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Reply #210 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:07pm

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And I can say that Rural Fire Service volunteers, on their way to a fire, are REQUIRED TO OBEY THE SPEED LIMITS.

Actually, emergency services vehicles ARE allowed to exceed the speed limit but are required to justify it - eg life-saving emergency. A bit like what I am saying we as individuals currently do.

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Reply #212 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:16pm

Here I go again, weighing in on the tangent...oh what the hey...

In an emergency, I think that most people would take greater risks and bend their usual respect for arbitrary laws - but the first rule in first aid (or any other response to an emergency) is necessarily: DANGER, i.e. SAFETY FIRST...

Oh, and there was a very recent case of a NSW woman being killed by an Ambulance: -

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/woman-dies-after-being-hit-by-a...

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Woman dies after being hit by ambulance

September 4, 2010

The NSW Ambulance Service has offered its condolences after one of its emergency vehicles hit and killed a woman in Sydney.

Chief Executive Greg Rochford on Saturday said the ambulance service was saddened by the accident that had affected everyone.

"We are deeply saddened by this tragic incident which has also affected everyone in the ambulance service," he said in a statement.

"The paramedics involved in the accident were most distressed by the incident and after doing all that they could at the scene, were transported to Royal Prince Alfred Hospital by colleagues.

"All of Ambulance's staff support services have been activated overnight following the very tragic event and will continue to provide support to the staff involved."

A woman died after being hit by an ambulance on Parramatta at Camperdown in Sydney's inner west at about 10pm (AEST) on Friday.

Police said the ambulance, with its flashing lights and siren on, was travelling west on Parramatta Road, when the woman apparently stepped into its path.

The woman died at the scene and the driver and passenger in the ambulance, both men, were taken to hospital to be treated for shock, police said.

Officers from Newtown Local Area Command are investigating the incident and any witnesses are urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

I'm not suggesting that the Ambo's were at fault in any way, but shyte happens - and all risks should be limited where possible...

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Reply #213 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:16pm

Please delete wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:07pm:

I'll ask again:

"And if the friend with the injured person had caused a head-on at a set of traffic lights? "

Friend dead anyway? Family of 4 killed in the other car?

Cowboys always have an excuse.

The ends doesn't always justify the means.

99 times out of 100 there would be no accident. but you would sacrifice the 99 on the OFF CHANCE there might be an accident? and while you are right that the end doesnt JUSTIFY the means it doesnt also imply that the 'end' should not influence our 'means'. If you seriously want to suggest that not even saving a life should allow us to speed then I think you need a serious overhaul in your personal ethics. and PLEASE.. never become an ambulance driver. I couldnt see you shortening a legally-demanded lunch break to save a life. after all, the law is paramount over all - including life, right?

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Reply #214 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:21pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:16pm:

Here I go again, weighing in on the tangent...oh what the hey...

In an emergency, I think that most people would take greater risks and bend their usual respect of arbitrary laws - but the first rule in first aid (or any other response to an emergency) is necessarily: DANGER, i.e. SAFETY FIRST...

Oh, and there was a very recent case of a NSW woman being killed by an Ambulance: -

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/woman-dies-after-being-hit-by-a...

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Woman dies after being hit by ambulance

September 4, 2010

The NSW Ambulance Service has offered its condolences after one of its emergency vehicles hit and killed a woman in Sydney.

Chief Executive Greg Rochford on Saturday said the ambulance service was saddened by the accident that had affected everyone.

"We are deeply saddened by this tragic incident which has also affected everyone in the ambulance service," he said in a statement.

"The paramedics involved in the accident were most distressed by the incident and after doing all that they could at the scene, were transported to Royal Prince Alfred Hospital by colleagues.

"All of Ambulance's staff support services have been activated overnight following the very tragic event and will continue to provide support to the staff involved."

A woman died after being hit by an ambulance on Parramatta at Camperdown in Sydney's inner west at about 10pm (AEST) on Friday.

Police said the ambulance, with its flashing lights and siren on, was travelling west on Parramatta Road, when the woman apparently stepped into its path.

The woman died at the scene and the driver and passenger in the ambulance, both men, were taken to hospital to be treated for shock, police said.

Officers from Newtown Local Area Command are investigating the incident and any witnesses are urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

I'm not suggesting that the Ambo's were at fault in any way, but shyte happens - and all risks should be limited where possible...

and the ambulance wasnt speeding and the pedestrian appeasr to be 100% at fault. Like you said, nemesis, life is a series of risks and the important things in life require more risk than others. and as a general rule, breaking the law is unwise but when law clearly impedes safety then only a fool obeys it. overtaking shoudl be done at a minimum of 20KMhr faster than the person you are overtaking. if this involves speeding then it is clearly much more preferable to being on the wrong side of the road 4 times as long! Raod safety advisors even suggest it.

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Reply #215 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:24pm

Experts in the field always say NOT TO SPEED even in those circumstances.

I don't mind a scenario where someone breaks the law, is called to justify their actions, and is patted on the back for doing the right thing. However, I bet that the main reason people get away with such actions is that they aren't caught in the act, and no-one was hurt.

If you can guarantee that me and mine won't be injured by a panicked driver rushing his child to a hospital with a bad cough, I'll say go for it.

But you can't, and therefore the only reasonable answer is for everyone to show respect for the lethality involved in driving a motor vehicle.

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Reply #217 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:29pm

Please delete wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:24pm:

Experts in the field always say NOT TO SPEED even in those circumstances.

I don't mind a scenario where someone breaks the law, is called to justify their actions, and is patted on the back for doing the right thing. I bet that the main reason people get away with such actions is that they aren't caught in the act, and no-one was hurt.

If you can guarantee that me and mine won't be injured by a panicked driver rushing his child to a hospital with a bad cough, I'll say go for it.

But you can't, and therefore the only reasonable answer is for everyone to show respect for the lethality involved in driving a motor vehicle.

you want GUARANTEES? what planet do you live on? nothign has a guarantee on it - not even life itself. we always have to make choices and these choices are based not on guarantees but on risk. most decisions have very little risk but at the sametime very little reward either. but when a life is at stake the acceptable risk is suddenly a lot higher. If my child's life was at risk and I had to choose between speeding or letting her die then what kind of freak would I be to even think about the choice? Im not saying do 200 along a side road but I am saying that 90 on a main road is a very small risk compared to the certainly of a death. Your attitude amazes me. IM sure you woudl think differently if a loved one was in the seat next to you bleeding to death and you had to choose between speeding and their death. At least I hope so.

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Reply #219 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:31pm

Please delete wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:24pm:

Experts in the field always say NOT TO SPEED even in those circumstances.

I don't mind a scenario where someone breaks the law, is called to justify their actions, and is patted on the back for doing the right thing. However, I bet that the main reason people get away with such actions is that they aren't caught in the act, and no-one was hurt.

If you can guarantee that me and mine won't be injured by a panicked driver rushing his child to a hospital with a bad cough, I'll say go for it.

But you can't, and therefore the only reasonable answer is for everyone to show respect for the lethality involved in driving a motor vehicle.

It wasnt a COUGH you moron. it was a fence post right thru the persons body. what is it about risk assessment that you just DONT GET?

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Reply #220 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:32pm

Please delete wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:31pm:

If your actions endanger my life, yes, I want you controlled.

and there is the crux to it all... it is all about YOU and bugger everyone else. And porbably what you support the NBN... because YOU want faster internet.

explains everything perfectly.

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Reply #221 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:37pm

Please delete wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:27pm:

I don't understand the relevance of the accident in Newtown with the Ambulance.

The pedestrian appears to have been at fault. No laws were being broken. Therefore it's not relevant.

Actually, the article doesn't put the Ambos totally in the clear - by my reckoning, it doesn't provide sufficient details for such a legal conclusion to be drawn. There is also no evidence, either way, as to whether they complied with usual professional protocols.

I am also not aware of the outcome of any relevant investigations. Therefore, the relevance is probably yet to be determined.

I didn't mean to sidetrack the discussion - merely wanted to provide an example of where an emergency situation tragically resulted in an additional road casualty...

Either way, I doubt that the woman's loved ones would be so quick to place 100% blame on the dead woman based on the information in that article...

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Reply #223 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:41pm

Mr weekend, you can get angry and sarcastic all you like, but everything in these matters is "about you".

You've tangentialized this to ridiculous extremes, but I will maintain.

You are NOT capable of driving a car beyond the speed limits imposed by an expert, looking at the conditions, without endangering lives.

You don't have the driving training, the specially equipped vehicle, the flashing lights and siren.

To drive beyond the speed limits, in a panicked matter NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES, is to endanger your own life, your injured passengers' life, and other people's lives.

But don't let common sense stop you.

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Reply #224 - Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:49pm

Please delete wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 1:31pm:

If your actions endanger my life, yes, I want you controlled.

I'll make that decision based upon the circumstances at the time, the availability or otherwise of professional assistance, and the prevailing conditions.

And if it happens to be a loved one, or a child, or if there's no other alternative, then all I can say is that you'd better get the smack out of my way.

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