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Gillard breaks carbon pre-electoral promise
Sep 17th, 2010 at 8:49am
 
Gillard warms to carbon tax (00:00)

After ruling it out in the election, Prime Minister Julia Gillard is proposing the introduction of a new carbon tax.
17/09/10


http://media.theage.com.au/national/selections/gillard-warms-to-carbon-tax-19323...


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The federal opposition said the comment showed the government was breaking a pre-election promise to reject a new tax, the Australian Financial Review reported.


http://af.reuters.com/article/metalsNews/idAFSGE68F0KC20100916
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Reply #1 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 9:04am
 
BHP will monopolise the mining industry, this is why a carbon tax suits them and is also why they are happy to oblige. Recall, their having struck a deal with the ALP before the election?

Gillard lied, if you watch the above clip, you will see how she has changed her stance on a carbon-tax within weeks after the election.

Gillards hand-picked environmental committee is biased, and not one of our 'said' independents are questioning the ALP's decision to push through with a carbon tax despite their having been opposed to it in accordance with their electorates prior to becoming king-makers.

This is a dangerous far-left government out of control.

Clearly Australians don't care where their electricity comes from,(Foreignly owned company or not)... but after this carbon-tax is imposed, I think they may care about their having to pay twice as much for it within the next 3 years.


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Reply #2 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 10:16am
 
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“There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead”


                                             
Julia Gillard (aka con-artist)……A few weeks ago before the election.

Ok, here we have Greens opposing the mining of uranium, though are happy with a carbon tax all the same.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/greens-push-against-uranium-min...

Gillard is aware  BHP want the carbon-tax in exchange for their right to peruse uranium mining.  Basically, Gillard has said, Ok,  you agree to the carbon-tax 'today' BHP, and you can have the uranium tomorrow. ...even if the Greens only think it's the carbon-tax that's on the agenda.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/canadians-take-on-bhp-in-uranium-mine-race-201009...



Grin Straight over their heads...*Swooosh*

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/bhps-move-puts-carbon-tax-ba...


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Reply #3 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 11:20am
 
as said in the other thread where you posted this


Labor, Like Liberals ... did not win government ... so have no mandate


Both old parties now have to start from scratch and work with the cross bench.



Meanwhile Liberals Oppose A Carbon Price because they are anti Australians financial wealth.

Liberals want all Australians punished because they were not elected.

Liberals are bad losers
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Reply #4 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 11:25am
 
Meanwhile, Greens back Gillard having broken her pre-electoral promise on carbon-tax, this and condone BHP's desire to mine uranium, the stuff Greens claim to hate most?

Hypocrites much?


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Gillard is aware  BHP want the carbon-tax in exchange for their right to peruse uranium mining.  Basically, Gillard has said, Ok,  you agree to the carbon-tax 'today' BHP, and you can have the uranium tomorrow. ...even if the Greens only think it's the carbon-tax that's on the agenda.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/canadians-take-on-bhp-in-uranium-mine-race-201009...


Cant have your yellow cake and eat it too Greens!

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Reply #5 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 11:30am
 
Time to put the miners in charge. Let the mining industry run the country?  Perhaps it is time to end the charade and install Mr. Kloppers, Mr. Palmer
or Mr. Forrest as our “Prime Miner” in chief?





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Reply #6 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 11:32am
 
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Time to put the miners in charge. Let the mining industry run the country?  Perhaps it is time to end the charade and install Mr. Kloppers, Mr. Palmer
or Mr. Forrest as our “Prime Miner” in chief?

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So you are happy to listen to the miners when it suits your agenda.
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Reply #7 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 11:48am
 
So you are happy to listen to the miners when it suits your agenda.
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Im not listening to  the miners  - see it more as  giving in .
And ,  why not .  Sometimes the fight is to hard.

The miners have already 'shown control'  as I have seen  much more so of late..
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Reply #8 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 8:33pm
 
Sounds good to me.

Gillard's promise is one thing. The will of the people is another thing entirely. It is good to see the election outcome forcing her to listen to the people.
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Reply #9 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 8:42pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 17th, 2010 at 8:33pm:
Sounds good to me.

Gillard's promise is one thing. The will of the people is another thing entirely. It is good to see the election outcome forcing her to listen to the people.


I'm not sure I have much trust in the 'will of the people' concept anymore. IM sure the voters in the indendants electorates have hte same concern. Whgen 'wil of the people' turns into the 'will of the MP' we lose much more in the long-term than any small group of people iwn in the short-term.
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Reply #10 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 8:50pm
 
I agree entirely. I support direct democracy through voting by delegable proxy. If we had that we would have had a price on carbon a long time ago.

Given the shortcomings of our democracy, forcing Gillard's hand this way will have to do.
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Reply #11 - Sep 18th, 2010 at 12:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 17th, 2010 at 8:50pm:
I agree entirely. I support direct democracy through voting by delegable proxy. If we had that we would have had a price on carbon a long time ago.

Given the shortcomings of our democracy, forcing Gillard's hand this way will have to do.


Do you see the hypocrisy in your position? You believe in direct democracy because you think (although evidence is against you) that you wil get a carbon tax that way. but you accept the inherently UNDEMOCRATIC notion of 81% of the people voting for parties that oppose a carbon tax and stil being overridden - because you support the policy?

not exactly a position of PRINCIPLE, is it?
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You believe in direct democracy because you think (although evidence is against you) that you wil get a carbon tax that way.


The evidence is not against me.

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but you accept the inherently UNDEMOCRATIC notion of 81% of the people voting for parties that oppose a carbon tax and stil being overridden - because you support the policy?


Voting for a party does not mean you support every minutia of their policy. Most people who support a carbon trading scheme also support a carbon tax.

If you want to know what people think of a particular issue, ask them what they think of the particular issue. Plenty of people have done this.
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Reply #13 - Sep 18th, 2010 at 1:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 18th, 2010 at 12:55pm:
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You believe in direct democracy because you think (although evidence is against you) that you wil get a carbon tax that way.


The evidence is not against me.

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but you accept the inherently UNDEMOCRATIC notion of 81% of the people voting for parties that oppose a carbon tax and stil being overridden - because you support the policy?


Voting for a party does not mean you support every minutia of their policy. Most people who support a carbon trading scheme also support a carbon tax.

If you want to know what people think of a particular issue, ask them what they think of the particular issue. Plenty of people have done this.


Polls taken on a carbon tax do not come down in favour of it when the WHOLE issue is explained - eg price increases. Direct Democracy is an interesting concept I agree. I just found it interesting that you were willing to accept having a carbon tax foreced on us when both major parties were 100% against it and 81% of the population voted for them. on the evidence to date, a carbon tax is comprehensively rejected. you could hold an election on the topic - oops! just did that! - or hold a referendum. but to bring forward a carbon tax now would be more comprehensively undemocratic than WorkChoices ever was. Howard had no mandate for WorkChoices but Gillard actually has a mandate for NO CARBON TAX. thats at least twice as bad as the workchoices mis-step.
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Polls taken on a carbon tax do not come down in favour of it when the WHOLE issue is explained - eg price increases.


Are you seriously suggesting that people are unaware that taxing carbon will increase the price?

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I just found it interesting that you were willing to accept having a carbon tax foreced on us when both major parties were 100% against it and 81% of the population voted for them.


But that is the whole point of direct democracy. It avoids the absurdity of people claiming that because 81% of the population voted for major parties it must mean that 81% of the population opposes any policy that is not supported by the major parties. Their is no contradiction or hypocrisy at all. it completely supports my position.
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