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Reply #31 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:37pm

mozzaok wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 8:24pm:

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it is equitable and fair.

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Ever noticed that right wingers only ever use the terms, "equitable and fair", when referring to middle and high class government welfare?

The ridiculous argument that taking funding away from the richest schools would cause a flood of Sebastians, and Samanthas into the public system is the most preposterous idea that these defenders of high class welfare call upon, and if any of them really believe that the parents who send their kids to these schools would send them to the local high school if Geelong Grammar raised its fees, you can tell "em they're dreamin'.

The fact that they believe that entrenching wealth to a minority by propping up institutions of elitist privilege is fair and equitable shows just how little concept they hold of the real meaning of those terms.

Ever realise that leftwingers describe 'equitable and fair' as taking from those who earn it and giving it to those that dont but abusing them for being well-off at the same time? Do you realise why people mock lefties? Its because you are so often the under-performing, over-complaining non-achievers that protest about the successful in our society and demand that they be brought down to your level rather than aspiring to rise to theirs. Or in short - LOSERS.

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Reply #32 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:39pm

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 9:59pm:

only the FEDERAL funding under the SES scheme but even if you included state funding in every shape or form no one state school would get $9 million on their own

it probably did not occur to you or the alarmist writer of the original OP that the funding maye have include tied-grants to particularly building projects - just as any and all schools get in addition to their per-student fees. My kids school - a very small school got over $1M for just this kind of project in addition to their regular funding.

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Reply #33 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:40pm

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:33pm:

posted above i cant post every link as their are hundreds going back to 2001 when johnny started this

OK.

In order to understand the equability of this you need to understand enrolment numbers too.

Have you established them?

What exactly is it you are opposed to? The SES model?

Incidentally there is nothing stopping the GALP from changing the model for funding. Jules committed to it just recently though.

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Reply #34 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:41pm

i didn't realise this quote from crikey rings so true about you comments on other voters .

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The Liberal and National parties have a profoundly successful ability at attracting a disproportional quantity of the most embittered, politically pungent elements of Australian society as supporters – a dark, angry, belligerent underbelly that believes the only acceptable outcome of any political contest is the one they believe in.

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Reply #35 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:41pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:11pm:

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Scotch College, which boasts facilities including a diving pool, 18 tennis courts and an observatory, had a profit of $14 million last year.

It received $4.7 million in yearly government grants.

* Diving pool

* 18 tennis courts - 18!

* Observatory

* Profit of $14 million in a single year

* $4.7 million in annual Govt grants

Obscene!

I live near the school. The school body is very active and raises a lot of its own funds - most in fact. and being around for 100+ years tends to help such matters. And as a non-profit orangisation it does not make a profit at all. any surplus over expenditure is put back into the school.

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Reply #36 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:43pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:06pm:

Parents who send their kids to private schools are opting-out of the state public education system.

People who use private motor vehicles are opting-out of the state public transport system.

So, who proposes that the Federal Govt should disproportionately-subsidise those who choose to drive private motor vehicles, by way of large non-means-tested and effectively-exclusive cash hand-outs!?

The difference is more than a little obvious. People dont 'opt out' of public transport. they 'opt-in' rather than do what the vast majority do which is to own their own car. We dont have the soviet model which is public-owned everything.

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Reply #37 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:45pm

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:41pm:

i didn't realise this quote from crikey rings so true about you comments on other voters .

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The Liberal and National parties have a profoundly successful ability at attracting a disproportional quantity of the most embittered, politically pungent elements of Australian society as supporters – a dark, angry, belligerent underbelly that believes the only acceptable outcome of any political contest is the one they believe in.

Are you looking at Equitist? Because I think you will find he is a lefty.

His envy and bitter hatred of private school children is amazing. I have never seen such angry discrimination and had no idea people like that existed.

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Reply #38 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:47pm

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:41pm:

i didn't realise this quote from crikey rings so true about you comments on other voters .

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The Liberal and National parties have a profoundly successful ability at attracting a disproportional quantity of the most embittered, politically pungent elements of Australian society as supporters – a dark, angry, belligerent underbelly that believes the only acceptable outcome of any political contest is the one they believe in.

Do you want me to say that the Labor party has a profoundly successful ability to attract criminals, rapists and child sex offenders? Because by any calculation, the long, long list of Labor MPs who are or have been in jail on very serious offences should be an acute embarrassment to all labor supporters. And I dont need to write an opinion peice and vent my bile and partisanship like this discredited crikey writer. I only need to quote the court statistics and the prisoner population figures. so how many ALP pollies are in jail for sex crimes against children????

and you dare to talk about Liberals and their supporters with a (literal) record like that!!!

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Reply #39 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:49pm

deepthought wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:40pm:

OK.

In order to understand the equability of this you need to understand enrolment numbers too.

Have you established them?

What exactly is it you are opposed to? The SES model?

Incidentally there is nothing stopping the GALP from changing the model for funding. Jules committed to it just recently though.

Their was something Howard put in place that stops the SES in 2012 until then it cant be amended from what little i have read ...

I don't think enrollment numbers would matter when you compare $300,000 which was ave state school funding to $9 million

The SES is supposed to be based on socio economic status but the rich seem to be getter the better deal double , triple that of the state schools and are not as disadvantaged as other schools .. the model is flawed ...

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Government schools are further disadvantaged because they enrol higher proportions of students with complex learning needs that incur higher costs. Students from low SES families, Indigenous students and students with disabilities comprise a much higher proportion of government school enrolments than they do in elite private schools. As a result, government schools face much higher costs than the elite private schools in meeting student needs. They have far more to do with fewer resources.

It was claimed that the SES funding model would direct government funding according to need. However, it has conspicuously failed in this regard. Rather than being a “needs-based‟ scheme, it is an upper class welfare scheme.

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Reply #40 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:49pm

deepthought wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:45pm:

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:41pm:

i didn't realise this quote from crikey rings so true about you comments on other voters .

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The Liberal and National parties have a profoundly successful ability at attracting a disproportional quantity of the most embittered, politically pungent elements of Australian society as supporters – a dark, angry, belligerent underbelly that believes the only acceptable outcome of any political contest is the one they believe in.

Are you looking at Equitist? Because I think you will find he is a lefty.

His envy and bitter hatred of private school children is amazing. I have never seen such angry discrimination and had no idea people like that existed.

ACtually, equitist is a woman. and calling her a leftie is quite generous. she is way, way left of the Greens and occupies a portion of the political spectrum formally inhabited by Stalin. an extreme leftie that hates wealth, private enterprise and the right to private ownership. And thats her generous side!

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Reply #41 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:51pm

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:49pm:

deepthought wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:40pm:

OK.

In order to understand the equability of this you need to understand enrolment numbers too.

Have you established them?

What exactly is it you are opposed to? The SES model?

Incidentally there is nothing stopping the GALP from changing the model for funding. Jules committed to it just recently though.

Their was something Howard put in place that stops the SES in 2012 until then it cant be amended from what little i have read ...

I don't think enrollment numbers would matter when you compare $300,000 which was ave state school funding to $9 million

The SES is supposed to be based on socio economic status but the rich seem to be getter the better deal double , triple that of the state schools and are not as disadvantaged as other schools .. the model is flawed ...

A) it can be amended. it is only legislation after all
B) so you want to compare AVERAGE public school support (which is wrong anyhow) to PEAK private school funding? public school funding is $10000 per child. does the average public school only have 30 kids?

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Reply #42 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:51pm

OK, I just had a look at Geelong Grammar's website (as an example). They have an enrolment number of 1500 students.

According to the article the first poster put up they received $6.3 million in grants.

That equates to $4200 per student.

I'm guessing that you dudes know that a state school student costs about three times that amount?

You ought to be thanking Geelong Grammar for saving taxpayers cash instead of spitting hatred.

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Reply #43 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:58pm

deepthought wrote on Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:51pm:

OK, I just had a look at Geelong Grammar's website (as an example). They have an enrolment number of 1500 students.

According to the article the first poster put up they received $6.3 million in grants.

That equates to $4200 per student.

I'm guessing that you dudes know that a state school student costs about three times that amount?

You ought to be thanking Geelong Grammar for saving taxpayers cash.

This will confuse them greatly because they are FACTS and they like to deal with preconceptions and emotions. It is much easier to abuse those who are doing well than to seek to emulate them. It is much easier to stay on the dole than to seek to become a successful business owner. And so the cycle continues and those who complain stay poor while those who work hard get rich. Guess who the anti-private school people on here are???

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Reply #44 - Sep 12^th, 2010 at 10:59pm

here is a chart i am trying to find the figure i saw the other day showing state school funding per year it is a lot less then you think.. 33 % compared to 68 %

http://docs.google.com/viewerpid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjMOrrpbiFadHBd2gVlBlsTjeGzyTWO8ZhKI4HU3ORAzi9mkCmhEDU6SJ0RT0pkeaOS4n8XzoW-mzVJ2XjmWvbCao9eCPRmiTQZceM00JiPT6dewl19ujF7bZaFXs4uoTt42Qvk&q=cache%3AlmGccTVGHTAJ%3Awww.aeufederal.org.au%2FMedia%2FSpeeches%2FRobAustOpin230104.pdf%20elite%20school%20funding%20Howard&docid=d50ccb38802fccca2f86028d8509b04e&a=bi&pagenumber=3&w=827

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