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Re: the technical case for the broadband network
Reply #75 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 2:11pm
 
# wrote on Sep 14th, 2010 at 4:28pm:
Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 13th, 2010 at 5:34pm:
David, I think it's rather harsh to be calling qikvtec a troll. I can see where he's coming from in arguing the case for the keeping the existing copper network as a backup and although personally I feel he's beginning to clutch at straws in an attempt to argue his case, he does actually have a point.

I only have to look at my own situation. I live less than 40kms from a major regional centre yet my only option for internet is satellite. The satellite connection leaves a lot to be desired both in cost and reliability so I maintain a dialup account for those times when I'm waiting for up to a week to have my sat broadband repaired. It's just a pity that due to the poor quality of the copper network here it's a rare day when my modem will connect at speeds higher than around 19kps.

It was his failure to clarify past illogic when queried
and his implication that any failure is unacceptable that led me to my conclusion. The notion that any infrastructure should or could be failure-free is not one that any sane person would attempt to peddle.

Your opinion may differ, but that is classic Troll behaviour in my experience.

I find qikvtec an interesting specimen. He emulates a reasonable adult enough to deceive reasonable adults.



WTF are you on about here David?
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Reply #76 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 2:35pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Sep 14th, 2010 at 11:58pm:
Unbelievable, David provides some relevant information, and gets pounced upon by people whose position on the whole debate is entirely based on the fact that the political party they choose to vote for chose not to do it, irrespective of the arguments for or against.

Not so unbelievable, if you consider that some may have skin in the game. That said, if anyone's paying bobby for what she does here, then they're not getting value for money.  Wink
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The last point about maintaining the copper network as backup is not a viable option, and for those who have been so strident in their criticism of the NBN for lack of a business plan,

For economic justifications, the OECD has many, http://www.oecd.org/document/58/0,3343,en_2649_34225_44245946_1_1_1_1,00.html among them.
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then I think they should find out about the maintenance, and reliability of copper next to fibre.
I'll give you a hint, Fibre wins.

So while we can look forward to the coalition fanboys lapping up the drivel that Abbotts new attack dog on the NBN, Malcolm(psst want to buy some Ozemail shares) Turnbull(psst, I know this Godwin bloke, he is a whizz at emails, maybe we could put him in charge) we can also assume that his pledge to "Demolish it", is as stupid as his ridiculously ill conceived, and rejected policy to hand over 6 billion to private companies in the false hope that they will magically make the copper stop breaking down, and also work faster.

Turnbull may at least have some understanding of the issues. With luck, he'll concentrate of Labor's authoritarianism (as exemplified by the filter and proposals to monitor email and web access). That's a real weakness. On technical and economic grounds, he can't win.
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So keep up the good job David, and keep countering political BS with some facts, and just hope that eventually the bloody minded contrariness will wear thin.

Be warned though, the Libs will try the same thing as they did with the BER, and every time a truck breaks down, and a job gets delayed they will make hysterical claims about waste and ineptitude,

Funny you should mention that. Yesterday at http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/14/3011557.htm he was quoted as saying:
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I've already described it as school halls on steroids, and we can be certain the NBN will be to this term of government what pink batts and school halls were to the last term of government.

Just goes to show, with a politician who's such a consistent berk, you don't need to be prescient.
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and the fanboys will lap it up, but even so, we will drag them kicking and screaming into the 21st century, and wean them off their fixation about the viability of 19th century copper phone lines to see us through the future.


Observing qikvtec in other threads, I'm comfortable that his use of non sequitur and disjoint insults supports my diagnosis of him as a Troll.
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Re: the technical case for the broadband network
Reply #77 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 3:12pm
 
# wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 2:35pm:
mozzaok wrote on Sep 14th, 2010 at 11:58pm:
Unbelievable, David provides some relevant information, and gets pounced upon by people whose position on the whole debate is entirely based on the fact that the political party they choose to vote for chose not to do it, irrespective of the arguments for or against.

Not so unbelievable, if you consider that some may have skin in the game. That said, if anyone's paying bobby for what she does here, then they're not getting value for money.  Wink
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The last point about maintaining the copper network as backup is not a viable option, and for those who have been so strident in their criticism of the NBN for lack of a business plan,

For economic justifications, the OECD has many, http://www.oecd.org/document/58/0,3343,en_2649_34225_44245946_1_1_1_1,00.html among them.
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then I think they should find out about the maintenance, and reliability of copper next to fibre.
I'll give you a hint, Fibre wins.

So while we can look forward to the coalition fanboys lapping up the drivel that Abbotts new attack dog on the NBN, Malcolm(psst want to buy some Ozemail shares) Turnbull(psst, I know this Godwin bloke, he is a whizz at emails, maybe we could put him in charge) we can also assume that his pledge to "Demolish it", is as stupid as his ridiculously ill conceived, and rejected policy to hand over 6 billion to private companies in the false hope that they will magically make the copper stop breaking down, and also work faster.

Turnbull may at least have some understanding of the issues. With luck, he'll concentrate of Labor's authoritarianism (as exemplified by the filter and proposals to monitor email and web access). That's a real weakness. On technical and economic grounds, he can't win.
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So keep up the good job David, and keep countering political BS with some facts, and just hope that eventually the bloody minded contrariness will wear thin.

Be warned though, the Libs will try the same thing as they did with the BER, and every time a truck breaks down, and a job gets delayed they will make hysterical claims about waste and ineptitude,

Funny you should mention that. Yesterday at http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/14/3011557.htm he was quoted as saying:
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I've already described it as school halls on steroids, and we can be certain the NBN will be to this term of government what pink batts and school halls were to the last term of government.

Just goes to show, with a politician who's such a consistent berk, you don't need to be prescient.
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and the fanboys will lap it up, but even so, we will drag them kicking and screaming into the 21st century, and wean them off their fixation about the viability of 19th century copper phone lines to see us through the future.




Observing qikvtec in other threads, I'm comfortable that his use of non sequitur and disjoint insults supports my diagnosis of him as a Troll.


Evidence of said non sequitur?  Perhaps you are just too thick to understand their relevance.


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Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

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