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Reply #195 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 11:30am

Senior police may back the use of speed limiters for probationary drivers in a bid to avert a repeat of Sunday's high-speed car crash in Melbourne's north that killed five teenagers.

Victoria Police Deputy Commissioner for road policing, Ken Lay, said police would consider speed limiters, following a poll in the Herald Sun newspaper that showed 87 per cent of respondents backed the suggestion.

He said police would also consider a range of measures including curfews or even raising the legal driving age to cut the number of road deaths involving young people.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/speed-limiters-considered-after-crash-20100119-mh0v.html

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Reply #196 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 11:44am

Please delete wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 11:30am:

Senior police may back the use of speed limiters for probationary drivers in a bid to avert a repeat of Sunday's high-speed car crash in Melbourne's north that killed five teenagers.

Victoria Police Deputy Commissioner for road policing, Ken Lay, said police would consider speed limiters, following a poll in the Herald Sun newspaper that showed 87 per cent of respondents backed the suggestion.

He said police would also consider a range of measures including curfews or even raising the legal driving age to cut the number of road deaths involving young people.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/speed-limiters-considered-after-crash-20100119-mh0v.html

Police should be there to enforce EXISTING laws.

NOT create laws.

Police-state, anyone?

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Reply #197 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 11:51am

Kat wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 11:44am:

Please delete wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 11:30am:

Senior police may back the use of speed limiters for probationary drivers in a bid to avert a repeat of Sunday's high-speed car crash in Melbourne's north that killed five teenagers.

Victoria Police Deputy Commissioner for road policing, Ken Lay, said police would consider speed limiters, following a poll in the Herald Sun newspaper that showed 87 per cent of respondents backed the suggestion.

He said police would also consider a range of measures including curfews or even raising the legal driving age to cut the number of road deaths involving young people.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/speed-limiters-considered-after-crash-20100119-mh0v.html

Police should be there to enforce EXISTING laws.

NOT create laws.

Police-state, anyone?

Actually, I've gotta disagree there: I reckon that Police are in a unique position, to be able to advise on the need for changes to a range of existing laws - since they must deal with the harsh and often tragic realities of inappropriate laws.

That said, I point out the thread title and reiterate that this tangent should be stopped and/or taken elsewhere!

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Reply #198 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 11:51am

Equitist wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 11:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 11:09am:

Equitist wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 10:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 10:48am:

Equitist wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 10:42am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 10:22am:

Please delete wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 10:15am:

And I never thought I would see a conservative christian standing in the way of a proposal to reduce young people being killed on the roads doing ridiculous speeds, and families being wiped out by trucks.

Or schoolchildren being run over in school zones.

Interesting road facts for you: a majority of fatal accidents occur UNDER the speedlimit. 30% of fatalities occur becaue no seatbelt was worn. 30%+ is as a direct result of drugs and/or alcohol. speed is not the major factor in the big majority of accidents.

Hey Bates, could you kindly refrain from mixing up your stats, ta!

what stats confused you?

The confusion was at your end, Bates - you either did not understand and/or clarify the context of the separate stats you quoted!

Hint: which of those stats refers to fatal accidents alone!?

whilst the pedantry of your comment is accurate I might point out that I was responding to the claim that speeding is the direct cause of death and injury on the road when it simply IS NOT.

Noted, ta!

BTW, motion is a factor in all vehicular collisions - and collisions often occur because one or more drivers fail/s to adjust the speed/motion of their vehicle/s to the risks posed by the conditions prevailing in the vicinity. (Edit: Sorry, just noticed that I had missed your post at 11:07am!)

PS Methinks that this tangent needs to be discontinued and/or taken elsewhere.

Ironically, the most expensive accident my car has been involved in was when my car was barely moving! not exactly a case of serious injury but $5000 damage and the other car was unregistered, uninsured and of course, the driver was UNLICENSED.

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Reply #200 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 12:02pm

Please delete wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 11:30am:

Senior police may back the use of speed limiters for probationary drivers in a bid to avert a repeat of Sunday's high-speed car crash in Melbourne's north that killed five teenagers.

Victoria Police Deputy Commissioner for road policing, Ken Lay, said police would consider speed limiters, following a poll in the Herald Sun newspaper that showed 87 per cent of respondents backed the suggestion.

He said police would also consider a range of measures including curfews or even raising the legal driving age to cut the number of road deaths involving young people.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/speed-limiters-considered-after-crash-20100119-mh0v.html

a non-credible suggestion supported by a even less credible on-line poll. the logistics of speed-limiters for P plate drivers is problematic to say the least. if they can be over-ruled then they will be. and if they cant be over-ruled then how does a P plate driver drive the family car - as most already have to do? and can a p plate driver ONLY drive a car with a speed limiter in it?

And let's be fair, the majority of police didnt chose the profession over becoming brain surgeons. most of them are decidely unintelligent and not surprisingly, some of their road-safety ideas are more than a little silly. they never have a idea that is 'out of the box'.

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Reply #201 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 12:04pm

Please delete wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 11:59am:

"That said, I point out the thread title and reiterate that this tangent should be stopped and/or taken elsewhere!"

I agree that this looks like a tangential argument, but it was originally based on the thread - that the NBN will play a role in our use of cars.

given that cars would have to use wireless internet and NBN is talking about purely wired connections in cities then I dont see any relevance at all. I was just gobsmacked that you like the idea of a nanny-state controlling your car and recording everywhere you went and when. truly amazing!

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #202 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 12:13pm Cars will be wireless, the infrastructure that monitors car activity will not. And you can't have wireless in cars without expanded availability of the internet - via the NBN. As to my support for a nanny state, I'm equally amazed that you support breaking the law.
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Reply #203 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 12:18pm

Speed limiters are a stupid and dangerous idea.

Sometimes you need to drive faster than the alloted speed limit for the road to avoid an accident.

I was clocked in Australia doing 69 in a 60 km/hr zone and I wrote a detailed letter explaining why I had to speed up to avoid clashing with a car that had pulled out of a driveway quickly. Because it was dark and cars were behind me, it would have been dangerous to stop quickly and to avert the danger it was necessary to speed up.

I had the points and fine cancelled as a result 3 weeks later.

Speed limiters would prevent this sensible course of driving.

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Reply #204 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 12:34pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 12:18pm:

Speed limiters are a stupid and dangerous idea.

Sometimes you need to drive faster than the alloted speed limit for the road to avoid an accident.

I was clocked in Australia doing 69 in a 60 km/hr zone and I wrote a detailed letter explaining why I had to speed up to avoid clashing with a car that had pulled out of a driveway quickly. Because it was dark and cars were behind me, it would have been dangerous to stop quickly and to avert the danger it was necessary to speed up.

I had the points and fine cancelled as a result 3 weeks later.

Speed limiters would prevent this sensible course of driving.

a friend of mine drove a seriously injured (impaled) person to hospital. He drove above the speed limit and thru red lights. he broke many laws and nobody criticised him. If he had been speed-limited the man would have probably died. and this scenario is played out very often.

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Reply #205 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 12:53pm

And I can say that Rural Fire Service volunteers, on their way to a fire, are REQUIRED TO OBEY THE SPEED LIMITS.

Eveyone has an excuse - I'm merely predicting what I firmly believe will happen.

And if the friend with the injured person had caused a head-on at a set of traffic lights?

My father saved a baby in similar circumstances when I was a child. Collision - doctors said dad was a hero, all that.

Now, in 2010, things are different.

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Reply #206 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 12:58pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 12:34pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 12:18pm:

Speed limiters are a stupid and dangerous idea.

Sometimes you need to drive faster than the alloted speed limit for the road to avoid an accident.

I was clocked in Australia doing 69 in a 60 km/hr zone and I wrote a detailed letter explaining why I had to speed up to avoid clashing with a car that had pulled out of a driveway quickly. Because it was dark and cars were behind me, it would have been dangerous to stop quickly and to avert the danger it was necessary to speed up.

I had the points and fine cancelled as a result 3 weeks later.

Speed limiters would prevent this sensible course of driving.

a friend of mine drove a seriously injured (impaled) person to hospital. He drove above the speed limit and thru red lights. he broke many laws and nobody criticised him. If he had been speed-limited the man would have probably died. and this scenario is played out very often.

I've been in a similar situation, broke most laws in the book.

In situations like this, it is justified, and I've been told that by both a doctor AND a cop.

So who am I to argue. (BTW, the passenger would NOT have survived otherwise, as in your case, Longy).

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Reply #207 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:03pm

Please delete wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 12:53pm:

And I can say that Rural Fire Service volunteers, on their way to a fire, are REQUIRED TO OBEY THE SPEED LIMITS.

Eveyone has an excuse - I'm merely predicting what I firmly believe will happen.

And if the friend with the injured person had caused a head-on at a set of traffic lights?

My father saved a baby in similar circumstances when I was a child. Collision - doctors said dad was a hero, all that.

Now, in 2010, things are different.

Life is a serious of risks. the driver had to choose between almost certain death and a increased risk of accident on the way. YOU would have chose certain death and I have no idea why. and apparently neither does anyone else. Speed limits are after all, ARBITRARY. they are chosen for consistency and usually the lowest common denominator. if a person drove at 80 in a 60 zoen during an emergency it is arguable that in most cases the increased risk was negligable on main roads.

I am NOT arguing for an end to speed limits or speeding fines but rather saying that there are legitimate reasons at times while you say that there are none. I will choose LIFE any day of the week rather than obey almost ANY law - as would most people. and if it means speeding then so be it.

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Reply #208 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:05pm

Please delete wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 12:53pm:

And I can say that Rural Fire Service volunteers, on their way to a fire, are REQUIRED TO OBEY THE SPEED LIMITS.

Eveyone has an excuse - I'm merely predicting what I firmly believe will happen.

And if the friend with the injured person had caused a head-on at a set of traffic lights?

My father saved a baby in similar circumstances when I was a child. Collision - doctors said dad was a hero, all that.

Now, in 2010, things are different.

so what your dad did was intrinsically wrong? or that someone how in 2010 it is no longer ok to save a life by breaking a speed limit?

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #209 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:07pm I'll ask again: "And if the friend with the injured person had caused a head-on at a set of traffic lights? " Friend dead anyway? Family of 4 killed in the other car? Cowboys always have an excuse. The ends doesn't always justify the means.
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