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howto dismantle Gillard government
Sep 9^th, 2010 at 7:40am

Sellect a labour seat that has won narrowly in the last ellection. Than offer the winning labour member a good job ( if he knows howto think just a bit) than he would know that the present Gillard government can not last for long, so he would grabb it. Than the byellection would most likely go to the coalition. That would mean : one seat less for labour, and one more seat for the coalition. I find that such trick are used all the times in aussie politics, just as bribes are used to bribe independants, and even offering non-labour members a ministery jobs. By the way, the broadband has helped Julia Gilard to remain in the office, it is sure that broadband will cost her the office becouse it will take 8 years to roll out the optic fible cable. Only in 3 years before the next election, it will become apperent that broadband as we know it now, will become a grey haired donosour !

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49441 At my desk.	Re: howto dismantle Gillard government Reply #1 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 9:01am I think all MPs could probably double their salary overnight in the private sector.
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Reply #2 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 12:30pm

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 9:01am:

I think all MPs could probably double their salary overnight in the private sector.

They usually do don't they after all the grubby little deals and favours they do.

It's also a sad indicment that many in private sector management, admin and B.O.D's are vastly overpaid and certainly over-rated.

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aussiefree2ride Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3538	Re: howto dismantle Gillard government Reply #3 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 1:24pm The duplicity, dishonesty, envy and greed that spawned the Gillard Government will also be it`s downfall. It won`t be long before this Government destroys itself.
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Reply #4 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 1:55pm

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Only in 3 years before the next election, it will become apperent that broadband as we know it now, will become a grey haired donosour !

It's a big statement to say that there won't be any better technologies than fibre optics in the foreseeable future, but whatever the case, the broadband solution will do the job for a long time to come.

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Reply #5 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 2:08pm

As for Julia Gilard, I don't understand how can anyone trust her. and talk about stable government. The fact is that : Whatever is thrown at Kavin Rudd, by enyone or by julia gillard. She has supported him on every issue and sayed that she was very loyal to him. That was before she had the numbers to overthrow him. Than we all saw how loyal she was or is. As for economy record there is the fact that noone can change : they inherited huge surplus, and in 2 and half years created a huge defficit. And Julia Gillars helped to achieve that.

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Reply #6 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 2:12pm

Amadd wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 1:55pm:

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Only in 3 years before the next election, it will become apperent that broadband as we know it now, will become a grey haired donosour !

It's a big statement to say that there won't be any better technologies than fibre optics in the foreseeable future, but whatever the case, the broadband solution will do the job for a long time to come.

The problem ,amadd, is that it will take a lot longer than 3 years to build the 'broadband solution'....

I think it's sort of like painting the Sydney Harbour Bridge......by the time you get to one end, you have to go back to the other end and start over....

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: howto dismantle Gillard government Reply #7 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 2:18pm Quote: I think it's sort of like painting the Sydney Harbour Bridge......by the time you get to one end, you have to go back to the other end and start over.... How so? That's the idea behind implementing such costly infrastructure. Do it once (for a long time to come anyway) and do it properly.
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Reply #8 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 2:43pm

Amadd wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 2:18pm:

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I think it's sort of like painting the Sydney Harbour Bridge......by the time you get to one end, you have to go back to the other end and start over....

How so?
That's the idea behind implementing such costly infrastructure. Do it once (for a long time to come anyway) and do it properly.

Well...basically, to lay fibre op cable to 75-80% of houses in Australia is going to take about 10 years.....

And to say there will be NO improvement on fibre in the next decade is kind of like saying summer won't be hot.....nice idea, but almost certainly wrong....
And at it's very best, underground fibre cables last 25 yrs.....fibre optic cables run along overhead cables last around 10 years.

So if it takes 10 years to install all the fibre op cable...by the time you finish, you'll need to replace all the overhead fibre optic cable.....

And that is with out allowing for technological advances, that 'may' make fibre op obselete in less than 10 years...

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Reply #9 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 3:04pm

there is another competition, the wireless ! Remember the old telephone cables ? Countless trees had to be cutt, than thousands of tonnes of copper had to be used, than the wireless transmission was introduced. In the future there will be shift woward smaller and portable communication. that means,,,,, optic cable be useless.

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Cockney Doll Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 333 Queens Park.Sydney	Re: howto dismantle Gillard government Reply #10 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 3:10pm I don't know if this will work. If it doesn't 'll give the link/ It is an interesting interview on the future of broadband in this country
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Cockney Doll Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 333 Queens Park.Sydney	Re: howto dismantle Gillard government Reply #11 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 3:12pm No it didn't http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_podcasting&task=playaudio&id=29&f=10&It...
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Reply #12 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 3:23pm

Amadd wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 1:55pm:

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Only in 3 years before the next election, it will become apperent that broadband as we know it now, will become a grey haired donosour !

It's a big statement to say that there won't be any better technologies than fibre optics in the foreseeable future, but whatever the case, the broadband solution will do the job for a long time to come.

Actually, the CSIRO are experimenting as we speak, utilizing UHF and finding that they can split the frequency so it will carry data to more house holds and that it is as fast if not faster that future optic projections. It's cheap because the infrastructure already exists and it can be implemented a hell of a lot quicker than any optic roll out. It's also wireless.

This idea of putting all our eggs into an optic fibre basket is foolish for a nation such as ours. We should be relying on a variety of solutions that address cost, capacity and distance.

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Reply #13 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 3:29pm

Ok its time to explain something to all of you who do not know the bush situation here in the bush. I like to apologieze for my poor english, becouse I never attended an english speaking school, but I will tray. My computer connection is via satelite, and it works ok. But we have also the wireless connection but unfortunately we have only the telstra ,,NEXT G,, service. In the big smoke you can have ,,3 G,, and it is much cheaper than next G becouse telstra is not permitting competitors so they can we haveto pay with blood sotu speak. Before that nTelstra had the CDMA also its own desighn sothat no one could compete. Before the first and second sale of telstra, My computer connection did cost me $100.00 a month plus, that was dialup speed, pluss the modem connection each time I connected to the internet. But after the second sale of telstra the federal government, ( John Howard and Mr, Olsen put aside some money from the second sale of telstra , and We here in the bush were blessed with satilite connections, free installations pluss real cheak connectionsw. But there are still some single minded politicians like Barnaby Joyce who sayed that if telstra was sold, people in the bush would be worse of. If we only compare the mobile phones , our NEXT G with some optus ar wodaphone, or virgin blue we can notice that we are still ripped of by Telstra. Now please keep in mind that, If Julia Gillard ever succeed with the broadband, it will be made again to a government monopoly, and we in the bush will be ripped of again. This is the reality here in the bush. And the bog tham-tham is about the bush communications.

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Reply #14 - Sep 9^th, 2010 at 3:42pm

janko wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 3:29pm:

Ok its time to explain something to all of you who do not know the bush situation here in the bush. I like to apologieze for my poor english, becouse I never attended an english speaking school, but I will tray. My computer connection is via satelite, and it works ok. But we have also the wireless connection but unfortunately we have only the telstra ,,NEXT G,, service. In the big smoke you can have ,,3 G,, and it is much cheaper than next G becouse telstra is not permitting competitors so they can we haveto pay with blood sotu speak. Before that nTelstra had the CDMA also its own desighn sothat no one could compete. Before the first and second sale of telstra, My computer connection did cost me $100.00 a month plus, that was dialup speed, pluss the modem connection each time I connected to the internet. But after the second sale of telstra the federal government, ( John Howard and Mr, Olsen put aside some money from the second sale of telstra , and We here in the bush were blessed with satilite connections, free installations pluss real cheak connectionsw. But there are still some single minded politicians like Barnaby Joyce who sayed that if telstra was sold, people in the bush would be worse of. If we only compare the mobile phones , our NEXT G with some optus ar wodaphone, or virgin blue we can notice that we are still ripped of by Telstra. Now please keep in mind that, If Julia Gillard ever succeed with the broadband, it will be made again to a government monopoly, and we in the bush will be ripped of again. This is the reality here in the bush. And the bog tham-tham is about the bush communications.

Bullshit....10 years ago I had a satellite service in the bush...it was about $100 per month..it worked on satellite download and dial-up return...

And currently the mobile phone/internet system is 4G, not 3G....

You are talking absolute rubbish....that may be how things are in China....but not here...

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