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Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet?
Reply #135 - Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 8:33pm

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 8:51am:

sorry del i forgot my proof on claims for the power switching .. it is called Smart Grid , Belgium , Netherlands , UK and soon to be the US have all implemented it and European brand appliances have it in them now

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Peak curtailment/levelling and time of use pricing

To reduce demand during the high cost peak usage periods, communications and metering technologies inform smart devices in the home and business when energy demand is high and track how much electricity is used and when it is used. To motivate them to cut back use and perform what is called peak curtailment or peak levelling, prices of electricity are increased during high demand periods, and decreased during low demand periods. It is thought that consumers and businesses will tend to consume less during high demand periods if it is possible for consumers and consumer devices to be aware of the high price premium for using electricity at peak periods, this could mean cooking dinner at 9pm instead of 5pm. When businesses and consumers see a direct economic benefit of not having to pay double for the same energy use to become more energy efficient, the theory is that they will include energy cost of operation into their consumer device and building construction decisions. See Time of day metering and demand response.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_grid

A Smart electricity grid is almost justification enough to scrap the NBN entirely; FFS how much more power do you want to give an energy company. I'll disconnect my house from the grid if that ever becomes a reality.

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Reply #136 - Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 8:38pm

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:07am:

The NBN is to replace the entire telecommunications infrastructure across Australia ... the country areas had very poor service when compared to the city ..

Telstra had been told several times before and during when they got sold off to fix certain things which they still hadn't ..

Howards bandaid fix to this was to try to get ADSL to these regions but seeing as the whole infrastructure was not going to last more then 5 or so years lifespan wise it was decided to replace it all ..

They decided to do the country areas first because they had always been lacking these services and with the view to keep these areas still going ..

It has nothing to do with who gets what first or how much do you roll out .. It has to do with services provided . They will roll out cable and not see a customer but that is the same now with copper ... It is all areas need a modern service that is future proofed...

Isn't the Australian Government a major shareholder in Telstra?

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Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet?
Reply #137 - Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 8:43pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:31am:

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:26am:

we have all told you why ... remote hospitals , remote schooling , internet Tv , gaming , smart appliances , video phones / voip service

and if you look at the chart above you will see it isn't good enough .. technology moves forward .. we cant so we stay behind and lose the benefits of a technological economy ..

but hang on that is the coalition mantra

we can do all that now.

internet TV is probably the only application that wouldnt really work very well.

but that is hardly the killer application that justifies a $43B spend.

Google Fetch TV supplied by iiNet Longy.

http://www.iinet.net.au/fetchtv/ Have a look at how it's delivered.

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Reply #138 - Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 9:01pm

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 21^st, 2010 at 10:03am:

long okay for the last time the NBN Co is not a Corp i have it here in plain writing from ASIC just for you and as said it is a company not a corporation . it has invested shares in it via the government / private entities so cant trade commercial stop the BS please

Name NBN CO LIMITED
ACN
136 533 741
ABN
86 136 533 741
Type Australian Public Company, Limited By Shares
Registration Date 09/04/2009
Next Review Date 09/04/2011
Status Registered
Locality of Registered Office Melbourne VIC 3000
Jurisdiction Australian Securities & Investments Commission

With a post such as this BN, I seriously admire your ability to function normally.

Extracted from ASIC's database at AEST 21:00:04 on 22/09/2010
Name BHP BILLITON LIMITED
ACN
004 028 077
ABN
49 004 028 077
Type Australian Public Company, Limited By Shares
Registration Date 13/08/1885
Next Review Date 01/03/2011
Status Registered
Locality of Registered Office Melbourne VIC 3000
Jurisdiction Australian Securities & Investments Commission

Look familiar?

Please don't attempt to reasonably discuss anything financial ever again. You have just proven you've not got a clue.

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Reply #139 - Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 9:39pm

I would like to share the outcome of my first-hand experience of upgrading to faster broadband - in the past month...

Value judgements, about teenagers wantonly downloading anime videos, notwithstanding: our household internet usage has increased to around double our previous monthly limit...

It wasn't until we upgraded to faster broadband, that we realised how much download times had been limiting the amount of internet activity possible by the 3 people in our household...

On a more general level, I think it is fair to say that: -

* The internet usage habits of Gen Y are far more data-intensive than those of those of Gen X; and

* There has been an exponential growth in the data-hungry graphic content of the internet - and that there are no signs of a plateau being reached.

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Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet?
Reply #140 - Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 9:47pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 9:39pm:

I would like to share the outcome of my first-hand experience of upgrading to faster broadband - in the past month...

Value judgements, about teenagers wantonly downloading anime videos, notwithstanding: our household internet usage has increased to around double our previous monthly limit...

It wasn't until we upgraded to faster broadband, that we realised how much download times had been limiting the amount of internet activity possible by the 3 people in our household...

On a more general level, I think it is fair to say that: -

* The internet usage habits of Gen Y are far more data-intensive than those of those of Gen X; and

* There has been an exponential growth in the data-hungry graphic content of the internet - and that there are no signs of a plateau being reached.

What did you upgrade from and to Thy, if you don't mind me asking.

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Reply #141 - Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 9:51pm

Well I have just got to point out that the kind of thinking being displayed by anti NBN people in relation to the possible uses for High Speed Internet is similar to the early civic leaders in Sydney, who could never imagine any need for roads bigger than needed to take two horse drawn carts at once.

While there is short term validation in their ideas, the myopic approach towards the future that they employ, always ends up being counter productive in the long run.

We already know that digital media will be growing dramatically and fibre is the only way to deliver digital mass media successfully, so for most of us, that will be it's primary role, in the near future.

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Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet?
Reply #142 - Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 10:08pm

qikvtec wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 9:47pm:

Equitist wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 9:39pm:

I would like to share the outcome of my first-hand experience of upgrading to faster broadband - in the past month...

Value judgements, about teenagers wantonly downloading anime videos, notwithstanding: our household internet usage has increased to around double our previous monthly limit...

It wasn't until we upgraded to faster broadband, that we realised how much download times had been limiting the amount of internet activity possible by the 3 people in our household...

On a more general level, I think it is fair to say that: -

* The internet usage habits of Gen Y are far more data-intensive than those of those of Gen X; and

* There has been an exponential growth in the data-hungry graphic content of the internet - and that there are no signs of a plateau being reached.

What did you upgrade from and to Thy, if you don't mind me asking.

Bigpond ADSL Liberty 16GB to Bigpond ADSL2+ Elite Liberty 50GB - and the dramatic difference in speed is even noticeable on my old laptop, which has only 512K of RAM!

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Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet?
Reply #143 - Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 10:09pm

Mozz, your analogy is flawed.

NBN wants a 12 lane expressway to every dunny in Cape York and Wilcannia and shantytown. That costs serious money.

But to have a 12 lane superhighway in the major population centres (say, 20,000+ peope) doesn't. There is a very very favourable cost/benefit ratio for superfast internet to 80% of the pop. The cost of the same connection to the remaining 20% is not worth it.

It is not worth it. They will just have to live with the current broadband. A horse 'n cart is just fine for Woop Woop. It's not as if we have a massive untapped human potential in Woop Woop... Do we??

This is the same idea that says we can't have a hospital and a university in every town and village.

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Reply #144 - Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 10:11pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 10:08pm:

qikvtec wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 9:47pm:

Equitist wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 9:39pm:

I would like to share the outcome of my first-hand experience of upgrading to faster broadband - in the past month...

Value judgements, about teenagers wantonly downloading anime videos, notwithstanding: our household internet usage has increased to around double our previous monthly limit...

It wasn't until we upgraded to faster broadband, that we realised how much download times had been limiting the amount of internet activity possible by the 3 people in our household...

On a more general level, I think it is fair to say that: -

* The internet usage habits of Gen Y are far more data-intensive than those of those of Gen X; and

* There has been an exponential growth in the data-hungry graphic content of the internet - and that there are no signs of a plateau being reached.

What did you upgrade from and to Thy, if you don't mind me asking.

Bigpond ADSL Liberty 16GB to Bigpond ADSL2+ Elite Liberty 50GB

I just had the same upgrade although my limit went from 10GB to 50GB

The weakest link now is between the laptop and the wireless router.

Edit: However I am still only using a fraction of what capacity is available.

I can do everything I need for the number of users in our home without any need for improvement.

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Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

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Reply #145 - Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 10:15pm

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It is not worth it. They will just have to live with the current broadband. A horse 'n cart is just fine for Woop Woop. It's not as if we have a massive untapped human potential in Woop Woop... Do we??

I would have you know that Wilcannia would have the highest per capita number of individuals with IQs over 185 if it were supplied with fiber optic broadband, Soren.

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Reply #146 - Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 10:15pm

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so far you have identified ENTERTAINMENT as the only reason for spending $43B.

You are proving my point!

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OH FFS. Roll Eyes

look at your the title of your topic ;
'So what are you going to do with faster internet?'

and when we talked of the' business advantage side' you said 'but what will you use it for'...l

longie longie longie Cry

and you are STILL proving my point. en you are admitting that for domestic users, the NBN wil be used for ENTERTAINMENT! so the biggest infrastructure project in history and what swan ludicrously calls the 'biggest economic reform indecades' is for ENTERTAINMENT??

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Reply #147 - Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 10:20pm

qikvtec wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 10:11pm:

Equitist wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 10:08pm:

qikvtec wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 9:47pm:

Equitist wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 9:39pm:

I would like to share the outcome of my first-hand experience of upgrading to faster broadband - in the past month...

Value judgements, about teenagers wantonly downloading anime videos, notwithstanding: our household internet usage has increased to around double our previous monthly limit...

It wasn't until we upgraded to faster broadband, that we realised how much download times had been limiting the amount of internet activity possible by the 3 people in our household...

On a more general level, I think it is fair to say that: -

* The internet usage habits of Gen Y are far more data-intensive than those of those of Gen X; and

* There has been an exponential growth in the data-hungry graphic content of the internet - and that there are no signs of a plateau being reached.

What did you upgrade from and to Thy, if you don't mind me asking.

Bigpond ADSL Liberty 16GB to Bigpond ADSL2+ Elite Liberty 50GB

I just had the same upgrade although my limit went from 10GB to 50GB

The weakest link now is between the laptop and the wireless router.

Same problem at this end!

Actually, given that we'd only breached the monthly 12GB a few times in the past couple of years (and we had just been converted to the new billing system), I made the switch about 1/3 into the billing month but had planned to go for the 25GB T-Box bundle early in this billing cycle...

Unless my boys just got carried away with the novelty of rapid downloads, it is now looking as though the 25GB won't suffice...

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Reply #149 - Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 11:08pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 9:39pm:

I would like to share the outcome of my first-hand experience of upgrading to faster broadband - in the past month...

Value judgements, about teenagers wantonly downloading anime videos, notwithstanding: our household internet usage has increased to around double our previous monthly limit...

It wasn't until we upgraded to faster broadband, that we realised how much download times had been limiting the amount of internet activity possible by the 3 people in our household...

On a more general level, I think it is fair to say that: -

* The internet usage habits of Gen Y are far more data-intensive than those of those of Gen X; and

* There has been an exponential growth in the data-hungry graphic content of the internet - and that there are no signs of a plateau being reached.

and you are confirming that the use of this ever-increasing demand is purely entertainment... so explain again why the govt shoudl spend such an enormous amount of money so we can all download crap faster?

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