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Reply #15 - Aug 7th, 2010 at 12:02am
 
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Assimilate to what? People can do their own thing as long as they abide by the laws of the land. That's assimilating to the democracy we're in.


Guys like soren are closet Maoists, they want us all to wear the same suit, carry around the same little book, eat the same food, hold the same values etc. That's called "being Australian" apparently.... Not the Australia you and I grew up in, but apparently it's the "new Australia" that we're all supposed to "conform" to, Muslims first.
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Reply #16 - Aug 7th, 2010 at 1:54pm
 
You are hilarious for a Muslim (remembering that there are no jokes in Islam). I like the cognitive dissonance of 'Australia that you and I grew up in' bit. As if you had not radically turned your back on it! You are the enemy of everything that is recognisably Australian about the 'Australia that you and I grew up in', moor.

Here's a non-white woman who has been a Muslim and knows what you stand for:

"Hirsi Ali tackles the mantra, “we’ve got to respect their culture” head on. The problem, she points out is that respect is hard to reconcile with forced marriages, honour killings, female genital mutilation, the forced veiling of women, and of course the killing of homosexuals. Clearly, she dismisses the post-modernist notion that all cultures are equal. “It’s individual human beings who are equal”.

Fending off her critics who then say that our society is flawed––another saw of the Left––she promptly explains that “Western flaws, the white man’s flaws, his sexism, his racism, his prejudices have been criticised and radically changed. Men of colour, not just Muslim men, but Chinese, Indians, “men of colour are excused from that same critical scrutiny of cultures, their customs, their habits, their religious principles”. This is the essence of her criticism of multiculturalism too.


I stand with her, you see, because she defends Western civilisation and Australian culture. I also think they are better, as a civilisation and as a culture, than anything you can offer or force on people.
Where you were born or how tinted you are matter not. They are accidents out of your hand. But when it came to making a personal, conscious decision, though, you chose to stand againt both western civilisation and Australian culture.
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Reply #17 - Aug 7th, 2010 at 2:01pm
 
Ziggy wrote on Aug 6th, 2010 at 11:20am:
So what part of that description can't be found anywhere else in society?  Grin

You'd probably find all that in a pub on a Saturday night.  Roll Eyes

Assimilate to what? People can do their own thing as long as they abide by the laws of the land. That's assimilating to the democracy we're in.

In as far as threats of violence or death that's not on but to hold that sort of thing is unique to Muslims would be hard to defend.



This is lazy stuff.

Yes, yobbery is alive and well in the pub. But to say that a drunken fool is the same as religio-political push for a caliphate, is lazy. To say that a snarling yob is the same as bombing nightclubs and railways across the globe in support of islam is lazy and unthinking. To equate calls for better respect for local custom with calling for the death of an author is probably wilful 'I-can'-be-fagged-to-think' ignorance.


You need to ease up on the reflex equivocation.

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Reply #18 - Aug 7th, 2010 at 2:06pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 7th, 2010 at 1:54pm:
You are hilarious for a Muslim (remembering that there are no jokes in Islam). I like the cognitive dissonance of 'Australia that you and I grew up in' bit. As if you had not radically turned your back on it! You are the enemy of everything that is recognisably Australian about the 'Australia that you and I grew up in', moor.

Yes, the irony and hypocrisy in his drivel is so blatant and ridiculous that it serves only to indicate that he was/is an embittered and friendless misfit who found comfort in a medieval cult that offers him a feigned fraternity - of the "you're my brother because the code commands it not because I feel it" species.
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Reply #19 - Aug 7th, 2010 at 6:46pm
 
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As if you had not radically turned your back on it!


I haven't turned my back on anything. The fact I'm here defending it from imports like you is enough evidence of that.

Your only claim to "Australianness" is the so called Judeo-Christian tradition you believe is core to Australia's way of life. The reality is that it is not core to Australia's way of life, and that's why you are so easily departed from even recognising Australia's way of life. You would claim that Muslims need to "conform" to what you think "Australianness" is all about, yet you utterly fail to recognise one of Australia's core values which is individuality and freedom to do/dress/eat/believe/etc whatever the bloody hell you like (within the limits of the law).

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Here's a non-white woman who has been a Muslim...


The colour of her skin adds to her authenticity?

You're a simpleton, seriously.

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I stand with her, you see, because she defends Western civilisation and Australian culture.


She's nothing but an opportunist stooge for hatemongers like yourself, nothing more, nothing less.

She has nothing to do with Australia and it's culture or way of life.
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Reply #20 - Aug 7th, 2010 at 7:34pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 7th, 2010 at 6:46pm:
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As if you had not radically turned your back on it!


I haven't turned my back on anything. The fact I'm here defending it from imports like you is enough evidence of that.

Your only claim to "Australianness" is the so called Judeo-Christian tradition you believe is core to Australia's way of life. The reality is that it is not core to Australia's way of life, and that's why you are so easily departed from even recognising Australia's way of life. You would claim that Muslims need to "conform" to what you think "Australianness" is all about, yet you utterly fail to recognise one of Australia's core values which is individuality and freedom to do/dress/eat/believe/etc whatever the bloody hell you like (within the limits of the law)


Come the caliphate, all this individuality-mongering will have to go, as you know and I know.

As to the Judeo-Christian tradition - you would have us believe that the two dozen Afghan camel drivers were the true pioneers of Australia.


Muslim of your kind - politically motivated zealots in search of somewhere that will accept them and help them in the world-totalitarian fantasy project  - are not prepared to conform to Australianness, Englishness, Germanness, Frenchness, Swissness, Danishness or Swedishness. Your project is not to fit in.

Your idea of Islam is a latter day mix of western ideas but you are too zealous or too thick or both to realise or face it. Your Hizb ul Tahrir ideology is heavy on the world-dominating delusion of western ideas: fascism and marxist-leninist crap.

You guys (political Islamists) have not had a new idea of your own in 1400 years and it shows.




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Reply #21 - Aug 7th, 2010 at 8:29pm
 
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Come the caliphate, all this individuality-mongering will have to go, as you know and I know


This misconception of yours is based on the idea that individualism means shagging the same sex or walking around half naked, or pickling your liver with solvents.

Since I don't hold any of these things to be a necessary part of individualism, therefore I don't believe individualism is to be stamped out.

You tie freedom and individualism etc. to specific acts which you yourself find acceptable and legitimate. Not everyone agrees with you, not I, not Muslims, and likewise for many mainstream Aussies.

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you would have us believe that the two dozen Afghan camel drivers were the true pioneers of Australia.


Your absolute ignorance of those who gave so much of themselves to pioneer this country is just despicable. I'd suggest you go and visit the current exhibit at the Australian Immigration Museum entitled "Australia's Muslim Cameleers" to get an accurate picture of just how much early Muslims contributed to this country's founding. Long before trash like yourself ever considered venturing over here.

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Reply #22 - Aug 7th, 2010 at 9:00pm
 
"Australia's Muslim Cameleers" Who knew? It was "Australia's Muslim Cameleers"  all along!!

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Reply #23 - Aug 7th, 2010 at 9:05pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 7th, 2010 at 8:29pm:
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Come the caliphate, all this individuality-mongering will have to go, as you know and I know


This misconception of yours is based on the idea that individualism means shagging the same sex or walking around half naked, or pickling your liver with solvents.

Since I don't hold any of these things to be a necessary part of individualism, therefore I don't believe individualism is to be stamped out.

You tie freedom and individualism etc. to specific acts which you yourself find acceptable and legitimate. Not everyone agrees with you, not I, not Muslims, and likewise for many mainstream Aussies.




They teach you this rot in Hib school don't they?  "Eqaute freedom with shagging when the infidel speaks of freedom" but then point out that the true meaning of freedom is really "Australia's Muslim Cameleers" .

You combine frightening and idiotic in one comprehensive ideology. Well done.

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Reply #24 - Aug 7th, 2010 at 9:05pm
 

abu - tell us all about the first Aust. terrorist, a muslim camaleer i believe  ........

or, someone want to google it, from the Aust. archives or the like ...

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Reply #25 - Aug 7th, 2010 at 9:11pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 7th, 2010 at 7:34pm:
Come the caliphate, all this individuality-mongering will have to go, as you know and I know.


Yes. We have it on reliable information that the caliphate consultation committee has been sheduled for 2013, just after the ETS panel makes its submission. There will need to be a white paper first, of course, and a rigourous consultation process, but the caliphate will definately happen. We do live in a democracy after all.

Personally, I find all this individuality rubbish a bit of a bore. I'd like the freedom to be just like everyone else, but no, I have to choose Nike or Adidas, Coke or Pepsi, Labor or Liberal, penis or vagina, it's all so tedious.

It would be so refreshing if someone could just come along and tell us what to think and do - such a relief.

The end of history has its positives indeed.
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Reply #26 - Aug 7th, 2010 at 9:49pm
 
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abu - tell us all about the first Aust. terrorist, a muslim camaleer i believe  .......


Terrorist? Or just an Afghan who got fed up with the racism and bigotry of people like yourself, so he got a little trigger happy?
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Reply #27 - Aug 7th, 2010 at 10:04pm
 

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The Battle of Broken Hill
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The Battle of Broken Hill was a fatal incident which took place near Broken Hill, New South Wales, Australia on 1 January 1915. Two men shot dead four people and wounded seven more, before being killed by police and military officers. While the attack was politically inspired, as declared by the perpetrators in notes, the men were not members of any sanctioned armed force. Since, at that time, Australia was preparing to attack the Ottoman Empire, they were first speculated to be Turkish, but were later identified as being Muslims from the British colony of India (modern day Pakistan).[1][2]

[edit] The Assailants
The attackers were both former camel-drivers working at Broken Hill. They were Badsha Mahommed Gool (born approx 1874 [3]), an ice-cream vendor and Mullah Abdullah (born approx 1854 [4]), a local imam and halal butcher.
Gool's ice-cream cart was well-known in town and was used to transport the men to the attack site. They also fashioned a home-made Ottoman flag which they flew. There appears to have been little effort at hiding their identities.

Abdullah had arrived in Broken Hill around 1898 and worked as a camel driver, before becoming a mullah and slaughtering animals according to halal Islamic rites. Several days before the killings Adbullah was convicted by Chief Sanitary Inspector Brosnan for slaughtering sheep on premises not licensed for slaughtering. It was not his first charge. [5] Considering the slaughter-house unions at that time had racially discriminatory policies, there was little scope for Abdullah to legally prepare halal meats for the Muslim community. In addition, he had ceased wearing his turban years beforehand "since the day some larrikin threw stones at me, and I did not like it"[6]

Gool lived next door to Mullah Adbullah. Gool was a member of the Afridi, a Pashtun clan, from Afghanistan. He claimed he had been in the Turkish Army several times and was believed to regularly smoke strong marijauna.[7] Police Constable Mills later conjectured that Gool had used Abdullah's concerns over the fine as leverage to convince him to take part in the killings.

[edit] The Picnic Train
Each New Year's Day the local lodge of the Manchester Unity Order of Oddfellows held a picnic at Silverton. The train from Broken Hill to Silverton was crowded with 1200 picnickers on 40 open trucks. Three kilometres out of town, Gool and Abdullah positioned themselves on an embankment about 30 metres from the tracks. As the train passed they opened fire with two rifles, discharging 20-30 shots.

The crowd originally thought the shots were in honour of the train passing, but once people started falling the reality sank in.

The railway guard on the train was "Tiger" Dick (Eric Edward) Nyholm, soon to be a father of six including the late Prof Sir Ronald Nyholm [8] also of Broken Hill. Nyholm was a renowned marksman, and was instrumental in protecting the train and its passengers.

[edit] The 'Battle'
Gool and Mulla made their way from the train towards the West Camel camp where they lived. On the way they murdered Alfred E. Millard who had taken shelter in his hut. By this time the train had pulled over at a siding and the police were telephoned. The police contacted Lieutenant Resch at the local army base who despatched his men. When police encountered Gool and Abdullah near the Cable Hotel, the pair shot and wounded Constable Mills. Gool and Abdullah then took shelter among a white quartz outcrop, which provided good cover. A 90 minute gun battle followed, during which armed members of the public arrived to join the police and military. By the end of the battle very little shooting came from the pair and most was off target, leading Constable Ward to conclude that Mullah Abdullah was already dead and Gool was injured.

James Craig (a 69 year old occupant of a house behind the Cable Hotel) who resisted his daughter's warning about chopping wood during a gun battle, was hit by a stray bullet and killed. He was the fourth victim to be killed. The seven wounded were: Mary Kavanagh, George Stokes, Thomas Campbell, Lucy Shaw (daughter of William), Alma Crocker, Rose Crabb, Constable Robert Mills. [9]

At "one o'clock a rush took place to the Turks' stronghold" [9] An eyewitness later stated that Gool had stood with a white rag tied to his rifle but was cut down by gunfire (he was found with 16 wounds). The mob would not allow Abdullah's body to be taken away in the ambulance. Later that day both bodies were disposed of in secret by the police.

[edit] The Aftermath
The attackers left notes connecting their actions were related to the hostilities between the Ottoman and British Empires which had been officially declared in October 1914. Believing he would be killed, Gool Mahomed left a letter in his waistbelt, which stated that he was a subject of the Ottoman Sultan and that, "I must kill your men and give my life for my faith by order of the Sultan." ............


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Reply #28 - Aug 7th, 2010 at 10:19pm
 
Hazzar!

So the Indians were as rebellious as the Irish. Those miserable muselmen at it again!

There's one for the history books. It's nice to know that the clash of civilizations began with the battle of Broken Hill.
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Reply #29 - Aug 7th, 2010 at 10:59pm
 
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Several days before the killings Adbullah was convicted by Chief Sanitary Inspector Brosnan for slaughtering sheep on premises not licensed for slaughtering. It was not his first charge. [5] Considering the slaughter-house unions at that time had racially discriminatory policies, there was little scope for Abdullah to legally prepare halal meats for the Muslim community. In addition, he had ceased wearing his turban years beforehand "since the day some larrikin threw stones at me, and I did not like it"


That's the relevant bit you should've been highlighting. He was discriminated against for wanting to slaughter his meat in the name of God. And the fine would've been unpayable. He was driven to despair and lashed out at the racist maggots who were persecuting him.... Kinda happens when you treat people like that.
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