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Re: What a crap religion Islam must be . . .
Reply #30 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 12:53am
 
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The point is not whether the Koran is the only giberish.


As I said, don't put the words of God with your books. They are not on the same playing field.

Interesting you use the term Gibberish though (Gibberish: the word comes from the name of the famous 8th-century Islamic alchemist, Jabir ibn Hayyan, whose name was Latinized as "Geber", thus the term "gibberish" arose as a reference to the incomprehensible technical jargon often used by Jabir and other alchemists who followed.) ie. The backward Europeans didn't understand what on earth he was on about, since he was speaking about chemistry, physics, mathematics etc. topics completely foreign to them.

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The point is that the Koran is giberish.


So far we've only seen you admit this when shown excerpts from your own book. I have yet to see any such credible examples from the noble book of God. Just a few European nit-wits jabbering on about how they think you can interpret one language by means of another, just because they have some shared vocab. The kind of stuff only idiots would subscribe to that have absolutely no understanding of modern linguistics. Probably the kind of kooky stuff Europeans would've still been subscribing to back in Jabir's time.

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The Jews and the Christians at least have the sense of proportion not to claim to have direct acess to god's mind as text (the early illiterate Muslims' fetish). They at least have the sense of proportion to speak only of inspiration, not dicattion. But Islam, in all things a gauche parody, always goes too far.


The mockery would not be complete without this crowning piece of jahiliyyah.

So what pray tell is Sola Scriptura??? A deviant Jain philosophy or something??? You're a rank amateur soren, rank amateur.

Not to mention the Yahoud, whose most celebrated and trusted authority, Rambam, taught: "Moses was the Torah's author, receiving it from God either as divine inspiration or as direct dictation in the Hebrew year 2449 AM (1313 BCE)."

Rank amateur...
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Reply #31 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 10:49am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 13th, 2010 at 9:18pm:
karnal - that means yes.

typical deceiving muslim.
exactly the same as abu


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Name your price, my friend.
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Reply #32 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 11:39am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 12:53am:
The mockery would not be complete without this crowning piece of jahiliyyah.

So what pray tell is Sola Scriptura??? A deviant Jain philosophy or something??? You're a rank amateur soren, rank amateur.

Not to mention the Yahoud, whose most celebrated and trusted authority, Rambam, taught: "Moses was the Torah's author, receiving it from God either as divine inspiration or as direct dictation in the Hebrew year 2449 AM (1313 BCE)."

Rank amateur...


"So many Muslims have this belief that everything between the two covers of the Koran is just God's unaltered word," he says. "They like to quote the textual work that shows that the Bible has a history and did not fall straight out of the sky, but until now the Koran has been out of this discussion. The only way to break through this wall is to prove that the Koran has a history too. The Sana'a fragments will help us to do this."
Puin is not alone in his enthusiasm. "The impact of the Yemeni manuscripts is still to be felt," says Andrew Rippin, a professor of religious studies at the University of Calgary, who is at the forefront of Koranic studies today. "Their variant readings and verse orders are all very significant. Everybody agrees on that. These manuscripts say that the early history of the Koranic text is much more of an open question than many have suspected: the text was less stable, and therefore had less authority, than has always been claimed."


Islam claims too much for the Koran and a little bit of deviation from 'god's unaltered word' will see it collapse (hence the murderous threats and insistence of no critique). The same cannot be said for either Judaism or Christianity because neither of these two established itself on quite as outl;andish foundations as Islam. Not even the sola scripura notion goes as far as Islam.

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Reply #33 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 2:57pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 11:39am:
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 at 12:53am:
The mockery would not be complete without this crowning piece of jahiliyyah.

So what pray tell is Sola Scriptura??? A deviant Jain philosophy or something??? You're a rank amateur soren, rank amateur.

Not to mention the Yahoud, whose most celebrated and trusted authority, Rambam, taught: "Moses was the Torah's author, receiving it from God either as divine inspiration or as direct dictation in the Hebrew year 2449 AM (1313 BCE)."

Rank amateur...


"So many Muslims have this belief that everything between the two covers of the Koran is just God's unaltered word," he says. "They like to quote the textual work that shows that the Bible has a history and did not fall straight out of the sky, but until now the Koran has been out of this discussion. The only way to break through this wall is to prove that the Koran has a history too. The Sana'a fragments will help us to do this."
Puin is not alone in his enthusiasm. "The impact of the Yemeni manuscripts is still to be felt," says Andrew Rippin, a professor of religious studies at the University of Calgary, who is at the forefront of Koranic studies today. "Their variant readings and verse orders are all very significant. Everybody agrees on that. These manuscripts say that the early history of the Koranic text is much more of an open question than many have suspected: the text was less stable, and therefore had less authority, than has always been claimed."


Islam claims too much for the Koran and a little bit of deviation from 'god's unaltered word' will see it collapse (hence the murderous threats and insistence of no critique). The same cannot be said for either Judaism or Christianity because neither of these two established itself on quite as outl;andish foundations as Islam. Not even the sola scripura notion goes as far as Islam.



You do realize you're skirting dangerously close to blasphemy, don't you, old boy?
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Reply #34 - Sep 1st, 2010 at 9:40pm
 
Reason to pause

The Closing of the Muslim Mind: How Intellectual Suicide Created the Modern Islamist Crisis by Robert R Reilly

Reviewed by Spengler


Mainstream Islam rejected Greek-derived philosophy at the turn of the 12th century, when Abu Hamid al-Ghazali established a theology of divine caprice. In the normative Muslim view of things, Allah personally and immediately directs the motion of every molecule by his ineffable and incomprehensible will, according to the al-Ghazali synthesis, directly and without the mediation of natural law. Al-Ghazali abolished intermediate causes, that is, laws of nature, leaving great and small events to the caprice of the absolute tyrant of the universe.

In place of Hellenistic reasoning, Islam turned to a literal reading of the Koran. Robert Reilly recounts Islam's abandonment of Hellenistic reason, and blames it for the subsequent decline of Muslim civilization and the rise of radical Islam.

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Reilly's focus on 12th-century Islamic irrationality might lead to the optimistic conclusion that if only we could persuade Muslims to read Aquinas, the war of civilizations might be averted. The trouble is that the Muslim embrace of irrationality is not only objective (at the level of theology), but also existential: it is infused into the entire complex of social relations in the Muslim world which allow untrammeled exercise of the will without covenantal constraints. This includes Koran-sanctioned wife-beating and, by extension, honor killings, genital mutilation, child marriages and other relics of paganism.

To transform Muslim societies into something approximating the covenantal model of the West would require nothing less than unraveling the whole web of relationships that bind families and clans. To traditional Muslims this appears as an existential threat. Many of them would rather die than submit, which is why to so many Muslims suicide seems attractive as an existential choice.





Read all of it here: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LH24Ak01.html
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Reply #35 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 2:35am
 
Hence my point that Islam, as practised today, is a gross and dangerous perversion of mind and sensibility.
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Reply #36 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:22am
 
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So far we've only seen you admit this when shown excerpts from your own book. I have yet to see any such credible examples from the noble book of God. Just a few European nit-wits jabbering on about how they think you can interpret one language by means of another, just because they have some shared vocab. The kind of stuff only idiots would subscribe to that have absolutely no understanding of modern linguistics. Probably the kind of kooky stuff Europeans would've still been subscribing to back in Jabir's time.
-Abu

Well who would have guessed that the all knowing, all seeing, (all singing, all dancing?) Allah, would not have foreseen that ancient arabic, or pushtu, or whatever ancient language the koran was written in, would not be the dominant language of the world for ever, or ever?
Not only did he not foresee that, he also made his message ONLY understandable to those who naturally think in that ancient iteration of that ancient language, as apparently it is untranslatable to any other language, and if that is the case, perhaps he is right, and his unalterable word was only meant for the ears of a handful of arabs, fourteen centuries ago.

Great, that means the rest of us do not need to listen to their load of bollocks, we have enough of our own with bible bashers.
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Reply #37 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 11:37am
 
Personally I don't think any religion is crap as long as people can gain comfort and direction from it, where it harms no-one and does not promote hate and division.
My problem with it is where politics meet religion, and then some groups or individuals interpretation of the holy books.
Islam isn't the only religion where the political sphere and religion has crossed over.
Only 500-600 years ago, the Catholics had there Inquisition burning thousands of supposed heretics alive at the stake.
They used fire because they weren't allowed to pierce the flesh according to their interpretation of the good book.
The lesson is that the Catholic and Islamic experience clearly demonstrate that Politics and Religion don't mix at all.
Not one little bit.
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