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Reply #15 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 11:51am

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 11:47am:

You have just as much control over how it is spent as you do over how it is raised. So how it gets spent is not a rational basis on which to decide how to raise it.

The fear of those three words is amazing Goods And Services

. I know what it's like to live on a fixed income it doesn't frighten me

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST. Reply #16 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 11:52am "You have just as much control over how it is spent" Not in the case of the GST, which is somewhat protected by agreements made in its' implementation. Nothing that can't be bypassed by the Parliament, but that would not be without possible PR problems.
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Reply #17 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 11:53am

While Im advocating levies how about we have Global economic crises levy to put to infrastructure, training and debt reduction.
I dunno..say 5% on the GST for say...2 yrs?
It will take pressure off interest rates as well as mean we come out the other end of the crises debt free and ready for the future

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Reply #18 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 12:15pm

Please delete wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 11:52am:

"You have just as much control over how it is spent"

Not in the case of the GST, which is somewhat protected by agreements made in its' implementation. Nothing that can't be bypassed by the Parliament, but that would not be without possible PR problems.

But the same is true of all tax and spend issues. You need to go through the politicians. So the point still stands.

The deal with the states is not a limit placed on control by the voting public over the spending. Rather, it is an expression of that control. The federal politicians who implimented the GST did not want to cede control over it to the states. Rather, the public did.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106554 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST. Reply #19 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 2:14pm In the last 4 weeks the Govt. made 4 x more money from the GST than I was paid for the work I did. If I lost my job I'd have to beg for a lousy $230 a week from Centerlink. What a ripoff.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49389 At my desk.	Re: Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST. Reply #20 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 2:18pm Quote: In the last 4 weeks the Govt. made 4 x more money from the GST than I was paid for the work I did. Are you trying to say you made some big purchases?
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Reply #21 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 5:12pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 2:14pm:

In the last 4 weeks the Govt. made 4 x more money from the GST
than I was paid for the work I did.

If I lost my job I'd have to beg for a lousy $230 a week from Centerlink.
What a ripoff.

You either got paid very little (your fault) or you bought some very expensive items(also your fault). So whats the problem?

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Reply #22 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 5:17pm

increasing the GST to 15% could be sold quite effectively as a revenue neutral device - now. but the value of a GST is that its broad affects remain while cahnges to other taxes have to be constantly updated to reflected changed conditions. IMagine that if in return for a 15% GST we received:

1) Lower income taxes that were mainly tailored to the lower income earners since GST affects most people relatively the same amounts
2) a staged removal of the Petrol excise over 3 years which would actually make petrol cheaper.
3) a removal of a whole swag of other insidious taxes like land tax and stamp duty on home purchases.
4) a small reduction in the company tax rate
5) lower superannuation taxes

We'd all be better off and initially it would merely shift the tax burden around but in the longer term it would ensure we dont have to continually tweak the system

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49389 At my desk.	Re: Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST. Reply #23 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 10:45pm Quote: a staged removal of the Petrol excise over 3 years which would actually make petrol cheaper You should ask the taxation experts what they think of that one.
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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST. Reply #24 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 10:49pm Abbott said... vote liberal to stop the taxes, so given so many of you voted ALP, I can only assume you wanted them? So don't complain.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49389 At my desk.	Re: Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST. Reply #25 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 10:54pm Mellie, when you have a limited number of choices to cover any number of policy issues, you cannot expect someone to support every policy a party has, even if it is their first preference. That is the nature of representative democracy.
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Reply #26 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 11:04pm

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 10:54pm:

Mellie, when you have a limited number of choices to cover any number of policy issues, you cannot expect someone to support every policy a party has, even if it is their first preference.

That is the nature of representative democracy.

I think it's called budgeting within ones means, this opposed to bribing every "BOB" Dick and Harry, to win an election you didn't deserve to win to begin with.

Someone has to foot the bill, and guess who that will be?

US!!!

They promise the world yet give us an atlas....honestly, who did you expect would pay for it?

The flipping tooth fairy?

Wake up, and stop trying to rationalise with what's already myth-busted before it's even got off the ground. It just makes you look even more sillier than you are. Either that, or you seriously need a wake up call.

You had better be younger and more ignorant than me Mr, or else I will never find it within myself to justify your apparent naivety.

Really.

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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST. Reply #27 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 11:06pm Bottom line, many of you fell for the stranger baring gifts...Tony Abbott was too conservative and realistic...pity, because you wont get what you bargained for at the polls, not at all. Learn! The more they offer, the more you need to concern.
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Reply #28 - Sep 10^th, 2010 at 11:47pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 5:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 2:14pm:

In the last 4 weeks the Govt. made 4 x more money from the GST
than I was paid for the work I did.

If I lost my job I'd have to beg for a lousy $230 a week from Centerlink.
What a ripoff.

You either got paid very little (your fault) or you bought some very expensive items(also your fault). So whats the problem?

I just completed the work required to put out a job worth $170,000.
The Govt gets $17,000 in GST.
It's not my fault that I don't get paid $17,000 for 3 to 4 weeks work.
The Govt. makes more than me sometimes.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST. Reply #29 - Sep 11^th, 2010 at 5:58am Increasing the GST when the cost of food, utilities etc are already skyrocketing would truly be the final nail in the coffin for the 'working poor', the under-employed, and those on welfare.
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