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Reply #45 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:18pm
 
JESUS CHRIST! I'VE BEEN OUT ALL AFTERNOON AND EARLY EVENING .. AND I'VE COME BACK TO SEE THIS BULLS HIT STILL GOING ON.

WHERE ARE THE FRIGGING MODS WHEN YOU NEED THEM ???


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Reply #46 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:19pm
 
Moz, my grandmother passed away in a palliative care hospital wing, one of the very best there is, there was soft music playing, she was surrounded by her children and grandchildren, who all under the advice of her palliative care team advised to stop fluids and increase morphine, to make her comfortable. We were advised that this would likely result in death, (mum and I knew this already,  being in the profession at the time)...mum more so as she is still in the profession, if indirectly, and this is a very regular and normal procedure, and yes, nan did ask us not to keep her alive if she was either unable to make the decision herself or was suffering, this and requested that she be let go so as to maintain as much dignity as possible.

We honoured her wishes respectfully, right down to the last second of her life.

We have no regrets, we know we made the right decision.

And no amount of narcissistic trolls will ever convince me otherwise.

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Reply #47 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:25pm
 
I guess, because mum and I were closest to her, this and being nurses, the rest of the family allowed us to give the go-ahead, but it was made very clear our immediate family, all of which were present right to the very end what increasing the morphine would do ...this and stopping fluids also.



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Reply #48 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:27pm
 
Mellie .. you do realise you just posted as yourself about yourself under the Meshnet id.

Umm unfortunately .. you've been posting under the Meshnet id ABOUT Mellie all afternoon and early evening.

Time to let this go. It's stupid now .. it's gone beyond stupid actually.

And it's sad.

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Reply #49 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:33pm
 
Lisa, if you cant contribute to the discussion thoughtfully, this and don't really have  anything meaningful to add to the debate, then perhaps this isn't the topic for you?

It's clear who the loons are here, you have made absolute fools of yourselves, again.

Only this time you all got caught red handed.


And re- my other handle, oh wow, big discovery there Lisa, hers an honorary subscription for the New Scientist among us,   dope.. Roll Eyes


Have another sausage, Lisa.



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Reply #50 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:36pm
 
Thankyou mellie, mind you, it would have been a lot quieter around here if you had worded it that way from the start, lol.

Mind you, I inferred that to be the case from your original post, and I guess I just give some people too much credit in believing that only a total cretin would not have.

Mind you there are people who are more than happy to just jump in and stir the pot, like aussie, he only turns up if he thinks there is  chance for him to throw a few kicks in my direction, and is still moaning about the fact that I was asked to help out with modding.
Admittedly it was only a year or two ago, so I guess it is still too fresh for him to get over. Grin

Mind you everyone hates the mod unless they believe they are on their side, and some people are bloody slow to work out I only have one side, and that is what I believe to be fair, and if the roles had been reversed, and mantra had been misinterpreted, and vilified, I would have condemned that in exactly the same way.

I am not pro legalised euthanasia, not because I do not believe people do not have the right to die with dignity, but because I foresee too much potential for questionable choices to be made, and I have witnessed the compassionate way that palliative staff care for their patients, and think they already do a fantastic job.
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Reply #51 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:38pm
 
JESUS CHRIST MELLIE .. YOU'RE MAKING AN EVEN BIGGER FREAKING FOOL OF YOURSELF NOW.

TAKE A FREAKING BREAK WOMAN.

LOGGING OFF AS MESHNET AND LOGGING ON AS MELLIE HASNT HELPED YOU A SINGLE BIT TODAY.

IF ANYTHING IT'S MADE YOU LOOK LIKE A DESPERATE AND UNWELL WOMAN.

GRRRR .. HAVE YOU COOKED DINNER FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR KIDS YET?

OR IS THIS STUPID TOPIC MORE IMPT ???

LISA
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Reply #52 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:38pm
 
mellie, who is meshnet? your very close friend I presume.
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Reply #53 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:43pm
 
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JESUS CHRIST MELLIE .. YOU'RE MAKING AN EVEN BIGGER FREAKING FOOL OF YOURSELF NOW.

TAKE A FREAKING BREAK WOMAN.

LOGGING OFF AS MESHNET AND LOGGING ON AS MELLIE HASNT HELPED YOU A SINGLE BIT TODAY.

IF ANYTHING IT'S MADE YOU LOOK LIKE A DESPERATE AND UNWELL WOMAN.

GRRRR .. HAVE YOU COOKED DINNER FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR KIDS YET?

OR IS THIS STUPID TOPIC MORE IMPT ???

LISA


You are completely out of line.
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Reply #54 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:43pm
 
And re- my other handle, oh wow, big discovery there Lisa ...

- Mellie finally fessing she was Meshnet .. sighs

Gawd woman ... all afternoon and evening pretending to be someone else and talking about yourself???

For goodness sake ...all for what??

What about looking after and feeding your family?

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Reply #55 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:44pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:36pm:
Thankyou mellie, mind you, it would have been a lot quieter around here if you had worded it that way from the start, lol.

Mind you, I inferred that to be the case from your original post, and I guess I just give some people too much credit in believing that only a total cretin would not have.

Mind you there are people who are more than happy to just jump in and stir the pot, like aussie, he only turns up if he thinks there is  chance for him to throw a few kicks in my direction, and is still moaning about the fact that I was asked to help out with modding.
Admittedly it was only a year or two ago, so I guess it is still too fresh for him to get over. Grin

Mind you everyone hates the mod unless they believe they are on their side, and some people are bloody slow to work out I only have one side, and that is what I believe to be fair, and if the roles had been reversed, and mantra had been misinterpreted, and vilified, I would have condemned that in exactly the same way.

I am not pro legalised euthanasia, not because I do not believe people do not have the right to die with dignity, but because I foresee too much potential for questionable choices to be made, and I have witnessed the compassionate way that palliative staff care for their patients, and think they already do a fantastic job.


Thank you moz, my sentiments exactly.

I shall come back in the morning, have to go and work on my daughters costume tonight...  (even though I cant sew for peanuts)...  I guess it's a very personal thing, I guess I just would have liked to have seen some thoughtful discussion on the topic (I did not start myself)....  but you know how it goes, when their snapping, they will snap at anything. Moz, you and quite a few others are worthwhile posters, you proved me wrong on the biased thingy....  I owe you an apology.

If our experience of palliative health care has helped some out there, then hey, this is a good thing, would have been worth it.

Cheers

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Reply #56 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:45pm
 
Thank heavens .. she's finally remembered she has kids .. sighs!
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Reply #57 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:47pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:45pm:
Thank heavens .. she's finally remembered she has kids .. sighs!



Heaven forbid that she actually takes time for herself.
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Reply #58 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 7:53pm
 
This whole topic is so sad and out of line.

And for you ex Yahooligans .. how many times have we seen this Mellie driven BS on Yahoo??

I know it got tiresome after 5 yrs.

In all honestly I feel for both Mellie and her kids.

My last comment on here .. Mellie can be so lovely (when she takes her medication) and  I'm glad and relieved to see she feels a tad better now.

Kind regards to you all.

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Reply #59 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 9:32pm
 
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So are you really asserting that from reading the thread, and her comments, you concluded that mellie and her mother stole morphine from somewhere, then colluded to illegally euthanise her grandmother at home, without any medical staff present, and then publicly convey that story to someone that had just related their sad tale of having to watch a loved one die a slow painful death in palliative care?


More strawman stuff Mozzaok.  No one said any of that.  You are making all that up.


She made it quite clear:

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At which point, we stopped fluids immediately (both my mother and I are RN's).., up'ed her  morphine which was essentially an overdose (to a level we both knew would result in respiratory arrest within minutes)..


There is an elephant right beside you Mozzaok.  Look.
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