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Reply #15 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 1:56pm
 
Dunno, I just see this whole exercise as being counter-productive, and I'm not exactly a fan of the burqa.
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Reply #16 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 2:25pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Sep 16th, 2010 at 8:04am:
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Thinning out the herd.


Something like 0.01% of Muslim women in France wear Niqab (ie. Burqa), so it's quite clearly very misplaced if that was the intention.

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f you don't like the country / town / street you have just moved into, then you can always go back to where you came from or move to a country / town / street more to your liking.


It's not going to cause anyone to move back anywhere, it's just going to cause resentment, alienation, anger and mistrust from both sides, which in the end is going to be a _source_ of heartache.


If that's the case (0.01%)...it's not really all that 'big' an offence is it??

Granted it restricts a 'freedom'..but it's not a 'freedom' that many people use though..

I still think it should have just been brought into line with motorcycle helmets......you know, can't wear them in banks or sensitive places, for security reasons.....and on driver's license photos and when pulled over by the police etc.....
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Reply #17 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 8:12pm
 
Some things just wern`t to mix, and western culture and islam are the perfect example.
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Reply #18 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 8:56pm
 
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If that's the case (0.01%)...it's not really all that 'big' an offence is it??

Granted it restricts a 'freedom'..but it's not a 'freedom' that many people use though..


So if only a small amount of people use a freedom, then it's not so bad to restrict it? For instance, if lots of people became nudists, and then the government decided you weren't allowed to wear clothes, would that be ok? Since most people don't use the freedom to wear clothes anyway?

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I still think it should have just been brought into line with motorcycle helmets......you know, can't wear them in banks or sensitive places, for security reasons.....and on driver's license photos and when pulled over by the police etc.....


Yep I got no problem with that, sounds reasonable enough.
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Reply #19 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 9:04pm
 
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I didn`t expect you to comprehend Abu, but these Muslims were originally taken into France


How do you know the story behind each and every Muslim??? An interesting fact is that many of those in the West who wear niqab are actually converts. Most of the women I know of in australia who wear niqab are Aussies. They've not been "taken in" by anyone.

You're nothing but a babbling buffoon. You've got no idea about who is an isn't a Muslim and what their story is regarding their living in a Western country. You're quite obviously very ignorant and xenophobic, unable to cope with any difference that you see around you. How often do they let you out into society?
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Reply #20 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 6:49am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Sep 16th, 2010 at 8:56pm:
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If that's the case (0.01%)...it's not really all that 'big' an offence is it??

Granted it restricts a 'freedom'..but it's not a 'freedom' that many people use though..


So if only a small amount of people use a freedom, then it's not so bad to restrict it? For instance, if lots of people became nudists, and then the government decided you weren't allowed to wear clothes, would that be ok? Since most people don't use the freedom to wear clothes anyway?

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I still think it should have just been brought into line with motorcycle helmets......you know, can't wear them in banks or sensitive places, for security reasons.....and on driver's license photos and when pulled over by the police etc.....


Yep I got no problem with that, sounds reasonable enough.


Well if 99.9% of people were nudists.......then, yeah..why not make nudism law??
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Reply #21 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 7:32am
 
Jaykaye_09 wrote on Sep 16th, 2010 at 1:56pm:
Dunno, I just see this whole exercise as being counter-productive, and I'm not exactly a fan of the burqa.


Don't wear it then. LOL - I agree that it's counter productive. The French seem to revel in grassroots instability though.

Mordre la main qui vous nourrit.  Rejoindre la révolution! Grin
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Reply #22 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 8:09am
 

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 16th, 2010 at 9:04pm:
aussiefree2ride,

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I didn`t expect you to comprehend Abu, but these Muslims were originally taken into France


How do you know the story behind each and every Muslim??? An interesting fact is that many of those in the West who wear niqab are actually converts. Most of the women I know of in australia who wear niqab are Aussies. They've not been "taken in" by anyone.

You're nothing but a babbling buffoon. You've got no idea about who is an isn't a Muslim and what their story is regarding their living in a Western country. You're quite obviously very ignorant and xenophobic, unable to cope with any difference that you see around you. How often do they let you out into society?


My post in full : "I didn`t expect you to comprehend Abu, but these Muslims were originally taken into France, and given refuge by the charity of the French people. Now the French are recognising their mistake in that the Muslims don`t respect, or appreciate the kind actions of the French, but hold the French in contempt as infidels, or lesser beings.

As with Muslims everywhere, immigrant Muslims carry with them the arrogant attitudes and beliefs that have made their own countries the hell holes they have always been, and will always be.

The lesson that the French, English, Danes, Dutch, Belgians etc. have, and are learning, is :- "Never invite a pig into your home, a pig won`t appreciate your charity, but will foul your home, leave the pigs in their stys where they belong". "

Abu, do you really think you are fooling anyone?  Islam will never mix with our culture, we are importing conflict.  The burqa is in the context of this discussion, a symbol of Islam. Although there are security, and decency issues with people creeping around in public with their faces hidden, the border issue is the overall compatibility of the two life styles.

Christianity has caused our western life style to advance the cause of humanitarianism, Islam suppresses it, and guarantees the continuation of that suppression through all the coming generations. 

To try to infer that near enough to 100% of Muslim immigrants DON`T come to Australia to escape the brutality and misery of their Muslim homelands is simple minded stupidity. Muslims bring their baggage to these shores along with their arrogant attitudes, and the guarantee of the continuation and propagation of a negative effect on our society.

"Never invite a pig into your home, a pig won`t appreciate your charity, but will foul your home, leave the pigs in their stys where they belong".
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Reply #23 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 7:03pm
 
And the Germans have already set that French decision to music!!


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Reply #24 - Sep 18th, 2010 at 8:54am
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 16th, 2010 at 8:12pm:
Some things just wern`t to mix, and western culture and islam are the perfect example.


So true. There were many situations where burqa was used to carry out terrorist acts and even bank robberies.
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Reply #25 - Sep 18th, 2010 at 8:56am
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 16th, 2010 at 1:03pm:
athos wrote on Sep 16th, 2010 at 12:54pm:
I think Muslim women should be protected from barbaric Islamic Sharia law and customs.


I`ve protected a few from loneliness while their master`s been down at the "little boy`s club".  Muslim women love a man who`s not an insecure fruitloop.


Generally Muslims have nice sexy fimale chicks.
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Reply #26 - Sep 18th, 2010 at 10:21am
 
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Most of the women I know of in australia who wear niqab are Aussies.


Me too. And the only Arab woman I know personally who wears the niqab is an Egyptian married to an Australian man.
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Reply #27 - Sep 18th, 2010 at 1:43pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 18th, 2010 at 10:21am:
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Most of the women I know of in australia who wear niqab are Aussies.


Me too. And the only Arab woman I know personally who wears the niqab is an Egyptian married to an Australian man.


I`d wear one too if I was intending to commit a crime, or wanted to do something shifty.
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Reply #28 - Sep 18th, 2010 at 2:43pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 11:56pm:
abu_rashid wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 9:22pm:
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I think the French have got this right. Acting with a little bit of courage now is the best way to avoid, or minimise future heartache.


Precisely what heartache are they minimising by this ridiculous law?


It's Allah's will, isn't it, that this law was passed. Isn't everything Allah's will? WHo are you to ridicule what Allah ordained, you naughty, naughty pseudo-moor.

Insh'allah, non?




Nice argument Soren!    Grin
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Reply #29 - Sep 18th, 2010 at 6:02pm
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 18th, 2010 at 1:43pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 18th, 2010 at 10:21am:
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Most of the women I know of in australia who wear niqab are Aussies.


Me too. And the only Arab woman I know personally who wears the niqab is an Egyptian married to an Australian man.


I`d wear one too if I was intending to commit a crime, or wanted to do something shifty.


Because people wouldn't pay any attention to you if you were wearing one?
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