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deepthought Gold Member Offline In Defence Of Liberty Posts: 2869	Re: Elite Private Schools Rake In The Profits. Reply #15 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 8:53pm I'm hoping people here are joking when they say that children who attend private schools are less deserving of support than children who attend public schools. What kind of people discriminate against children according to the school they attend?
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Reply #16 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 9:27pm

it is not equitable and fair when these schools are getting 3 , 4 , 10 x times the amount of funding that any state , private or independent school gets.. some cant afford the extortion of fees that is charged so have no option but to send to a state school .. does this mean these schools don't deserve the same level of funds .. imagine what each school could do with $9 million ...

no one is saying that these kids don't deserve it but the argument goes the other way as well .. if the parents can afford $20,000 per year good on them but dot expect the state school system to suffer because of it either ...equitable and fair you say i cant see that in the current funding state neither can anyone who reads the reports

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Reply #17 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 9:46pm

deepthought wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 8:53pm:

I'm hoping people here are joking when they say that children who attend private schools are less deserving of support than children who attend public schools.

What kind of people discriminate against children according to the school they attend?

That would be the despicably elitist-cum-draconian Howardian Era Libs - and their supporters!

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Reply #18 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 9:53pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 9:46pm:

deepthought wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 8:53pm:

I'm hoping people here are joking when they say that children who attend private schools are less deserving of support than children who attend public schools.

What kind of people discriminate against children according to the school they attend?

That would be the despicably elitist-cum-draconian Howardian Era Libs - and their supporters!

How so?

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Reply #19 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 9:56pm

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 9:27pm:

it is not equitable and fair when these schools are getting 3 , 4 , 10 x times the amount of funding that any state , private or independent school gets.. some cant afford the extortion of fees that is charged so have no option but to send to a state school .. does this mean these schools don't deserve the same level of funds .. imagine what each school could do with $9 million ...

no one is saying that these kids don't deserve it but the argument goes the other way as well .. if the parents can afford $20,000 per year good on them but dot expect the state school system to suffer because of it either ...equitable and fair you say i cant see that in the current funding state neither can anyone who reads the reports

Are you talking about total funding to schools? Or just federal funding?

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30111 Gender:	Re: Elite Private Schools Rake In The Profits. Reply #20 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 9:57pm Has anyone noticed how the private religious schools have all jumped on the labor BER scam and upgraded their schools. They couldn't get the freebies quick enough. They were quicker than a rat up a drain pipe to grab the handouts
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Binary Ninja Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 460	Re: Elite Private Schools Rake In The Profits. Reply #21 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 9:59pm only the FEDERAL funding under the SES scheme but even if you included state funding in every shape or form no one state school would get $9 million on their own
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Reply #22 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:06pm

Parents who send their kids to private schools are opting-out of the state public education system.

People who use private motor vehicles are opting-out of the state public transport system.

So, who proposes that the Federal Govt should disproportionately-subsidise those who choose to drive private motor vehicles, by way of large non-means-tested and effectively-exclusive cash hand-outs!?

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Reply #23 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:11pm

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Scotch College, which boasts facilities including a diving pool, 18 tennis courts and an observatory, had a profit of $14 million last year.

It received $4.7 million in yearly government grants.

* Diving pool

* 18 tennis courts - 18!

* Observatory

* Profit of $14 million in a single year

* $4.7 million in annual Govt grants

Obscene!

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Reply #24 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:14pm

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 9:59pm:

only the FEDERAL funding under the SES scheme but even if you included state funding in every shape or form no one state school would get $9 million on their own

Schools are paid per student, you do realise that I trust. The total is irrelevant as it is apportioned according to the number of students attending the school.

Where do your figures come from?

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Reply #25 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:16pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:06pm:

Parents who send their kids to private schools are opting-out of the state public education system.

People who use private motor vehicles are opting-out of the state public transport system.

So, who proposes that the Federal Govt should disproportionately-subsidise those who choose to drive private motor vehicles, by way of large non-means-tested and effectively-exclusive cash hand-outs!?

Are you proposing that children who attend private schools be discriminated against?

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Reply #26 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:21pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:11pm:

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Scotch College, which boasts facilities including a diving pool, 18 tennis courts and an observatory, had a profit of $14 million last year.

It received $4.7 million in yearly government grants.

* Diving pool

* 18 tennis courts - 18!

* Observatory

* Profit of $14 million in a single year

* $4.7 million in annual Govt grants

Obscene!

Obscene?

I'm quite amazed.

I had no idea people like you existed. This thread is a real eye opener.

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Reply #27 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:22pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 9:57pm:

Has anyone noticed how the private religious schools have all jumped on the labor BER scam and upgraded their schools. They couldn't get the freebies quick enough. They were quicker than a rat up a drain pipe to grab the handouts Wink

Weren't the funds offered to all schools?

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Reply #28 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:25pm

deepthought you can find them just google Elite school funding John Howard ..... SES school funding the problem being this cant be changed until 2012 / 2013 when it is next up for review ..

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/16/1079199222091.html

http://www.saveourschools.com.au/funding/government-funding-of-elite-private-schools-is-an-upper-class-welfare-policy

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deepthought Gold Member Offline In Defence Of Liberty Posts: 2869	Re: Elite Private Schools Rake In The Profits. Reply #29 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:30pm Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:25pm: deepthought found them just google Elite school funding John Howard ..... SES school funding You're not willing to provide the source for the figures you are relying on?
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