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Reply #15 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 12:54am
 
All out Thermo-nuclear War (Nuclear Holocaust) seemed pretty real to me back a few decades ago.
Little wonder that I can believe the Environmental/Conservational damage being done that results in such things as Global Warming, Ozone Hole, Magnetic Field Disruption, etc.

Get Shot or get Poisened. Mars or Venus scenario - anyone??

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Reply #16 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 3:54am
 
You need to read more widely Freediver.

....  You owe it to your offspring to at least look at both sides of the argument.

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Reply #17 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 4:55am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2010 at 8:43pm:
On this issue yes. When it comes to water though, economics goes out the window. We get rations and have to carry it round it buckets, but the government is not allowed to charge more than about
1c per tonne for it,
lest they get accused of gouging the public. Neither major party has the balls to stand up on that issue and state the obvious.


There you go quoting facts without the source,put up real facts and back up the evidence.Yes we pay for water and infrastructure.The only thing we dont pay for is the air we breath but you and the socialist's will find a way.Maybe starve the less fortunate to death like you propose doing with a tax to increase basic commodities for failed science data.
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Reply #18 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 5:35am
 
mellie wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 3:54am:
You need to read more widely Freediver.

....  You owe it to your offspring to at least look at both sides of the argument.

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Why is it always that the first people who tell other people to do this are those that obviously don't do so themselves?
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Reply #19 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 12:51pm
 
The planet has a gun to its head while it coughs its guts up down in a toilet bowl and hight polluting nations are whinging about paying higher ...taxes.

Sticker on a Car: "If I'm gonna Pollute the World, I might as well pay for it now."

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Reply #20 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 2:06pm
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 12:54am:
All out Thermo-nuclear War (Nuclear Holocaust) seemed pretty real to me back a few decades ago.
Little wonder that I can believe the Environmental/Conservational damage being done that results in such things as Global Warming, Ozone Hole, Magnetic Field Disruption, etc.

Get Shot or get Poisened. Mars or Venus scenario - anyone??



LOL I see your point...
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Reply #21 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 8:48pm
 
mellie wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 3:54am:
You need to read more widely Freediver.

....  You owe it to your offspring to at least look at both sides of the argument.

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OK then, please link me to the site you got your 'stats' from, or at least explain them, and I will read. I have tried looking at both sides of this argument, but every time I try to look at your side, it disappears into thin air.

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Maybe starve the less fortunate to death like you propose doing with a tax to increase basic commodities for failed science data.


GHG emissions are not a basic ommodity.

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There you go quoting facts without the source,put up real facts and back up the evidence.


Unfortuantely I cannot link you to my water bill, but last time I looked into it, that is what it cost. I put it to you that the cost is so cheap, you do not even know how much you pay for a litre of tap water. If we are running out of a resource at the same time as people are using it without even needing to bother checking what it costs, then it is too cheap.
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Reply #22 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 7:07am
 
A carbon tax is the worst of three possible ways to put a price on carbon.

Cap and trade or fee and dividend force reductions in carbon, a carbon tax just imposes a cost but companies can choose to just pass the cost on.

The NBN will really help reduce emissions, then we replace brown coal power stations (Vic & SA) with 4th Gen nuclear (natural gas in the interim till the 4th gen nuclear stations are built. The minor amounts of waste from the 4Gen stations can be buried in one of the abandoned deep mines at Broken Hill.
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Reply #23 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 10:23pm
 
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a carbon tax just imposes a cost but companies can choose to just pass the cost on


They can do that. What they will do is reduce their emissions where it is cheap to do so. Under every other scheme there is absolutely nothing to stop a company simply passing the cost on. All that any company will consider is the price of GHG emissions, regardless of the scheme used to achieve that price.

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Cap and trade or fee and dividend force reductions in carbon


A fee is the same thing as a tax. Carbon taxes also force a reduction in emissions.
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Reply #24 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 10:53pm
 
When big mining company's like BHP begin influencing our politicians on policy matters, you know it's time to worry.

Freediver, BHP plan to expand their Olympic Dam Uranium pursuits in SA... in return for what, their decision to agree to a carbon-tax, one that few countries are willing to trial, much less impose on their citizens?

When mining company's begin helping our green-left GALP to make key-policy decisions like this, really, it's time to think things through again.

I thought the Greens were opposed to Mining?

So what gives with their turning a blind eye to BHP's SA Olympic dam pursuits, (reward) in exchange for endorsing their own carbon-tax, of which is far from inclusive emissions-tax wise when it comes to other harmful pollutants,industry's damaging our environment.


It's like the Greens have crossed the picket line and began protesting for the enemy.

Corpocracy much?

It's utter craziness.

Shocked

http://www.commodityonline.com/news/India-China-lift-uranium-prices-31929-3-1.ht...
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Reply #25 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 11:14pm
 
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one that few countries are willing to trial


Plenty of countries are way ahead of us on putting a price on GHG emissions.
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Reply #26 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 11:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 22nd, 2010 at 11:14pm:
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one that few countries are willing to trial


Plenty of countries are way ahead of us on putting a price on GHG emissions.


But not the carbon-tax a GALP propose of which is something very few governments are willing to impose on their countries.


The UN and China want to turn us into a quarry.

No thanks.

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Reply #27 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 11:26pm
 
Actually, the Greens were the first to put it to parliament, and they went into the last election with it as core policy. The ALP have been (unsuccessfully) pushing a trading scheme for a long time.
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Reply #28 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 11:32pm
 
Why is it that you ask questions, usually irrelevant, though fail to answer any of mine?

Fear-mongers are a bit like fish-mongers....can smell them a mile off.
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Reply #29 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 12:10am
 
Comprehensive survey of published climate research reveals changing viewpoints

In 2004, history professor Naomi Oreskes performed a survey of research papers on climate change. Examining peer-reviewed papers published on the ISI Web of Science database from 1993 to 2003, she found a majority supported the "consensus view," defined as humans were having at least some effect on global climate change. Oreskes' work has been repeatedly cited, but as some of its data is now nearly 15 years old, its conclusions are becoming somewhat dated.

Medical researcher Dr. Klaus-Martin Schulte recently updated this research. Using the same database and search terms as Oreskes, he examined all papers published from 2004 to February 2007. The results have been submitted to the journal Energy and Environment, of which DailyTech has obtained a pre-publication copy. The figures are surprising.

Of 528 total papers on climate change, only 38 (7%) gave an explicit endorsement of the consensus. If one considers "implicit" endorsement (accepting the consensus without explicit statement), the figure rises to 45%. However, while only 32 papers (6%) reject the consensus outright, the largest category  (48%) are neutral papers, refusing to either accept or reject the hypothesis.  This is no "consensus."

The figures are even more shocking when one remembers the watered-down definition of  consensus here.  Not only does it not require supporting that man is the "primary" cause of warming, but it doesn't require any belief or support for "catastrophic" global warming.  In fact of all papers published in this period (2004 to February 2007), only a single one makes any reference to climate change leading to catastrophic results.

These changing viewpoints represent the advances in climate science over the past decade. While today we are even more certain the earth is warming, we are less certain about the root causes. More importantly, research has shown us that -- whatever the cause may be -- the amount of warming is unlikely to cause any great calamity for mankind or the planet itself.

Schulte's survey contradicts the United Nation IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report (2007), which gave a figure of "90% likely" man was having an impact on world temperatures. But does the IPCC represent a consensus view of world scientists? Despite media claims of "thousands of scientists" involved in the report, the actual text is written by a much smaller number of "lead authors." The introductory "Summary for Policymakers" -- the only portion usually quoted in the media -- is written not by scientists at all, but by politicians, and approved, word-by-word, by political representatives from member nations. By IPCC policy, the individual report chapters -- the only text actually written by scientists -- are edited to "ensure compliance" with the summary, which is typically published months before the actual report itself.

By contrast, the ISI Web of Science database covers 8,700 journals and publications, including every leading scientific journal in the world.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?
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