as is alcohol, music, kite flying, any other belief, a genuine election, a woman being out without appropriate male supervision , schools for females or leaving the crap belief system.

oh, also God is forbidden to talk to anyone in hte last 1500 years. According to moh the illiterate

moh, he was illiterate.
so the koran was 4th hand, at best

was he illiterate or was he not illiterate ?
yes/no ?

Avoiding the question means "yes"

I have read a bit of it in various bookshops thanks.
Sort of lost me where it talked about "chopping off alternate hand and foot"
Proved to me just how extreme it is.

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So you were strolling through Angus & Robertsons one day and you just happened to pick up a Qur'an and coincidentally stumbled onto a verse that said to chop off alternate hands and feet?  

Better than you pick up a Bible and accidentally open it to a page about slaughtering little infants.... I suppose.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 13^th, 2010 at 9:15pm:



The only difference is that you open the Koran anywhere - and it's giberish. I have attemted to read it many, many times. It is unreadable. It is just a load of unconnected blah. Thomas Carlyle summed it up really well:

I must say, it [the Koran] is as toilsome reading as I ever undertook. A wearisome confused jumble, crude, incondite; endless iterations, long-windedness, entanglement; most crude, incondite; -- insupportable stupidity, in short! Nothing but a sense of duty could carry any European through the Koran . . . It is the confused ferment of a great rude human soul; rude, untutored, that cannot even read; but fervent, earnest, struggling vehemently to utter itself in words . . . We said "stupid:" yet natural stupidity is by no means the character of
Mahomet's Book; it is natural uncultivation rather. The man has not studied speaking; in the haste and pressure of continual fighting, has
not time to mature himself into fit speech . . . The man was an uncultured semi-barbarous Son of Nature, much of the Bedouin still clinging to him: we must take him for that. But for a wretched Simulacrum, a hungry Impostor without eyes or heart . . . we will not
and cannot take him. Sincerity, in all senses, seems to me the merit of the Koran; what had rendered it precious to the wild Arab men . . . Curiously, through these incondite masses of tradition, vituperation, complaint, ejaculation in the Koran, a vein of true direct insight, of what we might almost call poetry, is found straggling.


Spot f...ing on, I say!!!!

Equitist wrote on Aug 13^th, 2010 at 10:55pm:



You don't read and you don't think. Talking will not make up for these deficiencies.

Any idiot can say that one thing is the same as another. It takes a bit of intellect to perceive difference. But you wouldn't know what the hell I am talking about.

Soren, my guess is you've honestly never read any part of the Qur'an.

You might have gleaned the occasional hand-picked quote from Jihadwatch, but that's about it.

Sit down and seriously read the book, and I think you'll find that the trash you posted above is nothing but that... trash.

I can hand pick stuff out of the Bible which just sounds like complete jibberish... for example:

If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox [shall be] quit. But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death. If there be laid on him a sum of money, then he shall give for the ransom of his life whatsoever is laid upon him. Whether he have gored a son, or have gored a daughter, according to this judgment shall it be done unto him. If the ox shall push a manservant or a maidservant; he shall give unto their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned. And if a man shall open a pit, or if a man shall dig a pit, and not cover it, and an ox or an ass fall therein; The owner of the pit shall make [it] good, [and] give money unto the owner of them; and the dead [beast] shall be his.

Stoned any oxen lately have we? remember not to eat the flesh thereof..  

And remember to be sure to close any pits you open, lest any oxen or asses fall therein.

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I agree, saying they're the same is just insulting. How on earth anyone can put the noble and splendid words of the Qur'an al-Kareem on the same level as this is just beyond me. The Qur'an is a book of pure guidance which doesn't deserve to be compared in any measure with this ox stoning and pit covering stuff.

Perhaps your ox were wont to push with his horn in time past.