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Binary Ninja Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 460	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #90 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 2:47pm like we oppose anything mellie
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Reply #91 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 3:16pm

Laura Tingle in the Fin on Friday:

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Tony Windsor, the independent MP whose crucial vote locked Labor into minority government, has one way of looking at it.

"One of the arguments against the NBN is its $43 billion price tag," he noted last week.

"Well, apparently the actual government investment is closer to $27 billion. But I'd just note that over $40 billion has been spent on tax cuts since the last election."

He's right, of course.

It's funny how no one ever asks for a cost benefit analysis to be done on personal tax cuts.

For that matter, until Labor came to office in 2007, governments rarely asked for any cost-benefit analysis on infrastructure projects.

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Reply #92 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 3:17pm

Please delete wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 1:14pm:

No typo - I highlighted it, and you repeated your mistake - you go back and look.

And I have made a very compelling answer to the OP. But mister high and mighty doesn't agree - so what?

One who criticizes someone simply for asking a question - ("no idea. do you?") can't lecture ME on pedantry.

'compelling' obviously has different meanings to different people, but internet TV and downloading movies doesnt seem to cut it for me or perhaps most people. everything else you said already exists under existing infrastructure.

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Reply #93 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 3:20pm

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excusie, if this has already been posted in any other thread...but

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The United Nations has endorsed Australia's National Broadband Network.It describes the NBN as a 'vital engine driving economic growth'.
The UN is due to announce its own global broadband blueprint in New York.
It says the world is watching Australia's roll out.
The UN Broadband Commission criticises mobile-driven broadband policies, such as the Coalition's plan.

http://skynews.com.au/business/article.aspx?id=515573&articleID=

The UN... possibly the least competent, least relevant and most hopelessly biased and conflicted organisation in world history. Also an organisation whose mandate could hardly be expected to extend to technical matters. Also of interest, they are a group that has zero concern on the financial cost of ANYTHING. It would be difficult to find a less compelling endorsement of the NBN if you tried!

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Reply #94 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 3:23pm

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Laura Tingle in the Fin on Friday:

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Tony Windsor, the independent MP whose crucial vote locked Labor into minority government, has one way of looking at it.

"One of the arguments against the NBN is its $43 billion price tag," he noted last week.

"Well, apparently the actual government investment is closer to $27 billion. But I'd just note that over $40 billion has been spent on tax cuts since the last election."

He's right, of course.

It's funny how no one ever asks for a cost benefit analysis to be done on personal tax cuts.

For that matter, until Labor came to office in 2007, governments rarely asked for any cost-benefit analysis on infrastructure projects.

A) the $27B assumes private investment. none has been forthcoming at this stage
B) tax cuts are in fact not CUTS at all but rather maintaining the level of tax with wage rises.
C) the NBN isnt an infrastructure project - it is a commercial enterprise. EVERYONE does a CBA on a commercial enterprise. and a road isnt built just for the hell of it. it is built on the basis of a measured and analysed NEED along with a capacity to pay for it - commonly called a Cost Benefit Analysis.

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Reply #95 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 3:38pm

A) the $27B assumes private investment. none has been forthcoming at this stage

Absolute crap Telstra $11 Billion other investor haven't confirmed amounts

B) tax cuts are in fact not CUTS at all but rather maintaining the level of tax with wage rises.

C) the NBN isnt an infrastructure project - it is a commercial enterprise. EVERYONE does a CBA on a commercial enterprise. and a road isnt built just for the hell of it. it is built on the basis of a measured and analysed NEED along with a capacity to pay for it - commonly called a Cost Benefit Analysis.

The NBN is majority government owned so cant be commercial

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Reply #96 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 3:40pm

UN backs the NBN: reportPublished 7:56 AM, 20 Sep 2010

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http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/UN-backs-the-NBN-report-pd20100920-9FSGV?OpenDocument&src=hp6

A United Nations official has given the Gillard government's $43 billion national broadband network (NBN) roll-out a tick of approval, saying the infrastructure project was vital for economic growth, The Australian Financial Review reports.

The newspaper said Hamadoun Toure, vice-chairman of the UN Broadband Commission for Digital Development, described the NBN as the one of the world's "most ambitious broadband build-out programs".

He said developed and developing nations were watching to see how Australia overcomes significant hurdles in the project, such as coordinating the roll-out across Australia's vast land mass and connecting remote communities.

Mr Toure said broadband infrastructure was crucial for economic growth and competitiveness and would ensure efficient delivery of education, health and trade and business services, the newspaper reported.

Treasurer Wayne Swan last week described the NBN as one of the biggest economic reforms in Australia's history, saying it will ensure the country can compete globally.

The coalition opposes the roll-out, but opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne said on Sunday that new shadow communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull could move alter his party's NBN policy.

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vegitamite Ex Member	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #97 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 3:43pm opps silly me, - forgot to highlight this part; The coalition opposes the roll-out, but opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne said on Sunday that new shadow communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull could move alter his party's NBN policy.
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Reply #98 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 3:43pm

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The NBN is majority government owned so cant be commercial

do you know what 'commercial' means? it DOESNT mean private enterprise. It does however mean an entity that runs on a profit and requires that profit to keep operating. the NBN is such an entity just as telstra was when it was govt owned and the commonweath bank and a host of other commercial operations run by the govt.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #99 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 3:47pm so lets try and get back on track. what do YOU (meaning everyone on here) plan to do with 100Mbs that you currently cant do?
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Vanessa Senior Member Offline Ranga Rock Chick Posts: 301 Somewhere In The Real World Gender:	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #100 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 3:55pm I will be good to be able to download movies and music clips faster than I already can. That is the only thing I'd look forward to. Other than that...it's not really a big deal. And if I have to pay extra for it...then I don't want it.
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Reply #101 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 3:57pm

Vanessa wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 3:55pm:

I will be good to be able to download movies and music clips faster than I already can. That is the only thing I'd look forward to. Other than that...it's not really a big deal.

And if I have to pay extra for it...then I don't want it.

which is kinda the point. im stil trying to work out why residential customers need faster internet and so far no one has come up with much of a reason.

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vegitamite Ex Member	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #102 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 4:19pm IF faster broadband is NOT needed then why is it necessary that the Coalition ,or better still OPPOSITION frontbencher Christopher Pyne , flagging that the Coalition may change its broadband policy then ?
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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #103 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 4:29pm Well from the experience I'm having the USA could use the NBN, maybe we'll export the technology because the internet I'm on is slower than home. Then again it is free wifi in a hotel so I suppose it's their cheapest option
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Reply #104 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 5:11pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 4:29pm:

Well from the experience I'm having the USA could use the NBN, maybe we'll export the technology because the internet I'm on is slower than home.
Then again it is free wifi in a hotel so I suppose it's their cheapest option Shocked

to be fair the most expense and worst performing internet ANYWHERE would have to be in a hotel. it is like the electronic mini-bar...

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