organs, so that we could orgasm whenever we wanted [i.e. continually] ?

You know that it is what you want! Wink

Easy, the act of sexual reproduction in higher animals ensures adequate mixing of genetic material. If you just reproduced from yourself, you'd essentially be just cloning yourself. Higher diversity leads to faster evolution generally.

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #125 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:10pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Needless to say, Evolutionary Theory is woefully inadequate in explaining a lot of what we see around us.

I believe in Evolution, but it definitely doesn't explain it all.

There are other forces at work, and I say this as an agnostic atheist.

Cool

Care to list an example of what you think evolution doesnt explain?

If almost all creatures [including man], are so 'fixated' on the the climax of the sex act, why didn't we most creatures evolve into creatures that had both sexual organs, so that we could orgasm whenever we wanted [i.e. continually] ?

You know that it is what you want! Wink

many blessings ,

though sex does not reflect the all encompassing aspect

of divine love , from which all beings emanate

into physicality ..

any being focusing and pursuing sex is locked within

a certain harmonic resonance that is the base chakra

and that is the energy one conducts him/herself from

and toward as like attracts like however

one embodying the higher aspects

of the physical garment that is your physical body

will reflect and project from the divine mind

and the divine centre of that being not clouded

and distracted by a physical act ..

so in fact harmonics has alot to do

with an individuals' interpretation of any and all events

one may or may not experience

all hearts remain loved regardless

and so it is so be it

namaste

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #126 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:23pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:10pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Needless to say, Evolutionary Theory is woefully inadequate in explaining a lot of what we see around us.

I believe in Evolution, but it definitely doesn't explain it all.

There are other forces at work, and I say this as an agnostic atheist.

Cool

Care to list an example of what you think evolution doesnt explain?

If almost all creatures [including man], are so 'fixated' on the the climax of the sex act, why didn't we most creatures evolve into creatures that had both sexual organs, so that we could orgasm whenever we wanted [i.e. continually] ?

You know that it is what you want! Wink

many blessings ,

though sex does not reflect the all encompassing aspect

of divine love , from which all beings emanate

into physicality ..

any being focusing and pursuing sex is locked within

a certain harmonic resonance that is the base chakra

and that is the energy one conducts him/herself from

and toward as like attracts like however

one embodying the higher aspects

of the physical garment that is your physical body

will reflect and project from the divine mind

and the divine centre of that being not clouded

and distracted by a physical act ..

so in fact harmonics has alot to do

with an individuals' interpretation of any and all events

one may or may not experience

all hearts remain loved regardless

and so it is so be it

namaste

- : ) =

ॐ

Light,

A typical human being, ....we place before him/her two items,
1/ a green leafy cabbage, and
2/ a 220g block of Cadbury Dairy Milk.

And we tell them; "You can only have one. Choose."

Which item is the typical 'modern', intelligent, human being going to choose ?

Is he/she, going to choose the cabbage, so that they can go off, and make themselves cabbage soup ?

Google;
obesity plague, in western nations

We 'get' become, what we choose ?

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #128 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:36pm

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Well actually it would, because it would contradict the whole biological and geological time span. E.g finding monkey fossils in Jurassic era rocks.

Again, that is simply not what falsifiable means. Get a dictionary if necessary. Repeating yourself is not the same thing as debating. You criticise others as ignorant for using an "out-of-context" meaning for evolution, yet you do the same thing with falsifiable.

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Monkeys/apes appear later than this in the evolutionary time scale and thus finding this would throw the current evolutionary tree out, science would be forced to start again.

There is no real reason why monkey-like creatures could not have evolved with the dinosaurs. Obviously you cannot know whether they are actually monkeys, if you only have fossilized bones. We see this sort of parallel evolution all the time. You would not throw the whole tree out. You would just add a branch for the dinosaur-monkeys.

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Care to list an example of what you think evolution doesnt explain?

Quantum mechanics.

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #129 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:08pm

freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

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Well actually it would, because it would contradict the whole biological and geological time span. E.g finding monkey fossils in Jurassic era rocks.

Again, that is simply not what falsifiable means. Get a dictionary if necessary. Repeating yourself is not the same thing as debating. You criticise others as ignorant for using an "out-of-context" meaning for evolution, yet you do the same thing with falsifiable.

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Monkeys/apes appear later than this in the evolutionary time scale and thus finding this would throw the current evolutionary tree out, science would be forced to start again.

There is no real reason why monkey-like creatures could not have evolved with the dinosaurs. Obviously you cannot know whether they are actually monkeys, if you only have fossilized bones. We see this sort of parallel evolution all the time. You would not throw the whole tree out. You would just add a branch for the dinosaur-monkeys.

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Care to list an example of what you think evolution doesnt explain?

Quantum mechanics.

Excellent, since evolutionary theory came before quantum theory, has nothing to do with physics, of course evolutionary theory doesnt explain quantum theory.

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #130 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:09pm

freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

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Well actually it would, because it would contradict the whole biological and geological time span. E.g finding monkey fossils in Jurassic era rocks.

Again, that is simply not what falsifiable means. Get a dictionary if necessary. Repeating yourself is not the same thing as debating. You criticise others as ignorant for using an "out-of-context" meaning for evolution, yet you do the same thing with falsifiable.
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Falsifiability or refutability of a statement, hypothesis, or theory is an inherent possibility to prove it to be false. A statement is called falsifiable if it is possible to conceive an observation or an argument which proves the statement in question to be false

So evolutionary theory is falsifiable in the sense, it is possible to prove it false.

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #131 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:44pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Care to list an example of what you think evolution doesnt explain?

freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

Quantum mechanics.

Excellent, since evolutionary theory came before quantum theory, has nothing to do with physics, of course evolutionary theory doesnt explain quantum theory.

I suspect that FD means that 'Quantum mechanics', are not merely not explained by evolution, but that the 'working' of Quantum mechanics are beyond the realm of human understanding and theory [beyond even human supposition and hypothesis].

I think that some aspects of what we humans have discovered about 'Quantum mechanics', seem to defy all logical explanation of how 'things' can function and exist.

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #132 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:49pm

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Excellent, since evolutionary theory came before quantum theory, has nothing to do with physics, of course evolutionary theory doesnt explain quantum theory.

That's what happens when you ask a stupid question.

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Falsifiability or refutability of a statement, hypothesis, or theory is an inherent possibility to prove it to be false.

Sure. Just like evolution is when a grub changes into a butterfly. Get a dictionary. Better yet, get an education before commenting.

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but that the 'working' of Quantum mechanics are beyond the realm of human understanding

No.

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #133 - Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:59pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

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Well actually it would, because it would contradict the whole biological and geological time span. E.g finding monkey fossils in Jurassic era rocks.

Again, that is simply not what falsifiable means. Get a dictionary if necessary. Repeating yourself is not the same thing as debating. You criticise others as ignorant for using an "out-of-context" meaning for evolution, yet you do the same thing with falsifiable.

Quote:

Monkeys/apes appear later than this in the evolutionary time scale and thus finding this would throw the current evolutionary tree out, science would be forced to start again.

There is no real reason why monkey-like creatures could not have evolved with the dinosaurs. Obviously you cannot know whether they are actually monkeys, if you only have fossilized bones. We see this sort of parallel evolution all the time. You would not throw the whole tree out. You would just add a branch for the dinosaur-monkeys.

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Care to list an example of what you think evolution doesnt explain?

Quantum mechanics.

Excellent, since evolutionary theory came before quantum theory, has nothing to do with physics, of course evolutionary theory doesnt explain quantum theory.

many blessings ,

to be correct quantum theory is just that

a theory constructed through the mind of man

quantum mechanics is a constant and has been

in effect before man stumbled across its existence

and tried to verbalize through linguistics the definition

upon as much

all is well enough

so be at peace

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Re: Evolution is not a scientific theory
Reply #134 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:12am

freediver wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

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Excellent, since evolutionary theory came before quantum theory, has nothing to do with physics, of course evolutionary theory doesnt explain quantum theory.

That's what happens when you ask a stupid question.

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Falsifiability or refutability of a statement, hypothesis, or theory is an inherent possibility to prove it to be false.

Sure. Just like evolution is when a grub changes into a butterfly. Get a dictionary. Better yet, get an education before commenting.

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but that the 'working' of Quantum mechanics are beyond the realm of human understanding

No.

Ummm, I think you've equated someone elses quotes with mine. I never said evolution was when a grub changes into a butterfly. I was disputing with someone else who else said that.

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