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Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:14am
 
So what differentiate the parties?


Post the positives of Your preferred Party Policies ... without the spin

The Greens’ climate change policies and focus on social justice are widely known. However, for most people, it all comes back to the question, how much will it cost? The driving force behind the Greens economic policies is the belief that there is no economy without the environment. Their thinking is, our resources are finite so how can one expect infinite growth? The trouble with this is that the current global economic system relies on growth.

From a social justice perspective, the Greens say that widening gaps between the rich and poor mean essential services are being cut back. The Greens strongly argue that the revenue raised from higher taxes should be for the purpose of all Australians.

The Greens believe their policies for improved education, infrastructure like high speed rail, better health care services, especially for indigenous Australians justify heavy taxation. The economic policies are radical as the strong emphasis on the environment, infrastructure and improved social services relies on heavy taxes as well limited economic growth.


Some of the Greens’ economic policies include:

A progressive taxation system where those who earn more, pay more. This includes increasing tax to 50% for those who earn $1m or over
Lowering tax on small business to 28%
Removing Fringe Benefits Tax which promote increased use of motor vehicles
Removing concessional arrangements for Capital Gains Tax
Ensuring the mining tax returns to the proposed Resource Super Profits Tax, not the Minerals Resource Rent Tax
Introduce an estate tax, otherwise known as death duties, This is where individual’s assets are taxed when they die. Under this policy the family home, farm and small business will be protected with a threshold of up to $5 million. Australia had federal and state estate taxes that were abolished in 1979. Incidentally, the Henry Tax Review contained a recommendation for the re-introduction of an estate tax which the ALP rejected.
Abolishing the 30% Private Health Insurance Rebate in order to increase funding for public hospitals
Tax family trusts in the same way companies are taxed
Conduct an inquiry with a view to implement changes to the tax system addressing any negative impacts of the GST
Implement a shift in the tax system to place more taxes on natural resources and pollution (hence support for a carbon tax and the mining tax)
Implement measures at all levels of government to incorporate social, environmental and financial impacts into policy development and assessment (this is called triple bottom line reporting)



Other policies include:

ASYLUM SEEKERS: End mandatory detention for asylum seekers

EDUCATION: Every child in Australia to have access to at least two years of public preschool education & for schools funding to be placed on an equitable footing by reversing the excessive increases in Commonwealth funding to non-government schools in recent years

INTERNET: The Greens support the ALP’s National Broadband Network but oppose the mandatory internet filter (Cheat sheet on filter here http://www.mamamia.com.au/weblog/2010/07/mamamia-cheat-sheet-the-mandatory-internet-filter.html)

DISABILITY: Allow full tax deductibility for any aids, devices, special equipment or services that directly assist people with disability in finding a job.

PRISONERS:  Implement alternatives to imprisonment, where appropriate, including restorative justice and diversionary programs.

HEALTH: Make Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children’s health a funding priority, with a focus on community-controlled health services and additional community-based Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander child-care services

DRUGS: Introduce the regulated use of cannabis for specified medical purposes, such as intractable pain. Increase the availability of harm reduction programs, including needle and syringe exchanges and medically supervised injecting rooms and implement a rigorous scientific trial of prescribed heroin to registered users in line with the proposed 1996 ACT government heroin trial.

MARRIAGE: Legislate to allow marriage regardless of sexuality or gender identity.

GENDER IDENTITY: Establish intersex as a gender recognised by the legal system. Support gender assignment for people born with an intersex condition being made only when they are able to express personal sexual identity”.

FOREIGN AID: Increase foreign aid to 0.7% and create a separate minister for international development as well as an independent AusAID

ARTS: Increase funding incentives for artists and arts events to tour and/or establish  in rural and regional areas.

SEX: End the criminalisation of consensual adult sex workers.

INTERNET: The Greens support the ALP’s National Broadband Network but oppose the mandatory internet filter

http://www.mamamia.com.au/weblog/2010/08/the-greens-read-this-2min-cheat-sheet-before-you-vote.html
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Reply #1 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:25am
 
I was going to preference the Greens second, however in the Riverina there is a mine proposal for coal mine using carbon capture, as well as using the coal for gasification to convert into fuel.

This is located just outside a town called Oaklands, and the area has been gripped by drought for years, there is little work in the area and surrounding towns, and this mine would have made this struggling area vibrant again.  Well, the greens candiate for Farrer wants to stop the mine proposal, and put solar panels out on the farms, good one buddy, how many jobs for the community will that create?

Now its greens last, labor second last for me.
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Reply #2 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:31am
 
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A progressive taxation system where those who earn more, pay more. This includes increasing tax to 50% for those who earn $1m or over

as it is, those that earn more pay more.
increasing tax rates can be counterproductive.
grow up, get in the real world.

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ASYLUM SEEKERS: End mandatory detention for asylum seekers

SO, just let everyone in ?

EDUCATION: Every child in Australia to have access to at least two years of public preschool education
the system could not handle it.

PRISONERS:  Implement alternatives to imprisonment, where appropriate, including restorative justice and diversionary programs.

this is currently the case.

HEALTH: Make Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children’s health a funding priority, with a focus on community-controlled health services and additional community-based Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander child-care services

status quo

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Reply #3 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:36am
 
Verge wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:25am:
I was going to preference the Greens second, however in the Riverina there is a mine proposal for coal mine using carbon capture, as well as using the coal for gasification to convert into fuel.

This is located just outside a town called Oaklands, and the area has been gripped by drought for years, there is little work in the area and surrounding towns, and this mine would have made this struggling area vibrant again.  Well, the greens candiate for Farrer wants to stop the mine proposal, and put solar panels out on the farms, good one buddy, how many jobs for the community will that create?

Now its greens last, labor second last for me.



A national feed in tariff will cause renewable energy to boom.


How do you manufacture, transport, sell and erect solar panels, ... robots?


The progression to a Greens' low carbon economy equals jobs jobs jobs.

Also a cut is small business tax, from 30 to 28%, will cause more small business taking on new staff.


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Reply #4 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:39am
 
By opposing the CPRS the Greens made it very hard to build renewable energy projects—the certificates are worth nothing.

Greens policy is halfarsed, ideals put up but no reality behind them. that will make them worse than even the Libs policies a lot of the time.
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Reply #5 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:41am
 

verge Quote:
.......greens candiate for Farrer wants to stop the mine proposal, and put solar panels out on the farms,...


the stupid cretin, solar panels are the least economic energy producer
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Reply #6 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:41am
 
____ wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:36am:
Verge wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:25am:
I was going to preference the Greens second, however in the Riverina there is a mine proposal for coal mine using carbon capture, as well as using the coal for gasification to convert into fuel.

This is located just outside a town called Oaklands, and the area has been gripped by drought for years, there is little work in the area and surrounding towns, and this mine would have made this struggling area vibrant again.  Well, the greens candiate for Farrer wants to stop the mine proposal, and put solar panels out on the farms, good one buddy, how many jobs for the community will that create?

Now its greens last, labor second last for me.



A national feed in tariff will cause renewable energy to boom.


How do you manufacture, transport, sell and erect solar panels, ... robots?


The progression to a Greens' low carbon economy equals jobs jobs jobs.

Also a cut is small business tax, from 30 to 28%, will cause more small business taking on new staff.



Most small businesses are lucky to make a $100k profit a year.

Your 2% tax saves them a whole $2k.

How many people can you employ for that?
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Reply #7 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:41am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:31am:
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A progressive taxation system where those who earn more, pay more. This includes increasing tax to 50% for those who earn $1m or over

as it is, those that earn more pay more.
increasing tax rates can be counterproductive.
grow up, get in the real world.

Quote:
ASYLUM SEEKERS: End mandatory detention for asylum seekers

SO, just let everyone in ?

EDUCATION: Every child in Australia to have access to at least two years of public preschool education
the system could not handle it.

PRISONERS:  Implement alternatives to imprisonment, where appropriate, including restorative justice and diversionary programs.

this is currently the case.

HEALTH: Make Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children’s health a funding priority, with a focus on community-controlled health services and additional community-based Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander child-care services

status quo




A fair price for our resources from the mining sector will help fund education policies

Also Greens forwarded their policies to treasury for costing ... Labor refused.


Prisoner rates ... have they increased, or decreased during the terms of the Howard or Rudd/Gillard governments?

Aboriginal Health has been neglected ... if not, show Labor and Liberal Aboriginal election health policies.
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Reply #8 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:43am
 
Verge wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:41am:
____ wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:36am:
Verge wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:25am:
I was going to preference the Greens second, however in the Riverina there is a mine proposal for coal mine using carbon capture, as well as using the coal for gasification to convert into fuel.

This is located just outside a town called Oaklands, and the area has been gripped by drought for years, there is little work in the area and surrounding towns, and this mine would have made this struggling area vibrant again.  Well, the greens candiate for Farrer wants to stop the mine proposal, and put solar panels out on the farms, good one buddy, how many jobs for the community will that create?

Now its greens last, labor second last for me.



A national feed in tariff will cause renewable energy to boom.


How do you manufacture, transport, sell and erect solar panels, ... robots?


The progression to a Greens' low carbon economy equals jobs jobs jobs.

Also a cut is small business tax, from 30 to 28%, will cause more small business taking on new staff.



Most small businesses are lucky to make a $100k profit a year.

Your 2% tax saves them a whole $2k.

How many people can you employ for that?




Got a link to prove your statistic ?

or was it pulled from an orifice?
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Reply #9 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:45am
 
____ wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:43am:
Verge wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:41am:
____ wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:36am:
Verge wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:25am:
I was going to preference the Greens second, however in the Riverina there is a mine proposal for coal mine using carbon capture, as well as using the coal for gasification to convert into fuel.

This is located just outside a town called Oaklands, and the area has been gripped by drought for years, there is little work in the area and surrounding towns, and this mine would have made this struggling area vibrant again.  Well, the greens candiate for Farrer wants to stop the mine proposal, and put solar panels out on the farms, good one buddy, how many jobs for the community will that create?

Now its greens last, labor second last for me.



A national feed in tariff will cause renewable energy to boom.


How do you manufacture, transport, sell and erect solar panels, ... robots?


The progression to a Greens' low carbon economy equals jobs jobs jobs.

Also a cut is small business tax, from 30 to 28%, will cause more small business taking on new staff.



Most small businesses are lucky to make a $100k profit a year.

Your 2% tax saves them a whole $2k.

How many people can you employ for that?




Got a link to prove your statistic ?

or was it pulled from an orifice?

Its based on 10 years experience as a taxation accountant working with small to medium sized businesses as my core work.

Out of the small businesses, I could count on one hand the number of them that cleared $100k profit from their company.
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Reply #10 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:52am
 
____ wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:43am:
Verge wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:41am:
____ wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:36am:
Verge wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:25am:
I was going to preference the Greens second, however in the Riverina there is a mine proposal for coal mine using carbon capture, as well as using the coal for gasification to convert into fuel.

This is located just outside a town called Oaklands, and the area has been gripped by drought for years, there is little work in the area and surrounding towns, and this mine would have made this struggling area vibrant again.  Well, the greens candiate for Farrer wants to stop the mine proposal, and put solar panels out on the farms, good one buddy, how many jobs for the community will that create?

Now its greens last, labor second last for me.



A national feed in tariff will cause renewable energy to boom.


How do you manufacture, transport, sell and erect solar panels, ... robots?


The progression to a Greens' low carbon economy equals jobs jobs jobs.

Also a cut is small business tax, from 30 to 28%, will cause more small business taking on new staff.



Most small businesses are lucky to make a $100k profit a year.

Your 2% tax saves them a whole $2k.

How many people can you employ for that?




Got a link to prove your statistic ?

or was it pulled from an orifice?



It's hardly rocket science Green.

LOL.

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Reply #11 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:53am
 
Verge wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:45am:
____ wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:43am:
Verge wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:41am:
____ wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:36am:
Verge wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:25am:
I was going to preference the Greens second, however in the Riverina there is a mine proposal for coal mine using carbon capture, as well as using the coal for gasification to convert into fuel.

This is located just outside a town called Oaklands, and the area has been gripped by drought for years, there is little work in the area and surrounding towns, and this mine would have made this struggling area vibrant again.  Well, the greens candiate for Farrer wants to stop the mine proposal, and put solar panels out on the farms, good one buddy, how many jobs for the community will that create?

Now its greens last, labor second last for me.



A national feed in tariff will cause renewable energy to boom.


How do you manufacture, transport, sell and erect solar panels, ... robots?


The progression to a Greens' low carbon economy equals jobs jobs jobs.

Also a cut is small business tax, from 30 to 28%, will cause more small business taking on new staff.



Most small businesses are lucky to make a $100k profit a year.

Your 2% tax saves them a whole $2k.

How many people can you employ for that?




Got a link to prove your statistic ?

or was it pulled from an orifice?

Its based on 10 years experience as a taxation accountant working with small to medium sized businesses as my core work.

Out of the small businesses, I could count on one hand the number of them that cleared $100k profit from their company.




Yeah sure ... as sure as you saying you were considering voting Green LOL


pull the other one, it plays jingle bells.
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Reply #12 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 10:00am
 
____ wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:53am:
Verge wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:45am:
____ wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:43am:
Verge wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:41am:
____ wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:36am:
Verge wrote on Aug 19th, 2010 at 9:25am:
I was going to preference the Greens second, however in the Riverina there is a mine proposal for coal mine using carbon capture, as well as using the coal for gasification to convert into fuel.

This is located just outside a town called Oaklands, and the area has been gripped by drought for years, there is little work in the area and surrounding towns, and this mine would have made this struggling area vibrant again.  Well, the greens candiate for Farrer wants to stop the mine proposal, and put solar panels out on the farms, good one buddy, how many jobs for the community will that create?

Now its greens last, labor second last for me.



A national feed in tariff will cause renewable energy to boom.


How do you manufacture, transport, sell and erect solar panels, ... robots?


The progression to a Greens' low carbon economy equals jobs jobs jobs.

Also a cut is small business tax, from 30 to 28%, will cause more small business taking on new staff.



Most small businesses are lucky to make a $100k profit a year.

Your 2% tax saves them a whole $2k.

How many people can you employ for that?




Got a link to prove your statistic ?

or was it pulled from an orifice?

Its based on 10 years experience as a taxation accountant working with small to medium sized businesses as my core work.

Out of the small businesses, I could count on one hand the number of them that cleared $100k profit from their company.




Yeah sure ... as sure as you saying you were considering voting Green LOL


pull the other one, it plays jingle bells.


I was never voting green, I was going to preference them second, until I read in the last Saturdays Border Mail paper the greens position on that mine.

Knowing people out there and how much that area is struggling, I cant endorse the greens.

Like I said, I know first hand how much most small companies make, and its never any more than $60k or so.

If you knew anything about Taxation and the treatment of small business, you would know your 28% doesnt mean jack poo because a vast majority of small businesses are mum and dad partnerships, and are not covered by company tax law.  You would also know that the ones that do run as a company, by the time they take their salaries out which the pay tax on in their personal returns, the company usually doesnt make much more than $40k to $80k.

But heck, what would I know, I only did it for a living.
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Reply #13 - Aug 19th, 2010 at 10:10am
 
so who are you planing to vote for?


Liberal preferencing Labor ... or vice versa?
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