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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #30 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:31am I understand that you said that the cost of Rudd cancelling Howard's limp proposal was $4B. You said the cost was $4B, now you admit that you knew that this was not the case. Is that lying, mr weekend?
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Reply #31 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:39am

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:22am:

this because our copper lines are at the end of their lifespan .. we have no technical future proofing left ..

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/files/2010/09/nbn1.PNG

No one is saying that isnt true. What we are syaing is that the FIRST step is to get everyone ADSL2 standard (not very expensive) and then upgrade the backbone to fibre and THEN to offer fiber to the home or business based on need. most small business wnt need very fast internet nor do most residences. So this plan is based on paying for what we need, not what we want while at the same time providing cutting edge internet whree needed.

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Reply #32 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:45am

Please delete wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:31am:

I understand that you said that the cost of Rudd cancelling Howard's limp proposal was $4B.

You said the cost was $4B, now you admit that you knew that this was not the case.

Is that lying, mr weekend?

You misinterpreted me. the $4B was allocated in the budget and the contract was then cancelled. the point is that this woudl already be done now if not for Rudd cancelling it and replacing it with... NOTHING.

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Reply #33 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:49am

Pyne flags broadband change
September 19, 2010

Opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne has flagged that the coalition may change its broadband policy.

The coalition took a $6 billion

patchwork broadband plan

to the federal election, while Labor presented voters with its $43 billion national broadband network (NBN).

Mr Pyne said the opposition's new communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull would be charged with ... promoting the coalition's policy and I'm sure there will be refinements to all coalition policies over the coming months, and if necessary years," he told ABC TV on Sunday.

Mr Pyne said the coalition would be irresponsible not to adapt its policies as "circumstances" changed.

"You wouldn't expect our policies in 2010 to be precisely the same as 2013," he said.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/pyne-flags-broadband-change-20100919-15hol.htm...

Obviously the baked bean can and string model didn't go down too well with the electorate - at the Federal Election
It seems to be the issue with rural Australia that swayed the independents into supporting a Labor minority government

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #34 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:51am Good idea to give it rural Australia first though isn't it Buzz? You know when 70%+ Australians live in the cities, it's obvious they should get it second......
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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #35 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:54am Have to agree with Mr Hicks in this matter. It doesn't make sense to spend the bulk of the money and do the bulk of the work, in the sector least likely to take it up. Implement FIRST in the cities, get the income happening, and then do the country areas.
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Reply #36 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:56am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:49am:

Pyne flags broadband change
September 19, 2010

Opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne has flagged that the coalition may change its broadband policy.

The coalition took a $6 billion

patchwork broadband plan

to the federal election, while Labor presented voters with its $43 billion national broadband network (NBN).

Mr Pyne said the opposition's new communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull would be charged with ... promoting the coalition's policy and I'm sure there will be refinements to all coalition policies over the coming months, and if necessary years," he told ABC TV on Sunday.

Mr Pyne said the coalition would be irresponsible not to adapt its policies as "circumstances" changed.

"You wouldn't expect our policies in 2010 to be precisely the same as 2013," he said.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/pyne-flags-broadband-change-20100919-15hol.htm...

Obviously the baked bean can and string model didn't go down too well with the electorate - at the Federal Election
It seems to be the issue with rural Australia that swayed the independents into supporting a Labor minority government

pretty simplistic thinking. Given that labor got an electoral smacking and the Libs nearly won govt Id say the internet proposal by labor has quite thin support among the electorate.

But What about the OP buzz? what would YOU use faster internet for that you currentl cant use?

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Reply #37 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:57am

Please delete wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:54am:

Have to agree with Mr Hicks in this matter.

It doesn't make sense to spend the bulk of the money and do the bulk of the work, in the sector least likely to take it up.

Implement FIRST in the cities, get the income happening, and then do the country areas.

But isnt your arguement that ADSL2 isnt good enough because it isnt country wide.

What income are you talking about?

They have to put it in the country anyway, why not start there first?

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #38 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:01am What makes more economic sense - roll out fibre 5 kms from an exchange, and pick up 2000 customers, or roll out fibre 250 kms to another town, and pick up 100 customers?
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #39 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:01am I have not yet heard a compelling argument for faster internet. No one has yet come up with a need for it.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #40 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:02am Please delete wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:01am: What makes more economic sense - roll out fibre 5 kms from an exchange, and pick up 2000 customers, or roll out fibre 250 kms to another town, and pick up 100 customers? and suddenyl the economic argument starts to take hold...
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Reply #41 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:05am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:56am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:49am:

Pyne flags broadband change
September 19, 2010

Opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne has flagged that the coalition may change its broadband policy.

The coalition took a $6 billion

patchwork broadband plan

to the federal election, while Labor presented voters with its $43 billion national broadband network (NBN).

Mr Pyne said the opposition's new communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull would be charged with ... promoting the coalition's policy and I'm sure there will be refinements to all coalition policies over the coming months, and if necessary years," he told ABC TV on Sunday.

Mr Pyne said the coalition would be irresponsible not to adapt its policies as "circumstances" changed.

"You wouldn't expect our policies in 2010 to be precisely the same as 2013," he said.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/pyne-flags-broadband-change-20100919-15hol.htm...

Obviously the baked bean can and string model didn't go down too well with the electorate - at the Federal Election
It seems to be the issue with rural Australia that swayed the independents into supporting a Labor minority government

pretty simplistic thinking. Given that labor got an electoral smacking and the Libs nearly won govt Id say the internet proposal by labor has quite thin support among the electorate.

But What about the OP buzz? what would YOU use faster internet for that you currentl cant use?

I hadn't given the speed a lot of thought
I'd just be greatful of a service that provide access 60 minutes in the hour - 24/7
No 2 hour dropouts on cloudy days

All a part of satellite and wireless DNA - but all that is available to VAST tracts of the country

In MY case, satellite ONLY...
At DOUBLE the price, HALF the speed (on a good day) and half the download of ADSL2

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Reply #42 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:07am

The NBN is to replace the entire telecommunications infrastructure across Australia ... the country areas had very poor service when compared to the city ..

Telstra had been told several times before and during when they got sold off to fix certain things which they still hadn't .. Howards bandaid fix to this was to try to get ADSL to these regions but seeing as the whole infrastructure was not going to last more then 5 or so years lifespan wise it was decided to replace it all ..

They decided to do the country areas first because they had always been lacking these services and with the view to keep these areas still going ..

It has nothing to do with who gets what first or how much do you roll out .. It has to do with services provided . They will roll out cable and not see a customer but that is the same now with copper ... It is all areas need a modern service that is future proofed...

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Reply #43 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:10am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:05am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:56am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:49am:

Pyne flags broadband change
September 19, 2010

Opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne has flagged that the coalition may change its broadband policy.

The coalition took a $6 billion

patchwork broadband plan

to the federal election, while Labor presented voters with its $43 billion national broadband network (NBN).

Mr Pyne said the opposition's new communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull would be charged with ... promoting the coalition's policy and I'm sure there will be refinements to all coalition policies over the coming months, and if necessary years," he told ABC TV on Sunday.

Mr Pyne said the coalition would be irresponsible not to adapt its policies as "circumstances" changed.

"You wouldn't expect our policies in 2010 to be precisely the same as 2013," he said.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/pyne-flags-broadband-change-20100919-15hol.htm...

Obviously the baked bean can and string model didn't go down too well with the electorate - at the Federal Election
It seems to be the issue with rural Australia that swayed the independents into supporting a Labor minority government

pretty simplistic thinking. Given that labor got an electoral smacking and the Libs nearly won govt Id say the internet proposal by labor has quite thin support among the electorate.

But What about the OP buzz? what would YOU use faster internet for that you currentl cant use?

I hadn't given the speed a lot of thought
I'd just be greatful of a service that provide access 60 minutes in the hour - 24/7
No 2 hour dropouts on cloudy days

All a part of satellite and wireless DNA - but all that is available to VAST tracts of the country

In MY case, satellite ONLY...
At DOUBLE the price, HALF the speed (on a good day) and half the download of ADSL2

so fully wired up ADLS 2+ standard internet would be awesome for you? the same service you woudl now have if Howard had been elected instead of Rudd?

Interesting...

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Reply #44 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:10am

Please delete wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:01am:

What makes more economic sense - roll out fibre 5 kms from an exchange, and pick up 2000 customers, or roll out fibre 250 kms to another town, and pick up 100 customers?

But the promise was it was to be australia wide, and access was foreveryone.

So it has to go to the country anyway.

At least this way we know in the country we will definatley get something for a change, not get the usual "sorry, money ran out" line we have got from a NSW labor state government for 15 years.

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