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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #75 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 12:36pm "no idea. do you? you can get symettrical ADLS for business now" Need some string to join those tin cans, weekend? I was asking a question. Unlike you, I don't pretend to have all the answers. Just by the way, what does the "A" stand for in ADLS (sic)?
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Reply #76 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 12:41pm

Please delete wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 12:36pm:

"no idea. do you? you can get symettrical ADLS for business now"

Need some string to join those tin cans, weekend?

I was asking a question. Unlike you, I don't pretend to have all the answers.

Just by the way, what does the "A" stand for in ADLS (sic)?

to be strictly pedantic you get symettrical DSL. the point is that it actually EXISTS now and business is already using it. You can also tie ADLS together to multiply your effectyive bandwith. and there is also available 100Mbs fibre connections for business.

My point is not the technical superiority of the NBN but its cost effectiveness. and given that no one can find a genuine need - specially domestic need - for this extra bandwidth, then i question the truly horrendous expense.

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Reply #78 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 12:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:52am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:10am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:05am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:56am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:49am:

Pyne flags broadband change
September 19, 2010

Opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne has flagged that the coalition may change its broadband policy.

The coalition took a $6 billion

patchwork broadband plan

to the federal election, while Labor presented voters with its $43 billion national broadband network (NBN).

Mr Pyne said the opposition's new communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull would be charged with ... promoting the coalition's policy and I'm sure there will be refinements to all coalition policies over the coming months, and if necessary years," he told ABC TV on Sunday.

Mr Pyne said the coalition would be irresponsible not to adapt its policies as "circumstances" changed.

"You wouldn't expect our policies in 2010 to be precisely the same as 2013," he said.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/pyne-flags-broadband-change-20100919-15hol.htm...

Obviously the baked bean can and string model didn't go down too well with the electorate - at the Federal Election
It seems to be the issue with rural Australia that swayed the independents into supporting a Labor minority government

pretty simplistic thinking. Given that labor got an electoral smacking and the Libs nearly won govt Id say the internet proposal by labor has quite thin support among the electorate.

But What about the OP buzz? what would YOU use faster internet for that you currentl cant use?

I hadn't given the speed a lot of thought
I'd just be greatful of a service that provide access 60 minutes in the hour - 24/7
No 2 hour dropouts on cloudy days

All a part of satellite and wireless DNA - but all that is available to VAST tracts of the country

In MY case, satellite ONLY...
At DOUBLE the price, HALF the speed (on a good day) and half the download of ADSL2

so fully wired up ADLS 2+ standard internet would be awesome for you? the same service you woudl now have if Howard had been elected instead of Rudd?

Interesting...

It's got nothing to DO with Howard
More to do with the PRIVATISED Telstra who have ZERO interst in servicing no-profit viability regions

This is the MAJOR case against leaving vital infrastructure in the care of private enterprise

What was Howard's plan ?
To build an entire new network of telephone exchanges across the country, with a maximum of 6km from one to the next ?

(3km from an exchange, the outer impedence range from an exchange to access ADSL)

Liek it or not, the reason YOU dont have reliable ADSL2+ is because Rudd cancelled Howards contract which would have been completed by now. it is a common problem in business that by trying to attempt TOO MUCH at one time, you end up with nothing at all. this is what wil happen with this. 93% of the country could have ADLS NOW but doesnt because Rudd wanted a new all-singing project that we cant afford and will take ten years to build.

I'll have to disagree on that point longy...
Howard's NBN plan would have meant that 93% of the country would have received WIRELESS service, using a system that was so outdated, (even at the time) that the signal would have dropped out from interference everytime you turned the microwave on...

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #79 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 12:50pm Please delete wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 12:47pm: Ok, since you've repeated it, what is "ADLS", and what does the "A" stand for? asymetical as you already know - as did I. you are strong on pedantry and very thin on facts - like what we want this white elephant for!
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Reply #80 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 12:52pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 12:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:52am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:10am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 11:05am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:56am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 10:49am:

Pyne flags broadband change
September 19, 2010

Opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne has flagged that the coalition may change its broadband policy.

The coalition took a $6 billion

patchwork broadband plan

to the federal election, while Labor presented voters with its $43 billion national broadband network (NBN).

Mr Pyne said the opposition's new communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull would be charged with ... promoting the coalition's policy and I'm sure there will be refinements to all coalition policies over the coming months, and if necessary years," he told ABC TV on Sunday.

Mr Pyne said the coalition would be irresponsible not to adapt its policies as "circumstances" changed.

"You wouldn't expect our policies in 2010 to be precisely the same as 2013," he said.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/pyne-flags-broadband-change-20100919-15hol.htm...

Obviously the baked bean can and string model didn't go down too well with the electorate - at the Federal Election
It seems to be the issue with rural Australia that swayed the independents into supporting a Labor minority government

pretty simplistic thinking. Given that labor got an electoral smacking and the Libs nearly won govt Id say the internet proposal by labor has quite thin support among the electorate.

But What about the OP buzz? what would YOU use faster internet for that you currentl cant use?

I hadn't given the speed a lot of thought
I'd just be greatful of a service that provide access 60 minutes in the hour - 24/7
No 2 hour dropouts on cloudy days

All a part of satellite and wireless DNA - but all that is available to VAST tracts of the country

In MY case, satellite ONLY...
At DOUBLE the price, HALF the speed (on a good day) and half the download of ADSL2

so fully wired up ADLS 2+ standard internet would be awesome for you? the same service you woudl now have if Howard had been elected instead of Rudd?

Interesting...

It's got nothing to DO with Howard
More to do with the PRIVATISED Telstra who have ZERO interst in servicing no-profit viability regions

This is the MAJOR case against leaving vital infrastructure in the care of private enterprise

What was Howard's plan ?
To build an entire new network of telephone exchanges across the country, with a maximum of 6km from one to the next ?

(3km from an exchange, the outer impedence range from an exchange to access ADSL)

Liek it or not, the reason YOU dont have reliable ADSL2+ is because Rudd cancelled Howards contract which would have been completed by now. it is a common problem in business that by trying to attempt TOO MUCH at one time, you end up with nothing at all. this is what wil happen with this. 93% of the country could have ADLS NOW but doesnt because Rudd wanted a new all-singing project that we cant afford and will take ten years to build.

I'll have to disagree on that point longy...
Howard's NBN plan would have meant that 93% of the country would have received WIRELESS service, using a system that was so outdated, (even at the time) that the signal would have dropped out from interference everytime you turned the microwave on...

actually you are wrong. much of the plan was on removing deadspots in the cities (eg on RIMs) and on providing wireless or microwave backbone to some regional areas and then copper on to the home. it was a less effective alternative than the NBN for sure BUT it was 1/10 the cost and would already be done.

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #81 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 12:53pm One would think that such an authority as yourself, who likes to poke fun and be sarcastic in regards other peoples' posts, would know how that it is "ADSL" not "ADLS". Yes, pedantic of me, but people who play "high and mighty" often deserve being taken down a peg or two.
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Reply #82 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 1:00pm

Please delete wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 12:53pm:

One would think that such an authority as yourself, who likes to poke fun and be sarcastic in regards other peoples' posts, would know how that it is "ADSL" not "ADLS".

Yes, pedantic of me, but people who play "high and mighty" often deserve being taken down a peg or two.

the average person - even vegy - can recognise a typo from a lack of knowledge.

and you rely on pedantry to deflect from the fact that you actually have no compelling answer to the original post. you have no real answer as to why we need higher bandwidth than we currently have. no needs, no applications. and when most people already use less than 25% of their bandwidth AT MOST then the need simply ISNT THERE.

ADLS2+ is 500-1000 times the speed of dialup. THAT is a significant and essential improvement. moving from 20Mbs - 100Mbs is not that significant especially when there is almost no way you can use up your existing bandwidth - nevermind 5 times as much!

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #83 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 1:14pm No typo - I highlighted it, and you repeated your mistake - you go back and look. And I have made a very compelling answer to the OP. But mister high and mighty doesn't agree - so what? One who criticizes someone simply for asking a question - ("no idea. do you?") can't lecture ME on pedantry.
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Reply #84 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 1:27pm

excusie, if this has already been posted in any other thread...but

UPDATE Kiss

The United Nations has endorsed Australia's National Broadband Network.It describes the NBN as a 'vital engine driving economic growth'.
The UN is due to announce its own global broadband blueprint in New York.
It says the world is watching Australia's roll out.
The UN Broadband Commission criticises mobile-driven broadband policies, such as the Coalition's plan.

http://skynews.com.au/business/article.aspx?id=515573&articleID=

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Reply #85 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 1:30pm

The UN is due to announce its own global broadband blueprint in New York.
It says the world is watching Australia's roll out.

The UN Broadband Commission criticises mobile-driven broadband policies, such as the Coalition's plan

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Labor government = Moving Forwards ! Smiley

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Reply #86 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 1:30pm

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excusie, if this has already been posted in any other thread...but

UPDATE Kiss

The United Nations has endorsed Australia's National Broadband Network.It describes the NBN as a 'vital engine driving economic growth'.
The UN is due to announce its own global broadband blueprint in New York.
It says the world is watching Australia's roll out.
The UN Broadband Commission criticises mobile-driven broadband policies, such as the Coalition's plan.

http://skynews.com.au/business/article.aspx?id=515573&articleID=

THE UN FFS

Cheesy

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Reply #87 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 2:19pm

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excusie, if this has already been posted in any other thread...but

UPDATE Kiss

The United Nations has endorsed Australia's National Broadband Network.It describes the NBN as a 'vital engine driving economic growth'.
The UN is due to announce its own global broadband blueprint in New York.
It says the world is watching Australia's roll out.
The UN Broadband Commission criticises mobile-driven broadband policies, such as the Coalition's plan.

http://skynews.com.au/business/article.aspx?id=515573&articleID=

Yes, just like they endorsed a carbon-tax of which will damage our economy also.

Why do I feel as though Rudd has sold our soul to the UN?

And why are we expected to pay a carbon-tax when other developed nations have considered it, planned to implement it, only to have changed their minds at the last minute, when they realised the negative impacts it would have on their nations economy?

Frances constitutional council slammed their carbon-tax (was to be brought in January this year) as being unconstitutional, just short of it being passed.

So what are these smarter nations realising, just before they pass their own carbon-tax, that our less fortunate developing nations like India didn't figure out in time?

Roll Eyes

....Guys, this isn't like gay adoption or euthanasia, we cant just legislate this over night.

Who other than India have implemented the same hefty carbon-tax we have all intentions of passing, ...it's like the UN wants us to be forever the Aussey battlers/under-dogs

Last week Gillard had a different tax scheme, now Bob Browns put his on the table... do they draft these things up over a few rounds of naked twister or what?

Do either of them have any idea at all?

If the UN has ok'd our NBN...be concerned.

They OK'd our carbon-tax, and Frances also....among other nations now stuffed developing countries failed taxes.

Whenever Rudd goes overseas to meet with the UN, I cringe.... I honestly do.

Roll Eyes

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Reply #88 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 2:20pm

bwood1946 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 1:30pm:

Quote:

excusie, if this has already been posted in any other thread...but

UPDATE Kiss

The United Nations has endorsed Australia's National Broadband Network.It describes the NBN as a 'vital engine driving economic growth'.
The UN is due to announce its own global broadband blueprint in New York.
It says the world is watching Australia's roll out.
The UN Broadband Commission criticises mobile-driven broadband policies, such as the Coalition's plan.

http://skynews.com.au/business/article.aspx?id=515573&articleID=

THE UN FFS

Cheesy

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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: So what are you going to do with faster internet? Reply #89 - Sep 20^th, 2010 at 2:30pm Of course they would oppose Tony Abbott's coalition broadband plan, because Tony is opposed to their 'united' carbon-tax agenda. ...They will oppose anything Tony Abbott.... because he's not a suck-job and wont do what the ALP will. Which is bend over.
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