For the perdy yellow top bin of course.

BTW

Hi froggie 

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 9:06pm:



Not sure if the plan changed but they were going to scuttle the HMAS Adelaide off Terrigal to create an atificial reef and dive site.

Life_goes_on wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 9:16pm:



You assume correctly, life....

I know the reason WHY I recycle, but I question the validity of doing so when this quantity of steel is "DUMPED".

It could be reclaimed at a far cheaper cost than making new steel from scratch.

Though I do suppose it beats dumping it into landfill. 

Lobo wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 9:26pm:


The value it creates in tourism, particularly diving, far exceeds the scrap value of the steel.  It is effectively recycling it, just not into steel.

reduce, re-use, recycle - in that order

The scuttling is a re-use, which is better than recycling.

Oh my  this Thread is just tooooooooooo good to resist.

Maybe you might know me Froggie, from a previous Forum: DiveOz ?
...Blue Hawrasse, ring a Bell?

Now this is a subject that got me Banned from that Forum.

I dissagreed with the 'exploitation' of the words ARTIFICIAL REEF,
for the selfish gain of the Recreational Dive Industry and Wreck enthusiasts. Hence I got banned.

In my mind, these Ex-Naval Ships being 'dumped' are not for 'environmental' reasons. Placing the X-Adelaide just outside of the Dive Club along the north Coast of Sydney is not for the benefit of the aquatic life there. Its for the greedy $$$ (ching-ching-ching) of Tourism.
VARS - Victorian Artificial Reef Society, endorse such procedures under the motto "Trash for Treasure", so again the exploitation of 'Environmentalism' for Tourism financial gain is used. Its like driving a car without a muffler - but hey, its ok, the vehicle has a "Save the Environment" sticker on it.

All around the world giant Barges take tonnes and tonnes of Rubbish (mostly from USA/Nippon) and dump it out into the far deep ocean ...never to be seen again.

The concept of an Artificial Reef is incorrectly used by Australian Recreational Dive Industry. Why just stop at Ex-Naval Ships? Why not dump old Buicks, Shopping Trolleys and anything else not really needed?
Obviously there is not serious consideration for Aquatic Life at all.
If there was, then SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED  structures and objects would be put into place for the benefit of Aquatic Life as a 'priority' before the recreational pleasure of a Dive tourist.
...but there isn't.

EVERYTHING IS JUST WRONG.

I hope the Ex-Adelaide will not be sunk, and I'm sure the Residents of Avoca would prefer to keep their nice beach the way it is.

The 'scam' of justifying $$$millions in Preparation of Dumping Wrecks is a farce too. Many boats/ships are dumped in deep ocean trenches as quietly as possibly around the world. There is no 'preparation' for these. They say the X-Adelaide has to be 'stripped' bare for OH&S reasons, but its not like they are banning Divers from diving 'authentic' Wrecks that have everything attached. In fact many Divers who make a living documenting authentic Wrecks don't like it when these Wrecks are pillaged of their artifacts. Well maybe it is OH&S Divers cleaning them out (lol)?

Anyway, I think it is a cop-out to dump the ex-naval ship HMAS Adelaide, amongst others under the pretence of 'Environmental' concerns - just for Recreational Dive Tourism. Some 'dumped' Wrecks do attract an abundance of Aquatic Life, but many others barely attract the odd school of fish.
Like I said - this just leaves the door open for everyone to 'dump' stuff in the Ocean and justifies those barges dumping mega-tonnes of rubbish too.

Jason (formerly known as Blue Hawrasse upon DiveOz)