Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 
Send Topic Print
Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST. (Read 3967 times)
imcrookonit
Ex Member
*



Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST.
Sep 10th, 2010 at 9:03am
 

Increase GST, expert urges


A VISITING tax expert has urged Australia to increase the goods and services tax and slash other taxes to make life simpler for businesses and householders.

Chas Roy-Chowdhury, head of taxation for the British-based Association of Chartered Certified Accountants, said that at 10 per cent, Australia's GST rate was low by world standards.

European experience showed it could be increased to 20 per cent without adverse effects, encountering public resistance only when it moved towards 25 per cent.

He also said Australia's high headline rates of personal and company tax disadvantaged the country internationally, making it appear to be a high-tax country when it was not.

''If I was a multinational looking to invest, the high rates before deductions, offsets and exemptions might put me off,'' Mr Roy-Chowdhury said. He backed the Henry review's plan to eliminate most exemptions and ensure all types of income were taxed, which would make the headline rates lower at no cost to revenue, and Australia more attractive for investors.

''It also would be good for Australians,'' Mr Roy-Chowdhury told The Age. ''If you can see what you are paying, you buy in to the system; tax doesn't become a separate dark art you leave to other people.''

While increasing the GST might not sound popular, he said that if it was packaged with lower personal tax rates most people might find themselves better off.

The Henry review recommends that fringe benefits and employers' super contributions be taxed as income in the hands of recipients and that the fringe benefits tax exemption now enjoyed by charities be phased out.

It has published an indicative tax scale with only two rates for most people: zero for the first $25,000 and 35 per cent for everything thereafter, up to $180,000.

''That sort of simplicity is worth paying for,'' said Mr Roy-Chowdhury. ''I would advocate smoothing the way by sending anyone adversely affected a cheque in the post.''

Asked if he was suggesting bribing losers to accept the new system, he said transitional rebates had an honourable history overseas and were worth the expense.

He welcomed the Henry review's aim of making the system so simple that tax returns were not needed, but warned Australia not to go as far as Britain had done and make returns optional.

''In introducing a new computer system, the UK authorities have just discovered they have been collecting the wrong amounts of money,'' he said. ''People have been switching jobs so often it has overwhelmed the system.''
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
imcrookonit
Ex Member
*



Re:  Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST.
Reply #1 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 9:09am
 
Increase the GST.  No thanks, someone should tell Mr Chas Roy-Chowdhury to jump in the lake.  How would it work?, yes that's right a nice big tax cut to the already well off, and a few peanut's to the low income workers.  Just like Mr Howards never ever GST.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
mozzaok
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 6741
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re:  Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST.
Reply #2 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 9:11am
 
The fact that Labor never used a doubling of the GST by the libs as a scare tactic to use in the election, made me believe that both parties had this in their planning for our tax system.

I hate GST, and the whole removing other taxes theory is just bollocks, because they don't do it, we just end up paying more.
Back to top
 

OOPS!!! My Karma, ran over your Dogma!
 
IP Logged
 
Andrei.Hicks
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 23818
Carlsbad, CA
Gender: male
Re:  Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST.
Reply #3 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 10:03am
 
Firstly the ACCA is for dummies.

You do that qualification if you can't handle ICAEW (mine) or CIMA. Their exams are easier so I always take what their experts say with a pinch of salt.


In saying that, I do believe Australia's sales tax is far too low.
Australia has things ass-backwards. A high direct tax and low indirect tax.

I would like to see GST raise to 15-17% and a reshuffling of the tax bands on income tax to prevent brackcreep.

I'd also cap the top rate of tax at 40% so we can attract higher income earners to the country.

It does work. Mrs Thatcher did this in 1980 to great effect.
Back to top
 

Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination - Oscar Wilde
 
IP Logged
 
BlOoDy RiPpEr
Gold Member
*****
Offline


aussie-patriot.com

Posts: 2475
Sydney
Gender: male
Re:  Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST.
Reply #4 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 10:13am
 
I rather liked the GST, it cut sales tax on items from 40% to 10%, sure we have to pay tax on services and food now, but I’m not a fatty who required large amounts of food. and I’m quite skilled with my hands so I never require services. But if they wanted to increase GST to say 15% I wouldn’t mind so much as long as they end income tax. It would be a fair system for all as the more you spend the more your taxed.
Back to top
 

host of the aussie-patriot.com site
WWW  
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 49380
At my desk.
Re:  Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST.
Reply #5 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 10:28am
 
It was supposed to get rid of a whole bunch of minor taxes, that were effectively another form of godd or service tax. That would be a good thing.

It would also make sense to increase the GST and reduce income tax until a lot of people on lower incomes pay no tax at all. Wouldn't it be great if a lot of people didn't have to fill out any kind of tax return?

Quote:
I hate GST, and the whole removing other taxes theory is just bollocks, because they don't do it, we just end up paying more.


Isn't that ultimately up to you, the voter? They only got away with keeping the other taxes because voters let them. This is not a rational argument about shifting the tax base. Doing something incorrectly is not a sound argument against doing it properly.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Please delete
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Please delete this smacking
PROFILE

Posts: 2936
Re:  Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST.
Reply #6 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 10:36am
 
"because they don't do it,"

All of the taxes and imposts negotiated by Howard and Costello with the states were removed. None were not removed.

None.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
bwood1946
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1598
Gender: male
Re:  Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST.
Reply #7 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 11:24am
 
Please delete wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 10:36am:
"because they don't do it,"

All of the taxes and imposts negotiated by Howard and Costello with the states were removed. None were not removed.

None.


Increasing the GST is a very intelligent move.

If you go through the list of things that you actually pay GST on there is not a lot reducing personal tax would be a great assistance to low income earners it's not hard to do a list of what you pay GST on.

LIST

PETROL
GAS
ELEC
Electrrical goods
clothes
toys
services
new cars
etc etc
Back to top
 

TPI  VETERAN
bwood1946 bwood1946  
IP Logged
 
Please delete
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Please delete this smacking
PROFILE

Posts: 2936
Re:  Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST.
Reply #8 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 11:28am
 
So let me get this clear - the right wingers on this thread advocate lifting the price on just about everything, the proceeds of which are to go to the states?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
bwood1946
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1598
Gender: male
Re:  Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST.
Reply #9 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 11:40am
 
Please delete wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 11:28am:
So let me get this clear - the right wingers on this thread advocate lifting the price on just about everything, the proceeds of which are to go to the states?



And your point is 

Back to top
 

TPI  VETERAN
bwood1946 bwood1946  
IP Logged
 
#
Gold Member
*****
Offline


A fool is certain: an
ignorant fool, absolutely
so

Posts: 2603
Re:  Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST.
Reply #10 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 11:41am
 
Please delete wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 11:28am:
... the proceeds of which are to go to the states?

Good point. The GST is good enough or bad enough, depending on opinion, as it is. Additional tax on non-essentials (not to go to the states) might be worth considering.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 49380
At my desk.
Re:  Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST.
Reply #11 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 11:42am
 
How you raise revenue, and how you spend it are different issues.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Please delete
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Please delete this smacking
PROFILE

Posts: 2936
Re:  Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST.
Reply #12 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 11:44am
 
"And your point is "

Just trying to be sure you've thought this through.

And yes, the states patently need more money.

Since the GST came in, for whatever reason, no state seems to be able to provide the basics.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
bwood1946
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1598
Gender: male
Re:  Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST.
Reply #13 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 11:45am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2010 at 11:42am:
How you raise revenue, and how you spend it are different issues.


, How it is spent we don't have a lot of control over and there is no reason why it cannot go to the federal government to be used for infrastructure
Back to top
 

TPI  VETERAN
bwood1946 bwood1946  
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 49380
At my desk.
Re:  Tax Expert Says Australia Should Increase GST.
Reply #14 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 11:47am
 
You have just as much control over how it is spent as you do over how it is raised. So how it gets spent is not a rational basis on which to decide how to raise it.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 
Send Topic Print