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the technical case for the broadband network
Sep 9th, 2010 at 3:57pm
 
I suspect that while wireless may work for low volume like crackly phone calls, or for content where everyone is waching the same thing, if everyone wants to watch a different TV show or movie, in high quality, or communicate with each other over a high quality video link, you need a physical cable.

Something to do with bandwidth limits.

Fibre optics has been the best option for well over a decade now. Obviously it is possible that it could be replaced overnight, just as there was the possibility (now eventuating) that copper got replaced. Suggesting we hold off on fibre optics is like someone last century suggesting we stick with writing letters in case a new technology came along that was better than copper telephone lines.
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Reply #1 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 4:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 3:56pm:
I suspect that while wireless may work for low volume like crackly phone calls, or for content where everyone is waching the same thing, if everyone wants to watch a different TV show or movie, in high quality, or communicate with each other over a high quality video link, you need a physical cable.


Maybe you should check the CSIRO web site for anything they have to say on the matter of using UHF for wireless and fast broadband. I heard about it on the rural program on Radio National and was very impressed with what they are doing. It's about to be tested in Tas and then next year in NSW. Their tests it seems amount to a roll out of this new technology as country locals switch from UHF,VHF to digital. It is merely utilizing what already exists and works well.
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I heard about it on the rural program on Radio National and was very impressed with what they are doing.


So people who listen to AM radio think it works well?
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Re: the technical case for the broadband network
Reply #3 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 4:06pm
 
All true....However, spending up to $80 billion on a fibre optic network in Australia isn't going to change the bandwidth of the Internet in anyway at all either...

It will allow faster and better phonecalls within Australia, and may speed up 'local' business to business data transfers....but it won't affect international data or voice transmission by very enough to really justify the money spent...
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Reply #4 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 7:23pm
 
The international transmission is not the bottleneck. The local transmission is.
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Reply #5 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 8:13pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 4:03pm:
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I heard about it on the rural program on Radio National and was very impressed with what they are doing.


So people who listen to AM radio think it works well?


Well, I down load the podcasts from the Radio National web site. Is that more techno hip happening for you?

Really Freediver... most people don't dis Radio National. It's quality broadcasting.
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Reply #6 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 8:50pm
 
I can't help but fee that if Rabbit had proposed the NBN, Sappho would be lauding it.

I'm no expert, but I too am an avid ABC listener.  All the alleged www/it experts the ABC have hosted say the fibre optic Labor NBN is the way to go.
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Reply #7 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 9:16pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 8:50pm:
I can't help but fee that if Rabbit had proposed the NBN, Sappho would be lauding it.

I'm no expert, but I too am an avid ABC listener.  All the alleged www/it experts
the ABC have hosted
say the fibre optic Labor NBN is the way to go.


Pretty easy to control that information flow wouldn't you say?  (not saying that's the case here)

I am fairly confident I could find research to support smoking a pack a day; does it matter that it's sponsored by the Tobacco industry?

When a fibre optic cable is cut; you're fornicated; and that will happen with amazing regularity.

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Reply #8 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 10:18pm
 
Yeah my college had that happen at least once a year when they put up the fence for a party. They would drive a star picket into the same fibre cable. For some reason they never learned.

It was the fastest internet I had ever had, and they would have to cut the cable far more often to make me put up with something slower.
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Re: the technical case for the broadband network
Reply #9 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 10:57pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 8:50pm:
I can't help but fee that if Rabbit had proposed the NBN, Sappho would be lauding it.


Well you are wrong... as per usual. In another thread I posted...

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Actually, the CSIRO are experimenting as we speak, utilizing UHF and finding that they can split the frequency so it will carry data to more house holds and that it is as fast if not faster that future optic projections. It's cheap because the infrastructure already exists and it can be implemented a hell of a lot quicker than any optic roll out. It's also wireless.

This idea of putting all our eggs into an optic fibre basket is foolish for a nation such as ours. We should be relying on a variety of solutions that address cost, capacity and distance.


I guess freediver didn't realise when he split the thread that he needed to bring that post across too.

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I'm no expert, but I too am an avid ABC listener.  All the alleged www/it experts the ABC have hosted say the fibre optic Labor NBN is the way to go.


Can't be that avid, since you missed this broadcast.

Now I guess you're gonna say that the Director of CSIRO's ICT Centre is not good enough as a reference.
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Re: the technical case for the broadband network
Reply #10 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 11:52pm
 
I am a technical person so I'll tell you all the answer.

Fiber optic is the best way to transmit huge amounts of data long distances.

The radio spectrum is good for distributing the data once it
arrives at close to it's destination.

You can place 1000 times the data on an optic link compared to a radio
frequency - even in the microwave bands which are at Giga Hertz.
The light in the optic fiber is running at a frequency of Terra Hertz.
That's 1000 times greater potential bandwidth!
We don't even have the technology to fully utilise the bandwidth at this point in time
but we will very soon in the future.
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Re: the technical case for the broadband network
Reply #11 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 8:31am
 
That's 1000 times the bandwidth, per fibre.
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Re: the technical case for the broadband network
Reply #12 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 4:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 8:31am:
That's 1000 times the bandwidth, per fibre.

And the technology is still evolving. Hence the tenfold increase in capacity that caused so much mirth when announced. just before the election. Same infrastructure, more advanced technology.

The problem with wireless (OK, one of many problems) is that, particularly in urban areas, performance degrades rapidly as the number of simultaneous users increases.
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Re: the technical case for the broadband network
Reply #13 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 11:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 8:31am:
That's 1000 times the bandwidth, per fibre.


True.
I think there are 200 fibers in one cable!
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Reply #14 - Sep 11th, 2010 at 3:35am
 
I like really fast broadband, but what does it mean?
Streaming HD movies? That's not really important is it?

How will it impact upon us compared to what other technologies may be able to provide?
The price is upwards of $2000 per person. That's pretty huge.

We are also going increasingly mobile. For the most part, we don't even need that sort of capacity.

I really wonder why this has been made out to be a priority when it clearly isn't.

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