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Sep 19th, 2010 at 1:40pm
 
Mellie et al have been busy claiming that the majority of Australians don't believe in global warming and that action by the federal government would be undemocratic. This is not true. Mellie's argument falls apart on simple maths and logic.

The poll that Mellie is using:

http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2010/4459/

Shows that only 46% of Australians support the CPRS. This is not to say that the majoirty oppose action or that it would be undemocratic. An additional 5% said it didn't go far enough and 14% of respondents said they don't understand the legislation. Remember, this is the legislation that the greens opposed and blocked in the senate.

On the more general question, 54% of Australians believe that if we don't act now it will be too late. On top of this, and additional 12% say it is already too late and 3% are undecided. Less than one third of respondents believed the claims about global warming to be exagerated.

From buzz, a more recent poll showing 86% support action:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1284677368/36#36

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Mellie:

mellie wrote on Sep 18th, 2010 at 9:21pm:
Only 44%  of Australians believe in it


mellie wrote on Sep 19th, 2010 at 12:40pm:
Due to the nature of a hung government attempting to pass a carbon-tax without so much as a mandate, we should hold a referendum.

Fair?... Especially considering only some 44% of the country believe in AGW. ..Man-made global warming.


mellie wrote on Sep 19th, 2010 at 12:54pm:
You just cant pass a tax some 56% of the country believe is unjustified....


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1284677368/26#26

longweekend:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1284677368/13#13
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Re: polls on global warming
Reply #1 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 1:42pm
 
Do you think they are actually going to listen to you?
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Reply #2 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 1:45pm
 
What I am concerned about is whether people listen to them.
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Reply #3 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 1:46pm
 
I think she has always been preaching to the choir.
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Reply #4 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 1:48pm
 
The most recent poll data was taken from a poll by the Lowy Institute - mid 2010



It found ...

46% believe global warming is a significant and pressing problem
We should be taking steps now even if it involves significant cost

40% believe the problem of global warming should be addressed, but gradually by taking steps that are low in cost

13% believe until we are sure that global warming is a problem we should not take any steps that would have an economic cost






86% - climate change believers
13% - climate change deniers



Lowy Institute graph, 2006 -2010

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/files/2010/05/lowygw1.PNG

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Reply #5 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 1:55pm
 
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13% believe until we are sure that global warming is a problem we should not take any steps that would have an economic cost


I would call them conservatives or fence sitters rather than deniers. I also think we should be very careful about how we respond and the responses I promote would initially have very little economic impact.
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Reply #6 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 2:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2010 at 1:45pm:
What I am concerned about is whether people listen to them.


No one takes mellie seriously except mellie.
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Reply #7 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 6:13pm
 
freediver, mellie is a fruit loop and you know it, and her only value here is to bung up the Board post count so more dollars find their way into your pocket.

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Reply #8 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 6:22pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 19th, 2010 at 6:13pm:
freediver, mellie is a fruit loop and you know it, and her only value here is to bung up the Board post count so more dollars find their way into your pocket.

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Reply #9 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 6:26pm
 
Morgan poll
Now only 46% (down 4% since November 11/12, 2009) of Australians approve of the Government’s proposed carbon emissions trading scheme when asked “In December the Government's carbon emissions trading scheme was defeated in Parliament. The Rudd Government has pledged to reintroduce the legislation, known as the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, to Federal Parliament in February 2010. Do you approve or disapprove of this legislation?” according to a special telephone Roy Morgan survey conducted over the last two nights (January 13/14, 2010).

An increasing number of Australians, 36% (up 5%) of Australians disapprove of the proposed legislation; although 5% (up 3%) say ‘it doesn’t go far enough,’ 14% (up 3%) don’t understand the legislation and 4% (down 4%) can’t say.

Special analysis by age group shows 59% (down 12%) of 14-17 year olds favour the legislation compared to 55% (down 5%) of 18-24 year olds, 60% (up 7%) of 25-34 year olds, 50% (down 6%) of 35-49 year olds and just 34% (down 6%) of Australians 50+.

Australian views about Global Warming are slowly changing with 54% (up 2% since November 11/12, 2009, but down 4% since August 2009 and down 10% since November 2008) saying “If we don’t act now it will be too late”
while now 31% (up 1% since November 11/12, 2009 and up 4% since August 2009) say “Concerns are exaggerated
.’ A consistent minority (12%, down 2% since November 11/12, 2009, but up 1% since August 2009) of Australians say “It is already too late” while 3% (down 1%) can’t say.

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Reply #10 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 7:05pm
 
So, less than a third? Hardly a mandate for inaction.
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Reply #11 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 7:31pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2010 at 7:05pm:
So, less than a third? Hardly a mandate for inaction.

Hardly a mandate to action.Who will do it Labor's Peter Garrett.Insulation,Schools,there track record is outstanding dont you think.
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Reply #12 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 8:32pm
 
That's why we should have a carbon tax instead of direct government intervention like Abbott has been promoting, or handouts. There is no need to rush into the new infrastructure. We just need to get the incentives right and let the market take care of the details at a reasonable pace. Residential infrastructure like rooftop PV cells are unlikely to ever be an economically rational solution.
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Reply #13 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 8:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2010 at 8:32pm:
That's why we should have a carbon tax instead of direct government intervention like Abbott has been promoting, or handouts. There is no need to rush into the new infrastructure. We just need to get the incentives right and let the market take care of the details at a reasonable pace. Residential infrastructure like rooftop PV cells are unlikely to ever be an economically rational solution.

It's been pointed out before, but I still find it interesting that Labor supports a market-based mechanism, while the Coalition favours a Stalinist command model.

Funny old world we live in.  Smiley
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Reply #14 - Sep 19th, 2010 at 8:43pm
 
On this issue yes. When it comes to water though, economics goes out the window. We get rations and have to carry it round it buckets, but the government is not allowed to charge more than about 1c per tonne for it, lest they get accused of gouging the public. Neither major party has the balls to stand up on that issue and state the obvious.
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