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Reply #60 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:31am
 
Yes, I think we should ditch the F35B purchase ($35B) and the submarine projects too.

After all, the F-111 can still fly can't it? And what do we need subs for? Most of us never go under water in the bath!
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Reply #61 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:32am
 
NBN cost could rise on ACCC ruling: report

The construction cost of the national broadband network could rise by as much as $2 billion dollars under proposed new prices for telcos that use Telstra Corporation Ltd's fixed-line assets, according to The Australian Financial Review.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) released draft access and line rental prices for rival telcos that provide voice, fax and broadband products over Telstra's copper network.

Companies will be charged $20 per month to supply telephone services, down from the current $25.57 in monthly wholesale line rental for homes, and $26.93 for businesses under the new pricing regime.

The ruling means that the NBN Co may be forced to raise the price of its broadband or charge lower wholesale prices than previously forecast, the AFR reports.

"The $11 billion deal (with the NBN Co) was looking good for Telstra," RBS analyst Ian Martin told the AFR. "Maybe the NBN Co will try to negotiate it down now."

The proposed new price for line-sharing services, allowing companies to supply ADSL services, is the same as the current $2.50 per month.

The price to access Telstra's copper wire running from the telephone exchange to the home in non-CBD metropolitan areas would fall from $6.60 to $6.50.

The proposed changes are intended to apply for four years from January 1, 2011, and are now open to industry feedback.

The telco industry broadly supports the new method adopted by the competition watchdog to determine these new prices, ACCC chairman Graeme Samuel said.

"The ACCC recognises that a four-year pricing guidance period will provide a level of certainty which is essential to support commercial negotiations in the industry and to continue to support the competitive supply and rollout of telecommunications services to consumers," he said in a statement.

Optus welcomed the change in pricing methods, saying it reflects the costs Telstra actually incurs supplying services on its copper network.

However, general manager of regulatory affairs Andrew Sheridan said the change did not appear to have resulted in reductions to access charges.

"Optus will examine the detailed application of the ACCC's new methodology to understand why these price changes have not eventuated," he said.

Telstra managing director of public policy and communications David Quilty said he disagreed with the changes to monthly line rental prices.

"Telstra is committed to regulatory certainty but the draft prices would mean a 24 per cent reduction in wholesale line rental prices, which undermines price stability both now and over the long-term," he said.


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Reply #62 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:34am
 
Please delete wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:31am:
Yes, I think we should ditch the F35B purchase ($35B) and the submarine projects too.

After all, the F-111 can still fly can't it? And what do we need subs for? Most of us never go under water in the bath!


ridiculous argument.

just make a REAL case for the NBN. in case you havent noticed no one can make a genuine case for this massive project. that's why labor supporters dont want a Cost Benefit Analysis - because the benefits are so few!
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Reply #63 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:36am
 
In case you hadn't noticed, I HAVE made my argument for the NBN.

Both personal and business.

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Reply #64 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:37am
 
Please delete wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:36am:
In case you hadn't noticed, I HAVE made my argument for the NBN.

Both personal and business.



ok then let me qualify it as a COMPELLING argument.
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Reply #65 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:39am
 
And you're the judge for its' "compellingness"? Sure.
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Reply #66 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:42am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:31am:
we can do all that now. internet TV is probably the only application that wouldnt really work very well. but that is hardly the killer application that justifies a $43B spend.  


We cant do Smart Appliance as we don't have fibre , internet tv no , VOIP service now are rubbish due to bandwidth / speed sounds like talking inside  washing machine so voip no.. remote diagnostic or remote surgery for hospitals no as it also relies on fibre optic..

gaming is the only one
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Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet?
Reply #67 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:45am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:10am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:05am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 10:56am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 10:49am:
Pyne flags broadband change
September 19, 2010

Opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne has flagged that the coalition may change its broadband policy.

The coalition took a $6 billion
patchwork broadband plan
to the federal election, while Labor presented voters with its $43 billion national broadband network (NBN).

Mr Pyne said the opposition's new communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull would be charged with ...   promoting the coalition's policy and I'm sure there will be refinements to all coalition policies over the coming months, and if necessary years," he told ABC TV on Sunday.

Mr Pyne said the coalition would be irresponsible not to adapt its policies as "circumstances" changed.

"You wouldn't expect our policies in 2010 to be precisely the same as 2013," he said.


http://www.theage.com.au/national/pyne-flags-broadband-change-20100919-15hol.htm...





Obviously the baked bean can and string model didn't go down too well with the electorate - at the Federal Election
It seems to be the issue with rural Australia that swayed the independents into supporting a Labor minority government




pretty simplistic thinking. Given that labor got an electoral smacking and the Libs nearly won govt Id say the internet proposal by labor has quite thin support among the electorate.

But What about the OP buzz? what would YOU use faster internet for that you currentl cant use?




I hadn't given the speed a lot of thought
I'd just be greatful of a service that provide access 60 minutes in the hour - 24/7
No 2 hour dropouts on cloudy days

All a part of satellite and wireless DNA - but all that is available to VAST tracts of the country

In MY case, satellite ONLY...
At DOUBLE the price, HALF the speed (on a good day) and half the download of ADSL2






so fully wired up ADLS 2+ standard internet would be awesome for you? the same service you woudl now have if Howard had been elected instead of Rudd?

Interesting...





It's got nothing to DO with Howard
More to do with the PRIVATISED Telstra who have ZERO interst in servicing no-profit viability regions

This is the MAJOR case against leaving vital infrastructure in the care of private enterprise

What was Howard's plan ?
To build an entire new network of telephone exchanges across the country, with a maximum of 6km from one to the next ?

(3km from an exchange, the outer impedence range from an exchange to access ADSL)


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Reply #68 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:49am
 
Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:42am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:31am:
we can do all that now. internet TV is probably the only application that wouldnt really work very well. but that is hardly the killer application that justifies a $43B spend.  


We cant do Smart Appliance as we don't have fibre , internet tv no , VOIP service now are rubbish due to bandwidth / speed sounds like talking inside  washing machine so voip no.. remote diagnostic or remote surgery for hospitals no as it also relies on fibre optic..

gaming is the only one


smart appliances are a LOW bandwidth application. VOIP is already around in many, many areas and works fine. remote diagnostic etc work - if needed - could be done by putting in high speed links specifically for the task - just as hospitals and business does now. You dont take fiber to 10million homes because 1000 might need it. that shoudl be a no-brainer.
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Reply #69 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:52am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:45am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:10am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:05am:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 10:56am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 10:49am:
Pyne flags broadband change
September 19, 2010

Opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne has flagged that the coalition may change its broadband policy.

The coalition took a $6 billion
patchwork broadband plan
to the federal election, while Labor presented voters with its $43 billion national broadband network (NBN).

Mr Pyne said the opposition's new communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull would be charged with ...   promoting the coalition's policy and I'm sure there will be refinements to all coalition policies over the coming months, and if necessary years," he told ABC TV on Sunday.

Mr Pyne said the coalition would be irresponsible not to adapt its policies as "circumstances" changed.

"You wouldn't expect our policies in 2010 to be precisely the same as 2013," he said.


http://www.theage.com.au/national/pyne-flags-broadband-change-20100919-15hol.htm...





Obviously the baked bean can and string model didn't go down too well with the electorate - at the Federal Election
It seems to be the issue with rural Australia that swayed the independents into supporting a Labor minority government




pretty simplistic thinking. Given that labor got an electoral smacking and the Libs nearly won govt Id say the internet proposal by labor has quite thin support among the electorate.

But What about the OP buzz? what would YOU use faster internet for that you currentl cant use?




I hadn't given the speed a lot of thought
I'd just be greatful of a service that provide access 60 minutes in the hour - 24/7
No 2 hour dropouts on cloudy days

All a part of satellite and wireless DNA - but all that is available to VAST tracts of the country

In MY case, satellite ONLY...
At DOUBLE the price, HALF the speed (on a good day) and half the download of ADSL2






so fully wired up ADLS 2+ standard internet would be awesome for you? the same service you woudl now have if Howard had been elected instead of Rudd?

Interesting...





It's got nothing to DO with Howard
More to do with the PRIVATISED Telstra who have ZERO interst in servicing no-profit viability regions

This is the MAJOR case against leaving vital infrastructure in the care of private enterprise

What was Howard's plan ?
To build an entire new network of telephone exchanges across the country, with a maximum of 6km from one to the next ?

(3km from an exchange, the outer impedence range from an exchange to access ADSL)




Liek it or not, the reason YOU dont have reliable ADSL2+ is because Rudd cancelled Howards contract which would have been completed by now. it is a common problem in business that by trying to attempt TOO MUCH at one time, you end up with nothing at all. this is what wil happen with this. 93% of the country could have ADLS NOW but doesnt because Rudd wanted a new all-singing project that we cant afford and will take ten years to build.
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Reply #70 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:54am
 
"which would have been completed by now"

Yeah right.
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Reply #71 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:59am
 
mellie wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:32am:
NBN cost could rise on ACCC ruling: report

The construction cost of the national broadband network could rise by as much as $2 billion dollars under proposed new prices for telcos that use Telstra Corporation Ltd's fixed-line assets, according to The Australian Financial Review.

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/ACCC-calls-for-fixed-line-pri...





Tassie NBN running under budget
August 19th, 2010

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said last night on Lateline that the Tasmanian portion of the National Broadband Network (NBN) had come in 10 per cent under budget.

Conroy made the statement in answer to a question on whether it was likely that the $43 billion price tag was likely to balloon. This had been preceded by Shadow Communications Minister Tony Smith presenting his party's policy as being "responsible, affordable and deliverable" and claiming that the NBN could cost even more than the $43 billion total (around $27 billion of which is set to be provided by government coffers).

"That is the minimum cost if everything goes right over an eight-year period," Smith had said.

Conroy answered that so far everything was running to plan.

"We have delivered the Tasmanian project on time and 10 per cent under budget," he said, adding that the 6000km backhaul backbone being rolled out by Nextgen Networks was also on time and sitting on budget.
When asked if he could guarantee that the budget would not blow out, he said that the NBN was a project that replicated itself over and over, each time with improvements in efficiency.

"We are under budget on the build so far, we've got some of the world's leading experts in technology in rolling out this network," he said.

According to Conroy, the $11 billion Telstra deal would cut the cost, quoting experts who had said it would lower the overall figure of the network by $4 to $6 billion.


http://www.zdnet.com.au/tassie-nbn-running-under-budget-conroy-339305348.htm
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Reply #72 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 12:02pm
 
I presume, too, that the NBN will be symmetrical, unlike ADSL, so upload will be as quick as download.

Am I right?
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Reply #73 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 12:12pm
 
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I presume, too, that the NBN will be symmetrical, unlike ADSL, so upload will be as quick as download.

Am I right?


no idea. do you? you can get symettrical ADLS for business now.
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Reply #74 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 12:31pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:59am:
mellie wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:32am:
NBN cost could rise on ACCC ruling: report

The construction cost of the national broadband network could rise by as much as $2 billion dollars under proposed new prices for telcos that use Telstra Corporation Ltd's fixed-line assets, according to The Australian Financial Review.

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/ACCC-calls-for-fixed-line-pri...





Tassie NBN running under budget
August 19th, 2010

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said last night on Lateline that the Tasmanian portion of the National Broadband Network (NBN) had come in 10 per cent under budget.

Conroy made the statement in answer to a question on whether it was likely that the $43 billion price tag was likely to balloon. This had been preceded by Shadow Communications Minister Tony Smith presenting his party's policy as being "responsible, affordable and deliverable" and claiming that the NBN could cost even more than the $43 billion total (around $27 billion of which is set to be provided by government coffers).

"That is the minimum cost if everything goes right over an eight-year period," Smith had said.

Conroy answered that so far everything was running to plan.

"We have delivered the Tasmanian project on time and 10 per cent under budget," he said, adding that the 6000km backhaul backbone being rolled out by Nextgen Networks was also on time and sitting on budget.
When asked if he could guarantee that the budget would not blow out, he said that the NBN was a project that replicated itself over and over, each time with improvements in efficiency.

"We are under budget on the build so far, we've got some of the world's leading experts in technology in rolling out this network," he said.

According to Conroy, the $11 billion Telstra deal would cut the cost, quoting experts who had said it would lower the overall figure of the network by $4 to $6 billion.


http://www.zdnet.com.au/tassie-nbn-running-under-budget-conroy-339305348.htm


being 10% under budget is only impressive if the budget was a proper figure in the first place. Given that the NBN was begun without a cost-benefit analysis, business plan or viability assessment, any 'budget' that was created would be no more than guess work. coming in 10% under your 'best guess' is not that impressive.
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