What wasn't as well publicised (in fact it's barely been mentioned in any Western media at all) about Iran's UAV program was that earlier this month, Western terrorists or their "sleeper cells" inside Iran murdered the head of the UAV program by bombing his house.

Israeli websites didn't mind publishing this information, knowing full well their "goy" allies would be too docile to even question it anyway, or too feeble-minded to even notice.

Iran's achievements in military technology are purely a case of playing catch up to counter the offensive posturing of other countries. It is purely defensive in nature, since other countries have been threatening them for decades. So developing these technologies is a must, and is better than not developing them, because they're most likely going to end up victims of the aggressive Zionist/Yank policies anyway.

Also keep in mind the U.S has invaded and occupies both of Iran's two main neighbours.... Imagine if China invaded and occupied NZ and Indonesia and was trying to impose sanctions on us... don't you think we'd be a little defensive too?

Come on think rationally... what else would any country do in their situation? What would you do in their situation?

This is what I predict your feeble-minded answer is going to sound like: "I'd be a good little world citizen, and submit myself wholly to the Zionist/Yank world order, and make myself their devoted slave, so they'd have no reason to threaten me".

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But they weren't getting any favours from them anyway, they were already getting threats, overthrown governments, installed regimes etc. So they've got little to lose... no?

You see when you've got nothing to lose, you might as well go for broke...

That's the situation much of the Muslim world is in now. They've been bombed, invaded, occupied, overthrown that often, that there's not too many consequences you can threaten them with anymore. As our Environment Minister once said "Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees".

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Which countries?

they have everything to lose, abu.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 12:19am:



Political Islam as a replacement for Kemalist nationalism is the glue that will hold Turkey together, in Erdogan's view. It does not seem to be doing a good job. Islamic solidarity was supposed to persuade the Kurds to behave themselves, along with a few nods in the direction of the use of the Kurdish language, which the Kemalists tried to suppress. The killing of 11 Turkish soldiers in raids staged from Iraq and the bombing of a military bus in Ankara show that Kurdish resistance has not diminished. Erdogan, previously so concerned about human rights and the Biblical injunction against killing, raged that the Kurdish rebels will "drown in their own blood".

Erdogan's political Islam failed to stabilize Turkey. It will contribute to instability in the region to an extent that is difficult to foresee. Iran now has the more reason to assert its influence in Iraq, perhaps by encouraging the breakup of the country and the emergence of a Kurdish state that might threaten Turkey.

Turkey, in turn, has all the more reason to agitate among the Turkish-speaking, or Azeri, quarter of Iran's population. Iran will use its influence among Turkish Alevis to challenge the Turkish Sunni establishment; Iran will encourage Turkish separatism. Meanwhile Erdogan's alliance of opportunity with Hamas undercuts the American-allied Sunni Arab states, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, not to mention Mahmoud Abbas' Palestine Authority.

With the United States in full strategic withdrawal, a Thirty Years War in western and central Asia seems all the more likely.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LF29Ak01.html

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 12:39pm:


It is a tool for peace, Insh'allah. It is a gesture of friendship.

Muslims who insist on getting even with Uncle do not understand the key lessons learned from the US's recent history.

It's not about superior military might, Beating Uncle at his own game is about playing on your own home ground and understanding, as Mao so elegantly put it, that the "weak shall overcome the strong." You beat Uncle by being lighter, more flexible, and being in there for the long haul. The drone in the picture is just a propaganda tool.

Why on earth anyone would defend the creation of a new arms race is beyond me.

Karnal wrote on Aug 25^th, 2010 at 12:41am:


Do you know - I have never quoted myself before. Mere plagiarism and vanity.

However, I also hate to admit I'm wr..., but I certainly am in this case. It's not my fault, of course.

The fundamental flaw in the above post (and the tone of this thread, I'm afraid) is the assumption that Iran is sticking it to Uncle. It's not.

What Iran is doing, insh'allah, is sticking it to Israel. But more importantly, it's attempting to cement its new-found hegemony in Central Asia. It looks like Iran didn't get the nukes it was after, but the only reason to have nukes would be to counter Israel. Which is a complete abstraction, because anyone who nukes anyone else in the Middle East will nuke themselves, as Israel well knows. It's all about bluff.

Drones look like a much better idea. As the US has shown, drones are an excellent way to fight a short range war, long-distance. You can fight from any laptop in the world, I guess. I could be zapping people right now if I wanted.

I'm assuming Israel's got a couple of drones hanging about - they have all the latest gadgets, I'm told, so of course Iran would want them too. But Iran isn't chiefly in a tizz over Israel.

Israel is merely political.

Afghanistan and Pakistan, however, are geopolitical. This is where the US is playing with its drones. Now drones don't seem to me to be a particularly defensive weapon. You fly them deep into an enemy's borders. I can't see how they'd be that much good if you were using them to defend troops or populations. Anti-aircraft fire would wipe them out pretty quick, and there goes your latest investment.

Iran doesn't want to put its hand down Uncle's pants in Afghanistan right now. That would be madness. What Iran's doing is getting in on what Uncle grandiosely calls the War On Terror, but which we all know is just a futile waste of time doomed to finish in a couple of years or so. A war without means or ends.

But Iran will still be there. Afghanistan and Pakistan will still be there. Now what else would Iran be doing with a drone? Continuing the US's gripes?

Hardly. Iran has its eye on its own game-plan in the region. It's not defensive or friendly, or even about Uncle, who everybody knows, is on the way out.

The future in Central Asia is Russia, China and Iran. Amerika still has a big presence in the region, but it's time-limited. Amerika doesn't have hegemony anymore. It can only hold on for dear life. But the others...

Iran has its eye on the big picture. You could say it's Iran's way of "moving forward."