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Reply #45 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:11am
 
Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:07am:
The NBN is to replace the entire telecommunications infrastructure across Australia ... the country areas had very poor service when compared to the city ..

Telstra had been told several times before and during when they got sold off to fix certain things which they still hadn't .. Howards bandaid fix to this was to try to get ADSL to these regions but seeing as the whole infrastructure was not going to last more then 5 or so years lifespan wise it was decided to replace it all ..

They decided to do the country areas first because they had always been lacking these services and with the view to keep these areas still going ..

It has nothing to do with who gets what first or how much do you roll out .. It has to do with services provided . They will roll out cable and not see a customer but that is the same now with copper ... It is all areas need a modern service that is future proofed...  



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Reply #46 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:12am
 
Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:07am:
They decided to do the country areas first because they had always been lacking these services and with the view to keep these areas still going ..




Yep that is EXACTLY why they plan to do the country/rural areas first.
It has absolutely nothing whatsoever with the fact the two MPs who they need the vote of to govern come from rural areas at all.

That is mere coincidence.

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Reply #47 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:13am
 
Yes, you'll get it first, and the cities will get the new improved bug free iterations.
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Reply #48 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:15am
 
we will all end up with none of it. eventually someone somewhere in the decision making process wil ask where the money is coming from. and then it will all stop. and then the process starts all over again to get ADLS out to regional areas and other dead spots. and it will be 2015 and stil no broadband internet in these areas because no one can ever make up their mind and stick to it!
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Reply #49 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:18am
 
Which is exactly what would have happened under the coalition, had Howard been elected - we'd have had another "non-core promise" experience.

Costello would have rolled Howard, and all the priorities would have changed.
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Reply #50 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:18am
 
so you are saying the NBN isn't going to replace our entire phone network the NBN is going to give us high speed broadband and advanced digital services eg.. video / voip phones 

you are saying the country areas have better service then us for phones / internet that is utter shite..

you are saying the lifespan isn't reached for our copper lines  here is our copper lines charted and all on lifespan we reached them last year
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Reply #51 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:21am
 
I spoke to a colleague who attended an Institute of Australian Directors forum in Canberra last week.
He said a couple of queries about this network came up.

A few public servants who were there didn't give much of an answer and the general mood (replicated all around Canberra so he tells me) is that this Government isn't going to be around in its current form anyway so there is little being done.

The public servants threw up their hands at every question and answered 'we don't know'.

Don't expect too much to get done on the network, of even anything judging by the sounds of what I heard.
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Reply #52 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:21am
 
Andrei the NBN was arranged  a year before the election and set to go to these areas Tasmania was first ...

the problem that will stop the NBN now is the lib / nats but instead of blaming them they will blame labor

And Andrei i speak to quiet a few people who are involved with the NBN rollout and what you are saying is a lie they are not linked to government for the technical aspects it is clearly stated on their site ..

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On 7 April 2009 the Australian Government announced the establishment of NBN Co Limited (NBN Co) to design, build and operate the wholesale-only National Broadband Network (NBN).

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Reply #53 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:22am
 
http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2010/08/04/Would-Tony-Abbott-really-be-stu...

It was Nick Minchin who said that his broadband was fast enough for him. He could not see why the country should embark on an expensive very fast fibre-to-the-home/business/institution National Broadband Network. So if today’s broadband is good enough for Nick, what on earth are the NBN advocates carrying on about?

As has been the case with other worthy initiatives it has introduced, the Government has not clearly explained to the people just what an NBN would do for this country. This piece is an attempt to fill that gap.

What will the NBN do that current broadband won’t?

Well, it will connect 93 percent of all Australian homes, schools and workplaces with broadband services with speeds up to 100 megabits per second – a 100 times faster than those currently used by many households and businesses, and connect all other premises with next generation wireless (4%) and satellite technologies (3%) that will deliver broadband speeds of 12 megabits per second with average data rates more than 20 times higher than most users of these technologies experience today.

For more details of the NBN, click here.  To see the map of where the NBN and the other technologies will be connected, click here. 



What will the NBN do for us?

For those who download music and video, films and the like, download times will be vastly decreased, minutes instead of hours. Now if that was all the NBN achieved, it could be argued that the value of spending $43 billion on it would be questionable. But, good though these faster speeds are for music lovers and film buffs, it is all the other things that will be achieved that make the expense not just worthwhile, but essential.

The most significant hindrance to the NBN is the paucity of imagination of those who offer an opinion. There are applications of this super-fast technology that have not even been thought of. Time and again inventions have been discounted by the unimaginative, such as the US army general who, early last century, said he couldn’t see a place for the new-fangled airplane in warfare. While watching the first episode of Return to Cranford on ABC TV, it was fascinating to see the resistance of the folk in that small village to the advent of the steam train and a rail line coming to their village. They were not only fearful about its effect, but skeptical about its value too. It reminded me of the comments of Nick Minchin and Tony Abbott, who says he will offer a ‘no frills’ version of broadband, not this flash expensive thing called an NBN.

So let’s leave the unimaginative to their narrow thinking and expand our minds to imagine what the NBN can do, might do.


cont,  with More topics follow link

Health care?
What about education?
Would it help business?
What about local business?
The personal benefits
Where is the NBN at
?
Etc....

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Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet?
Reply #54 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:23am
 
Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:18am:
so you are saying the NBN isn't going to replace our entire phone network the NBN is going to give us high speed broadband and advanced digital services eg.. video / voip phones  

you are saying the country areas have better service then us for phones / internet that is utter shite..

you are saying the lifespan isn't reached for our copper lines  here is our copper lines charted and all on lifespan we reached them last year
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/files/2010/09/nbn1.PNG


you stil havent come up with a need for faster internet yet. nor have you come up with a need to replace the phone network which frankly works and works well. and since most people are using mobiles rather than land lines the argument gets even thinner.
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Reply #55 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:25am
 


longweekend- there are numerous articles out there telling why and what a faster internet service will do. Its called research.
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Reply #56 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:26am
 
Quote:
http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2010/08/04/Would-Tony-Abbott-really-be-stu...

It was Nick Minchin who said that his broadband was fast enough for him. He could not see why the country should embark on an expensive very fast fibre-to-the-home/business/institution National Broadband Network. So if today’s broadband is good enough for Nick, what on earth are the NBN advocates carrying on about?

As has been the case with other worthy initiatives it has introduced, the Government has not clearly explained to the people just what an NBN would do for this country. This piece is an attempt to fill that gap.

What will the NBN do that current broadband won’t?

Well, it will connect 93 percent of all Australian homes, schools and workplaces with broadband services with speeds up to 100 megabits per second – a 100 times faster than those currently used by many households and businesses, and connect all other premises with next generation wireless (4%) and satellite technologies (3%) that will deliver broadband speeds of 12 megabits per second with average data rates more than 20 times higher than most users of these technologies experience today.

For more details of the NBN, click here.  To see the map of where the NBN and the other technologies will be connected, click here.  



What will the NBN do for us?

For those who download music and video, films and the like, download times will be vastly decreased, minutes instead of hours. Now if that was all the NBN achieved, it could be argued that the value of spending $43 billion on it would be questionable. But, good though these faster speeds are for music lovers and film buffs, it is all the other things that will be achieved that make the expense not just worthwhile, but essential.

The most significant hindrance to the NBN is the paucity of imagination of those who offer an opinion. There are applications of this super-fast technology that have not even been thought of. Time and again inventions have been discounted by the unimaginative, such as the US army general who, early last century, said he couldn’t see a place for the new-fangled airplane in warfare. While watching the first episode of Return to Cranford on ABC TV, it was fascinating to see the resistance of the folk in that small village to the advent of the steam train and a rail line coming to their village. They were not only fearful about its effect, but skeptical about its value too. It reminded me of the comments of Nick Minchin and Tony Abbott, who says he will offer a ‘no frills’ version of broadband, not this flash expensive thing called an NBN.

So let’s leave the unimaginative to their narrow thinking and expand our minds to imagine what the NBN can do, might do.


cont,  with More topics follow link

Health care?
What about education?
Would it help business?
What about local business?
The personal benefits
Where is the NBN at
?
Etc....



and there is the admission that the NBN is for applications 'we havent yet imagined'. the implicit admission is that what we have now is good enough.

so I repeat... why are we upgrading this network at a truly horrendous cost for a need that doesnt exist?
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Reply #57 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:26am
 
we have all told you why ... remote hospitals , remote schooling , internet Tv , gaming , smart appliances , video phones / voip service

and if you look at the chart above you will see it isn't good enough .. technology moves forward .. we cant so we stay behind and lose the benefits of a technological economy ..

but hang on that is the coalition mantra
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Reply #58 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:29am
 
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longweekend- there are numerous articles out there telling why and what a faster internet service will do. Its called research.


then list them for us. and in particular list what reasons the average householder will ahve need for it!
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Reply #59 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:31am
 
Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:26am:
we have all told you why ... remote hospitals , remote schooling , internet Tv , gaming , smart appliances , video phones / voip service

and if you look at the chart above you will see it isn't good enough .. technology moves forward .. we cant so we stay behind and lose the benefits of a technological economy ..

but hang on that is the coalition mantra


we can do all that now. internet TV is probably the only application that wouldnt really work very well. but that is hardly the killer application that justifies a $43B spend.
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