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Reply #180 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:27am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 8:50am:
Kat wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 8:46am:
My SPEED is fine(ish), but d/l limits on wireless are a smacking joke.

$49.95 a month for THREE GIGS?

Then it goes to dial-up speed where you are pushing shyte uphill simply to open an email.

And forget about trying to open the Bigpuddle home-page in less than 10 minutes:-((

smack me!


Why dont you have internet wired up at home and use a wireless modem?




Because I do not have, or want, and cannot afford, a land-line connection.

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Reply #181 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:32am
 
"speed is not the major factor in the big majority of accidents."

And so you believe anyone should be allowed to speed? Becasue 30% of fatalities happen under the speed limit means what to this argument?

BTW speeding while overtaking is still speeding, and is against the road rules.

One more thing - YOU were the one saying "61 in a 60 zone", not me. The reason that is not currently enforced by radar and other speed monitors is becasue of the margin of error. I see no reason why that would change.
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Reply #182 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:35am
 
"Speeding has long been recognised as a major factor in many road crashes. Excessive speed was noted as a definite cause in 8 percent of crashes and up to twice that as a probable cause in studies overseas. In Australia, excessive speeding has been noted as a contributing factor in up to 30 percent of fatal crashes. On these statistics, speed related road trauma is likely to cost the Australian community up to A$1 billion annually"
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Reply #183 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:39am
 
Kat wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:27am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 8:50am:
Kat wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 8:46am:
My SPEED is fine(ish), but d/l limits on wireless are a smacking joke.

$49.95 a month for THREE GIGS?

Then it goes to dial-up speed where you are pushing shyte uphill simply to open an email.

And forget about trying to open the Bigpuddle home-page in less than 10 minutes:-((

smack me!


Why dont you have internet wired up at home and use a wireless modem?




Because I do not have, or want, and cannot afford, a land-line connection.



you can get naked-DSL which is through the land-line connected to you house even tho you dont have a phone account. that would be cheaper, faster and better than what you are currently using.
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Reply #184 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:42am
 

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:22am:
Please delete wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:15am:
And I never thought I would see a conservative christian standing in the way of a proposal to reduce young people being killed on the roads doing ridiculous speeds, and families being wiped out by trucks.

Or schoolchildren being run over in school zones.



Interesting road facts for you: a majority of fatal accidents occur UNDER the speedlimit. 30% of fatalities occur becaue no seatbelt was worn. 30%+ is as a direct result of drugs and/or alcohol. speed is not the major factor in the big majority of accidents.


Hey Bates, could you kindly refrain from mixing up your stats, ta!

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Reply #185 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:42am
 
Please delete wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:32am:
"speed is not the major factor in the big majority of accidents."

And so you believe anyone should be allowed to speed? Becasue 30% of fatalities happen under the speed limit means what to this argument?

BTW speeding while overtaking is still speeding, and is against the road rules.

One more thing - YOU were the one saying "61 in a 60 zone", not me. The reason that is not currently enforced by radar and other speed monitors is becasue of the margin of error. I see no reason why that would change.


correction:  SIGNIFICANT MAJORITY (ie not 30%) of accidents occur under the speed limit and the VAST MAJORITY occur within 10kms/hr over the limit or below. in other words. speed is actually NOT the major factor in accidents. and some more advanced countries liek in NZ allow a 20Km/hr premium on the speed limit while overtaking to acknowledge the safety issue of overtaking quickly. anyone who overtakes someone doing 95km/hr at 100 km/hr is a fool. safety trumps law anytime - especially in a minor case like this.
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Reply #186 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:45am
 
Please delete wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:35am:
"Speeding has long been recognised as a major factor in many road crashes. Excessive speed was noted as a definite cause in 8 percent of crashes and up to twice that as a probable cause in studies overseas. In Australia, excessive speeding has been noted as a contributing factor in up to 30 percent of fatal crashes. On these statistics, speed related road trauma is likely to cost the Australian community up to A$1 billion annually"


now the other side of that same quote. 'excessive speed' - note that it does not say 'exceeding the posted speed limit' but EXCESSIVE speed.  it also says that 92% of accidents are NOT the cause of excessive speed. the other statistic also says that in 70% of fatal accidents speed is NOT a factor. I believe that that is PRECISELY what I was saying.
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Reply #187 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:48am
 
Equitist wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:42am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:22am:
Please delete wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:15am:
And I never thought I would see a conservative christian standing in the way of a proposal to reduce young people being killed on the roads doing ridiculous speeds, and families being wiped out by trucks.

Or schoolchildren being run over in school zones.



Interesting road facts for you: a majority of fatal accidents occur UNDER the speedlimit. 30% of fatalities occur becaue no seatbelt was worn. 30%+ is as a direct result of drugs and/or alcohol. speed is not the major factor in the big majority of accidents.


Hey Bates, could you kindly refrain from mixing up your stats, ta!




what stats confused you?
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Reply #188 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:56am
 

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:45am:
Please delete wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:35am:
"Speeding has long been recognised as a major factor in many road crashes. Excessive speed was noted as a definite cause in 8 percent of crashes and up to twice that as a probable cause in studies overseas. In Australia, excessive speeding has been noted as a contributing factor in up to 30 percent of fatal crashes. On these statistics, speed related road trauma is likely to cost the Australian community up to A$1 billion annually"


now the other side of that same quote. 'excessive speed' - note that it does not say 'exceeding the posted speed limit' but EXCESSIVE speed.  it also says that 92% of accidents are NOT the cause of excessive speed. the other statistic also says that in 70% of fatal accidents speed is NOT a factor. I believe that that is PRECISELY what I was saying.


FFS, the local limit often becomes irrelevant and inappropriate, given that: it is always incumbent upon all drivers to drive according to the prevailing conditions at any points in time and place!

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Reply #189 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:59am
 

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:48am:
Equitist wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:42am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:22am:
Please delete wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:15am:
And I never thought I would see a conservative christian standing in the way of a proposal to reduce young people being killed on the roads doing ridiculous speeds, and families being wiped out by trucks.

Or schoolchildren being run over in school zones.



Interesting road facts for you: a majority of fatal accidents occur UNDER the speedlimit. 30% of fatalities occur becaue no seatbelt was worn. 30%+ is as a direct result of drugs and/or alcohol. speed is not the major factor in the big majority of accidents.


Hey Bates, could you kindly refrain from mixing up your stats, ta!




what stats confused you?


The confusion was at your end, Bates - you either did not understand and/or clarify the context of the separate stats you quoted!

Hint: which of those stats refers to fatal accidents alone!?

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Reply #190 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 11:07am
 
Equitist wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:56am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:45am:
Please delete wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:35am:
"Speeding has long been recognised as a major factor in many road crashes. Excessive speed was noted as a definite cause in 8 percent of crashes and up to twice that as a probable cause in studies overseas. In Australia, excessive speeding has been noted as a contributing factor in up to 30 percent of fatal crashes. On these statistics, speed related road trauma is likely to cost the Australian community up to A$1 billion annually"


now the other side of that same quote. 'excessive speed' - note that it does not say 'exceeding the posted speed limit' but EXCESSIVE speed.  it also says that 92% of accidents are NOT the cause of excessive speed. the other statistic also says that in 70% of fatal accidents speed is NOT a factor. I believe that that is PRECISELY what I was saying.


FFS, the local limit often becomes irrelevant and inappropriate, given that: it is always incumbent upon all drivers to drive according to the prevailing conditions at any points in time and place!



100% agree!  one of the big problems with the over-dependance on speed limits is that drivers - especially new ones - assume that the posted speed limit is the SAFE speed. it is usually not at all. I was travelling back from Vic during the storms that hit there recently. driving rain, high winds poor visibility. maintaining 100 km/hr in even a car of my standard required a lot of concentration and was not a lot of fun whereas only hours earlier it was a breeze. most speed limits are posted because of WHERE the road is (urban or country) not because of what is really the safe speed. And i understand that there isnt any real alternative to that. but the notion that faster is necessarily more dangerous - especially on the open road - is quite simply wrong. USA increased its speed limits on its interstates are were rewarded with a slightly LOWER road toll. experts beleive it is because drivers are less frustrated when they are driving at more realistic speeds and therefore take fewer chances and make less mistakes.
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Reply #191 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 11:09am
 
Equitist wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:59am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:48am:
Equitist wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:42am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:22am:
Please delete wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:15am:
And I never thought I would see a conservative christian standing in the way of a proposal to reduce young people being killed on the roads doing ridiculous speeds, and families being wiped out by trucks.

Or schoolchildren being run over in school zones.



Interesting road facts for you: a majority of fatal accidents occur UNDER the speedlimit. 30% of fatalities occur becaue no seatbelt was worn. 30%+ is as a direct result of drugs and/or alcohol. speed is not the major factor in the big majority of accidents.


Hey Bates, could you kindly refrain from mixing up your stats, ta!




what stats confused you?


The confusion was at your end, Bates - you either did not understand and/or clarify the context of the separate stats you quoted!

Hint: which of those stats refers to fatal accidents alone!?



whilst the pedantry of your comment is accurate I might point out that I was responding to the claim that speeding is the direct cause of death and injury on the road when it simply IS NOT.
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Reply #192 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 11:17am
 

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 11:09am:
Equitist wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:59am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:48am:
Equitist wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:42am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:22am:
Please delete wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:15am:
And I never thought I would see a conservative christian standing in the way of a proposal to reduce young people being killed on the roads doing ridiculous speeds, and families being wiped out by trucks.

Or schoolchildren being run over in school zones.



Interesting road facts for you: a majority of fatal accidents occur UNDER the speedlimit. 30% of fatalities occur becaue no seatbelt was worn. 30%+ is as a direct result of drugs and/or alcohol. speed is not the major factor in the big majority of accidents.


Hey Bates, could you kindly refrain from mixing up your stats, ta!




what stats confused you?


The confusion was at your end, Bates - you either did not understand and/or clarify the context of the separate stats you quoted!

Hint: which of those stats refers to fatal accidents alone!?



whilst the pedantry of your comment is accurate I might point out that I was responding to the claim that speeding is the direct cause of death and injury on the road when it simply IS NOT.


Noted, ta!

BTW, motion is a factor in all vehicular collisions - and collisions often occur because one or more drivers fail/s to adjust the speed/motion of their vehicle/s to the risks posed by the conditions prevailing in the vicinity. (Edit: Sorry, just noticed that I had missed your post at 11:07am!)



PS Methinks that this tangent needs to be discontinued and/or taken elsewhere.
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Reply #193 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 11:18am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:39am:
Kat wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:27am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 8:50am:
Kat wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 8:46am:
My SPEED is fine(ish), but d/l limits on wireless are a smacking joke.

$49.95 a month for THREE GIGS?

Then it goes to dial-up speed where you are pushing shyte uphill simply to open an email.

And forget about trying to open the Bigpuddle home-page in less than 10 minutes:-((

smack me!


Why dont you have internet wired up at home and use a wireless modem?




Because I do not have, or want, and cannot afford, a land-line connection.



you can get naked-DSL which is through the land-line connected to you house even tho you dont have a phone account. that would be cheaper, faster and better than what you are currently using.





Thanks, I'll look into that.   Smiley
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Reply #194 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 11:25am
 
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"For example a driver travelling at 65 km/h in a 60 zone is twice as likely to have a serious injury or fatality crash as a driver travelling at the speed limit. Driving at 70 km/h in a 60 km/h zone, the driver is more than 4 times as likely to crash.

Based on this research it can be concluded that

    In a 60 km/h speed limit area, the risk of involvement in a casualty crash doubles with each 5 km/h increase in travelling speed above 60 km/h.

There are three reasons that small reductions in speed make such a large difference to risk.

1. Small differences in speeds mean differences both in time to collision and ability to avoid a crash.

    Even if a vehicle cannot be stopped in the available distance, the collision can still sometimes be avoided. When a driver is speeding there is less time for both that driver and any other road user (either a pedestrian or another driver) to:

    * Recognise danger
    * Decide on an evasive action (brake, swerve)
    * Complete the evasive action

    Furthermore, a vehicle travelling at a higher speed is more difficult to manoeuvre.

2. Small differences in vehicle speeds, before braking begins, can result in large differences in impact speeds.

    The diagram below shows the relationship between speed, stopping distance and impact speed. For each travelling speed both the stopping distance for vehicles travelling 50 km/h to 90 km/h are shown and the impact speeds for vehicles travelling faster than 50km/h at the point where the vehicle travelling at 50 km/h would have stopped (i.e. at 29m).

    The following example illustrates how impact speed can differ between two cars with only a 10 km/h difference in travelling speeds:

    ...consider two cars travelling side by side at a given instant, one car travelling at 50 km/h and the other overtaking at 60 km/h. Suppose that a child runs onto the road at a point just beyond that at which the car travelling at 50 km/h can stop. The other car will still be travelling at 44 km/h at that point2.

3. Even small differences in impact speed make a large difference to the probability of serious injury.

    The reason for this difference is that the force of the crash varies with the square of the impact speed. For example, a 70 km/h collision has about twice the force of a 50 km/h collision."

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/speedandspeedcameras/speedingresearch.html
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