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Re: French senate approves burqa ban.
Reply #90 - Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 1:29pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 1:15pm:

Nice kindergarten level insult there Roll Eyes

The point was, nobody is imposing anything on you. If you don't like the burqa you're free not to wear it. End of story.

Looks like I`ll have to spell it out for you. People creeping around with their faces hidden imposes a lower standard of social conditions. Could anything be more obvious?

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Reply #91 - Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 1:45pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 1:29pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 1:15pm:

Nice kindergarten level insult there Roll Eyes

The point was, nobody is imposing anything on you. If you don't like the burqa you're free not to wear it. End of story.

Looks like I`ll have to spell it out for you. People creeping around with their faces hidden imposes a lower standard of social conditions. Could anything be more obvious?

I don't see how.....
But anyway, I'm against banning the full body robes and veils.....
In some cases, I think they should be made compulsory.......after, there are some scarey looking, non-muslim people walking around out there who'd benefit from those fullcoverage robes....

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Reply #92 - Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 7:16pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 12:59pm:

'To you it is. To others it is the more moral behaviour. Neither can claim any absolute or objective moral ground on this issue. Our own society used to have very strict dress codes. It boils down to you imposing your own personal preferences on other people. "

No, it`s them imposing their garbage on us.

Imposing? You want to ban their clothing because you think it is offensive, but they are imposing on you? You turn the concept of live and let live on it's head.

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People creeping around with their faces hidden imposes a lower standard of social conditions.

No it doesn't. Not in any objective way. It's all in your mind. You could make a more realistic case for women wearing a low cut dress lowering the standard, but it is not standards you are actually worried about is it?

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: French senate approves burqa ban. Reply #93 - Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 7:39pm It is certainly difficult, to imagine so much controversial debate by the same proponents over the question of removing motor bike helmets and other hoods in public buildings... I have no doubt, that there is a large element of bigotry in the agendas of those who wish to ban the burqa...
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Reply #94 - Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 7:46pm

freediver wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 7:16pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 12:59pm:

'To you it is. To others it is the more moral behaviour. Neither can claim any absolute or objective moral ground on this issue. Our own society used to have very strict dress codes. It boils down to you imposing your own personal preferences on other people. "

No, it`s them imposing their garbage on us.

Imposing? You want to ban their clothing because you think it is offensive, but they are imposing on you? You turn the concept of live and let live on it's head.

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People creeping around with their faces hidden imposes a lower standard of social conditions.

No it doesn't. Not in any objective way. It's all in your mind. You could make a more realistic case for women wearing a low cut dress lowering the standard, but it is not standards you are actually worried about is it?

Yes, it`s standard of living.

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Reply #95 - Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 8:54pm

Equitist wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 7:39pm:

It is certainly difficult, to imagine so much controversial debate by the same proponents over the question of removing motor bike helmets and other hoods in public buildings...

I have no doubt, that there is a large element of bigotry in the agendas of those who wish to ban the burqa...

Exactly, Equit......and THAT is as far as the ban should have been allowed to go.....no more ,no less...

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Reply #96 - Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 9:38pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 8:54pm:

Equitist wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 7:39pm:

It is certainly difficult, to imagine so much controversial debate by the same proponents over the question of removing motor bike helmets and other hoods in public buildings...

I have no doubt, that there is a large element of bigotry in the agendas of those who wish to ban the burqa...

Exactly, Equit......and THAT is as far as the ban should have been allowed to go.....no more ,no less...

Crap.

Helmet wearers do not insist on keeping their helmets on, no matter where they are or what anyone else thinks or says.

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Reply #97 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 2:14am

Equitist wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 7:39pm:

It is certainly difficult, to imagine so much controversial debate by the same proponents over the question of removing motor bike helmets and other hoods in public buildings...

I have no doubt, that there is a large element of bigotry in the agendas of those who wish to ban the burqa...

Bigotry? That`s idiotic, I wear a full face helmet while riding, but nowhere else, for the same reasons that the burqa should be banned.

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Reply #98 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 9:47pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 1:15pm:

Nice kindergarten level insult there Roll Eyes

The point was, nobody is imposing anything on you. If you don't like the burqa you're free not to wear it. End of story.

Er.... not quite.

British schools where girls must wear the Islamic veil
Hundreds of girls are bring forced by British schools to wear the Islamic veil in a move which has been heavily criticised by mainstream Muslims.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8038820/British-schools-where...

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Reply #99 - Oct 5^th, 2010 at 7:44am

Soren wrote on Oct 4^th, 2010 at 9:47pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 1:15pm:

Nice kindergarten level insult there Roll Eyes

The point was, nobody is imposing anything on you. If you don't like the burqa you're free not to wear it. End of story.

Er.... not quite.

British schools where girls must wear the Islamic veil
Hundreds of girls are bring forced by British schools to wear the Islamic veil in a move which has been heavily criticised by mainstream Muslims.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8038820/British-schools-where...

Get your 'freedom sack' on kids.
It will do wonders for their self asteem.

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Re: French senate approves burqa ban.
Reply #100 - Oct 5^th, 2010 at 7:50am

Soren wrote on Oct 4^th, 2010 at 9:47pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 1:15pm:

Nice kindergarten level insult there Roll Eyes

The point was, nobody is imposing anything on you. If you don't like the burqa you're free not to wear it. End of story.

Er.... not quite.

British schools where girls must wear the Islamic veil
Hundreds of girls are bring forced by British schools to wear the Islamic veil in a move which has been heavily criticised by mainstream Muslims.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8038820/British-schools-where...

Soren, AA obviously doesn`t grasp the concept of freedom, and a free living society. This is what I tried to convey by the light rebuke of her shallow thinking. There are those, immigrants and weak minded Australians, who would love to turn this beautiful country into a poo hole like Baghdad or similar. The immigrants have this mindset out of ignorance, and a lack of respect for Australia, the Australians are simply air headed, shallow thinkers.

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Reply #101 - Oct 5^th, 2010 at 11:44am

Soren, in that case the girls are being forced by their parents to wear the burqa as it is the parents who choose to send their daughters to that school.

There is a big difference between stripping a person of their right to cover if they wish and allowing anybody to force them to.

Aussiefree2ride, if the racist crap you spew here is evidence of deep thought, give me shallow anytime.

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Re: French senate approves burqa ban.
Reply #102 - Oct 5^th, 2010 at 12:22pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 5^th, 2010 at 11:44am:

Soren, in that case the girls are being forced by their parents to wear the burqa as it is the parents who choose to send their daughters to that school.

There is a big difference between stripping a person of their right to cover if they wish and allowing anybody to force them to.

Aussiefree2ride, if the racist crap you spew here is evidence of deep thought, give me shallow anytime.

It's the school that prescribes the covering - i.e. it is intitutional. A parallel institutionality. It is an institutional accommodation of parental bigotry, hostility and separatism.

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Re: French senate approves burqa ban.
Reply #103 - Oct 5^th, 2010 at 12:38pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 5^th, 2010 at 11:44am:

Soren, in that case the girls are being forced by their parents to wear the burqa as it is the parents who choose to send their daughters to that school.

There is a big difference between stripping a person of their right to cover if they wish and allowing anybody to force them to.

Aussiefree2ride, if the racist crap you spew here is evidence of deep thought, give me shallow anytime.

Racist crap? Give me one example?
It`s not racist to not want one`s country to resemble any one of thousands of Middle Eastern cess pits. Wake up AA, you don`t know how lucky you are to live here.

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Reply #104 - Oct 5^th, 2010 at 9:27pm

aussiefree2ride wrote on Oct 4^th, 2010 at 2:14am:

Equitist wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2010 at 7:39pm:

It is certainly difficult, to imagine so much controversial debate by the same proponents over the question of removing motor bike helmets and other hoods in public buildings...

I have no doubt, that there is a large element of bigotry in the agendas of those who wish to ban the burqa...

Bigotry? That`s idiotic, I wear a full face helmet while riding, but nowhere else, for the same reasons that the burqa should be banned.

The burqa should be banned because motorbike helmets are uncomfortable?

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Soren, AA obviously doesn`t grasp the concept of freedom, and a free living society.

Do you think banning the burqa protects freedom?

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