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Question: Will Gillard passing this bill effect her popularity?

Yes, adversely    
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« Created by: mellie on: Sep 30th, 2010 at 1:04pm »

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Browns euthanasia bill a perilous test for Gillard
Sep 30th, 2010 at 12:55pm
 
THE Labor leader should not let this law be put back on the books.

NEW Prime Minister Julia Gillard will be called on to reveal more of her core beliefs, with the immediate test being the euthanasia bill that highlights a cultural divide in Western society.

Greens leader Bob Brown's decision to introduce a private member's bill to restore the power of parliaments in the Northern Territory and the ACT to legislate for euthanasia poses a political challenge for the minority Labor government and for Gillard.

Brown's bill in its mechanics deals with territory powers but its essence is to open the door to euthanasia in Australia.

The bill is facilitated under new parliamentary procedures and the Labor-Greens alliance.

Gillard has announced that Labor will allow a conscience vote but that cannot gainsay the political question: Will the Gillard government become the means to authorise legalised killing in Australia by abandoning the 1997 law of the national parliament?

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/commentary/browns-euthanasia-bi...

As ethicist Margaret Somerville explains, Quote:
“In refusals of treatment that result in death, the person dies from their underlying disease – a natural death. The withdrawal of treatment is the occasion on which death occurs, but not its cause. If the person had no fatal illness, they would not die. In contrast in euthanasia, the cause of death is the lethal injection. Without that, the person would not die at that time from that cause.”
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Re: Browns euthanasia bill a perilous test for Gillard
Reply #1 - Sep 30th, 2010 at 12:57pm
 
I wonder if our new PM Bob Brown will have a win with this one.
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Re: Browns euthanasia bill a perilous test for Gillard
Reply #2 - Sep 30th, 2010 at 1:04pm
 
Adversely I think.

If not for the act of passing the bill itself, but for being seen as actively aligning too much with the left,'yet again'  at a time when Australians want her to counter-balance her weighty-left minority governments faction.

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Reply #3 - Sep 30th, 2010 at 1:14pm
 
Over the last 3 yrs I have spent a lot of time in cancer wards in Adelaide, Sydney and Singapore and I have seen many of the friends I have made in that time disappear before my eyes and die slow, and in far to many cases, undignified and painful deaths.
The Greens Euthanasia bill should never be a political or religious football and in my opinion should be passed asap!
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Reply #4 - Sep 30th, 2010 at 1:25pm
 
I don't think she'll pass it myself, though think she'll probably procrastinate, toy with it a little, just to keep Bob's idealists/followers dreams alive.

I think all he cares about is being 'seen' to be trying to pass it among eccentric ultra-left pro-euthanasia circles.... lets now call him Dr Death.

Wink I reckon he'd know it's not viable.

......  It's one of those bills you put out there to create the illusion you are 'actively' representing the radicals who voted for you, to stop them causing problems in other areas, ie chaining themselves to coal plants and storming into shops removing baby formula from shelves, to stop them making public spectacles of themselves out of boredom in the name of their green political messiah "Bob Brown" .....for their doing so too often might not be such a good look media wise for an already shaky GALP alliance.

For this reason, I don't think Gillard will support the bill, if anything, she may even go the other way and stage her opposition to it, with Bobs permission of course. Wink

Like a "See, I am not under the Greens thumb and can lead my own government" political exercise/stunt.

It's just parliamentary theatrics, keeps the far-left believing and dreaming.






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Reply #5 - Sep 30th, 2010 at 2:00pm
 
When reality bites, Gillard reverts to make believe.

She's fake-taking, and has done it with policies before, though now she has an audience to please, needs to prove herself capable of calling the shots, at a time when everyone's referring to PM Bob Brown.

Hey, if you cant make it, fake it...yes?
It's pretty clever really....  given most will deem this a true "test" of her leadership quality.

I'm waiting for the fake fall-out between her and Bob in parliament to emerge, will he storm out of parliament, or be removed by security again....someone get the pop-corn... bald protesters in bandages on the steps out the front of parliament house even?

Grin It's showtime

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Re: Browns euthanasia bill a perilous test for Gillard
Reply #6 - Sep 30th, 2010 at 3:39pm
 
Ms Gillard says Labor MPs will get a conscience vote on the issue.

But she feels "conflicted" about whether euthanasia should be legalised.

"I do find this a difficult question, sort of intellectually you would say well 'people should be able to make their own decisions'," Ms Gillard told Channel Ten.

"I find it almost impossible to conceptualise how there could be appropriate steps and safeguards, so I'm conflicted on it in that sense, so I think it's a very difficult question."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/26/3022122.htm
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Reply #7 - Sep 30th, 2010 at 3:48pm
 
it will be interesting to see how she handles this test. so far, all she has done is  bend to every demand made of her in the one-eyed pursuit of power-at-any-cost. She has thrown away almost all her principles and all her policies just to be PM. this is a government not of the people and certianly not FOR the people but purely for the ALP.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Re: Browns euthanasia bill a perilous test for Gillard
Reply #8 - Sep 30th, 2010 at 4:09pm
 
nichy wrote on Sep 30th, 2010 at 3:39pm:
Ms Gillard says Labor MPs will get a conscience vote on the issue.

But she feels "conflicted" about whether euthanasia should be legalised.

"I do find this a difficult question, sort of intellectually you would say well 'people should be able to make their own decisions'," Ms Gillard told Channel Ten.

"I find it almost impossible to conceptualise how there could be appropriate steps and safeguards, so I'm conflicted on it in that sense, so I think it's a very difficult question."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/26/3022122.htm



Pity the greens didn't spend a bit more time considering the implications and safeguards needed to kill someone.

Maybe he doesn't reckon they're natural greens voters, but killing them off would be popular with his other voters.

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Re: Browns euthanasia bill a perilous test for Gillard
Reply #9 - Sep 30th, 2010 at 4:20pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 30th, 2010 at 4:09pm:
nichy wrote on Sep 30th, 2010 at 3:39pm:
Ms Gillard says Labor MPs will get a conscience vote on the issue.

But she feels "conflicted" about whether euthanasia should be legalised.

"I do find this a difficult question, sort of intellectually you would say well 'people should be able to make their own decisions'," Ms Gillard told Channel Ten.

"I find it almost impossible to conceptualise how there could be appropriate steps and safeguards, so I'm conflicted on it in that sense, so I think it's a very difficult question."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/26/3022122.htm



Pity the greens didn't spend a bit more time considering the implications and safeguards needed to kill someone.

Maybe he doesn't reckon they're natural greens voters, but killing them off would be popular with his other voters.



The Greens dont value human life above that of plants and animals. the idea of killing people appeals to them yet ironically a war doesnt despite acehiveing one of their prime objectives.
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