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Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN! (Read 20591 times)
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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #135 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 8:38am
 
and what you fail to understand, nemesis is... well... EVERYTHING!!!  it doesnt matter who and how credible they are, you reject ANY opinion on ANY topic not 100% in line with your own. And this from a person whose technical expertise doesnt even extend as far as know that wireless operates at the speed of light. I think it woudl be fair to assume that Mr Son is aware of the differences between australia and japan. 
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whats that old saying expert on everything master of none..something like that...

nem hasnt taken into account the number of people that are being serviced...slightly more in Japan I would think... being no expert on the NBN or Japan for that matter.. the way I read it the NBN is being rolled out a bit at a time.. it isnt going to be one long cable/fibre link all around Australia..is it??.. or is it.. nothing would surprise me with labor...they know better after all said and done..and nobody else is worth listening too.. we found that out with Human climate change didnt we..

I understand as well that gillard has made it a treasonable offence to even discuss how much this blooming thing is going to cost or how many are going to sign up for the exhorbitant cost of doing so...its all secret... Y..I ask YYYYYYYYYYY... we do have rights you know.!.. not many now I grant you.
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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #136 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 9:12am
 

codswal wrote on Nov 1st, 2010 at 8:38am:
and what you fail to understand, nemesis is... well... EVERYTHING!!!  it doesnt matter who and how credible they are, you reject ANY opinion on ANY topic not 100% in line with your own. And this from a person whose technical expertise doesnt even extend as far as know that wireless operates at the speed of light. I think it woudl be fair to assume that Mr Son is aware of the differences between australia and japan.  
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whats that old saying expert on everything master of none..something like that...

nem hasnt taken into account the number of people that are being serviced...slightly more in Japan I would think... being no expert on the NBN or Japan for that matter.. the way I read it the NBN is being rolled out a bit at a time.. it isnt going to be one long cable/fibre link all around Australia..is it??.. or is it.. nothing would surprise me with labor...they know better after all said and done..and nobody else is worth listening too.. we found that out with Human climate change didnt we..

I understand as well that gillard has made it a treasonable offence to even discuss how much this blooming thing is going to cost or how many are going to sign up for the exhorbitant cost of doing so...its all secret... Y..I ask YYYYYYYYYYY... we do have rights you know.!.. not many now I grant you.


LOL, Cods...I suggest that you read back a little on this thread...

Hint: I provided the latest relevant geographic, demographic and GDP data according to Wiki.

Either way, I can't help it if you are unable to make the necessarily logical connections in your own mind...
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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #137 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 9:56am
 
NBN is good for Gillard, not taxpayers

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Posted : Tuesday, September 07, 2010

Michael Stutchbury's article on the issue was also published in The Australian

Labor's $43 billion National Broadband Network may be the most politically rewarding pork barrel of all if it gets Julia Gillard over the line with the country independents.

But, like most politically driven investment, it is unlikely to provide the best return for taxpayers and even telco users. Broadband Minister Stephen Conroy doesn't really contest this point in continuing to dodge the simple question of why Labor refuses to put the infrastructure project through a cost-benefit analysis.

Instead, Conroy points to the study he commissioned from McKinsey and KPMG that found the NBN could be built with the $43bn price tag and be "affordable for all Australians".

"We've got on with the job as we promised at the last election of building the national broadband network," he argued on the Sky News program Australian Agenda.

Except that the McKinsey "implementation study" was required to take the NBN as a given, not consider any less expensive alternatives and not conduct a cost-benefit study as urged by the Productivity Commission and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. And except that the advertised bill has blown out from $4.7bn at the last election to $43bn.

Shortly after the election, country independent Tony Windsor suggested the $43bn figure was "fictitious" and he wanted to see the "real trail" of numbers. But after being briefed, Windsor backed Labor's NBN on the weekend, describing the Coalition's $6bn alternative as "retrograde".



http://www.ceda.com.au/research/current-topics/ace/2010/09/07/nbn_stutchbury.aspx
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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #138 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 9:57am
 
Equitist wrote on Nov 1st, 2010 at 9:12am:
codswal wrote on Nov 1st, 2010 at 8:38am:
and what you fail to understand, nemesis is... well... EVERYTHING!!!  it doesnt matter who and how credible they are, you reject ANY opinion on ANY topic not 100% in line with your own. And this from a person whose technical expertise doesnt even extend as far as know that wireless operates at the speed of light. I think it woudl be fair to assume that Mr Son is aware of the differences between australia and japan.  
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whats that old saying expert on everything master of none..something like that...

nem hasnt taken into account the number of people that are being serviced...slightly more in Japan I would think... being no expert on the NBN or Japan for that matter.. the way I read it the NBN is being rolled out a bit at a time.. it isnt going to be one long cable/fibre link all around Australia..is it??.. or is it.. nothing would surprise me with labor...they know better after all said and done..and nobody else is worth listening too.. we found that out with Human climate change didnt we..

I understand as well that gillard has made it a treasonable offence to even discuss how much this blooming thing is going to cost or how many are going to sign up for the exhorbitant cost of doing so...its all secret... Y..I ask YYYYYYYYYYY... we do have rights you know.!.. not many now I grant you.


LOL, Cods...I suggest that you read back a little on this thread...

Hint: I provided the latest relevant geographic, demographic and GDP data according to Wiki.

Either way, I can't help it if you are unable to make the necessarily logical connections in your own mind...


The problem is you think ANYONE'S opinion that isnt 100% the same as yours is wrong. You will find it impossible to find a country whose geography and demographics match our own. That doesnt mean that comparisons and international opinions lose validity. It may not have occured to you, but some people are actually clever enough to take those things into account!
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #139 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 4:51pm
 
The problem is you think ANYONE'S opinion that isnt 100% the same as yours is wrong. You will find it impossible to find a country whose geography and demographics match our own. That doesnt mean that comparisons and international opinions lose validity. It may not have occured to you, but some people are actually clever enough to take those things into account!


she wont worry about that small point longy... the thing is if its all so bloody perfect and great for everyone why the secrecy?...why go to the GG to get a silencer put on any information regarding the cost of the rollout plus the cost to each household.. does nem realise that each and every Australian is going to be paying for this monster from here to kingdom come..I have read where the fibre rollout is only given 15 years warranty after that guess whos problem it is..maybe thats what gillard doesnt want us to know..
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Reply #140 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 4:51pm
 
The Australian has been caught out misrepresenting the views of the richest man in Japan, Korean-Japanese IT billionaire Masayoshi Son, as part of its campaign against the National Broadband Network.


http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/11/02/dump-your-copper-network-says-japan-it-mogul...

Dump your copper network, says Japan IT mogul — the story you weren’t told. by Bernard Keane
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Reply #141 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 6:55pm
 
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The Australian has been caught out misrepresenting the views of the richest man in Japan, Korean-Japanese IT billionaire Masayoshi Son, as part of its campaign against the National Broadband Network.


http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/11/02/dump-your-copper-network-says-japan-it-mogul...

Dump your copper network, says Japan IT mogul — the story you weren’t told. by Bernard Keane


You'd have more credibility if you gave some air play to opposing opinions in that skull of yours. it is JUST POSSIBLE that the truth is neither a labor policy nor a liberal policy but somewhere in between where commercial realities and user demands intersect.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #142 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 7:01pm
 
codswal wrote on Nov 1st, 2010 at 8:38am:
and what you fail to understand, nemesis is... well... EVERYTHING!!!  it doesnt matter who and how credible they are, you reject ANY opinion on ANY topic not 100% in line with your own. And this from a person whose technical expertise doesnt even extend as far as know that wireless operates at the speed of light. I think it woudl be fair to assume that Mr Son is aware of the differences between australia and japan. 
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whats that old saying expert on everything master of none..something like that...

nem hasnt taken into account the number of people that are being serviced...slightly more in Japan I would think... being no expert on the NBN or Japan for that matter.. the way I read it the NBN is being rolled out a bit at a time.. it isnt going to be one long cable/fibre link all around Australia..is it??.. or is it.. nothing would surprise me with labor...they know better after all said and done..and nobody else is worth listening too.. we found that out with Human climate change didnt we..

I understand as well that gillard has made it a treasonable offence to even discuss how much this blooming thing is going to cost or how many are going to sign up for the exhorbitant cost of doing so...its all secret... Y..I ask YYYYYYYYYYY... we do have rights you know.!.. not many now I grant you.

Jebus: IT SOUNDS LIKE THE LIBS ARE BLEEDING OVER THIS!

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Reply #143 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 7:05pm
 
nichy wrote on Nov 1st, 2010 at 9:56am:
NBN is good for Gillard, not taxpayers

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Posted : Tuesday, September 07, 2010

Michael Stutchbury's article on the issue was also published in The Australian

Labor's $43 billion National Broadband Network may be the most politically rewarding pork barrel of all if it gets Julia Gillard over the line with the country independents.

But, like most politically driven investment, it is unlikely to provide the best return for taxpayers and even telco users. Broadband Minister Stephen Conroy doesn't really contest this point in continuing to dodge the simple question of why Labor refuses to put the infrastructure project through a cost-benefit analysis.

Instead, Conroy points to the study he commissioned from McKinsey and KPMG that found the NBN could be built with the $43bn price tag and be "affordable for all Australians".

"We've got on with the job as we promised at the last election of building the national broadband network," he argued on the Sky News program Australian Agenda.

Except that the McKinsey "implementation study" was required to take the NBN as a given, not consider any less expensive alternatives and not conduct a cost-benefit study as urged by the Productivity Commission and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. And except that the advertised bill has blown out from $4.7bn at the last election to $43bn.

Shortly after the election, country independent Tony Windsor suggested the $43bn figure was "fictitious" and he wanted to see the "real trail" of numbers. But after being briefed, Windsor backed Labor's NBN on the weekend, describing the Coalition's $6bn alternative as "retrograde".



http://www.ceda.com.au/research/current-topics/ace/2010/09/07/nbn_stutchbury.aspx

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Reply #144 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 7:09pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 6:55pm:
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The Australian has been caught out misrepresenting the views of the richest man in Japan, Korean-Japanese IT billionaire Masayoshi Son, as part of its campaign against the National Broadband Network.


http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/11/02/dump-your-copper-network-says-japan-it-mogul...

Dump your copper network, says Japan IT mogul — the story you weren’t told. by Bernard Keane


You'd have more credibility if you gave some air play to opposing opinions in that skull of yours. it is JUST POSSIBLE that the truth is neither a labor policy nor a liberal policy but somewhere in between where commercial realities and user demands intersect.

UH-OH spaghettios! Someone has a problem with potential spin!

Everyone get paranoid NOW! "GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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Reply #145 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 7:13pm
 
I wonder : do newspapers 'spin'?!?

Now if that aint a question I don't know what is!

Man, let us all rally to restore the fear!!!!!! ['cos I just aint getting enough!]

Go free-market bullshit artists and their treasurer-in-waiting, 'COMRADE' Hockey!

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Reply #146 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 7:16pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 7:13pm:
I wonder : do newspapers 'spin'?!?

Now if that aint a question I don't know what is!

Man, let us all rally to restore the fear!!!!!! ['cos I just aint getting enough!]

Go free-market bullshit artists and their treasurer-in-waiting, 'COMRADE' Hockey!

MFDrunk: who votes with a beanie and scarf much????????????!!!!??????

  Wink Wink

WHAT AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE: TALK ABOUT A SHONKY EDUCATION SYSTEM!

Let us all get ready for another skills shortage in the building sector and reap the sonic boom for our childrens children!

Go markets! Go economic shysterism! Go fat idiots in suits laughing off their place of birth!

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Reply #147 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 7:20pm
 
It is just possible that deathridesahorse will say something that makes sense. After all, I do believe in miracles!

grow a brain, moron!
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Reply #148 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 7:36pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 7:20pm:
It is just possible that deathridesahorse will say something that makes sense. After all, I do believe in miracles!

grow a brain, moron!

hey did you even watcdh the bit about when they started taling about the foxtel cables!

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Reply #149 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 7:37pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 7:36pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 7:20pm:
It is just possible that deathridesahorse will say something that makes sense. After all, I do believe in miracles!

grow a brain, moron!

hey did you even watcdh the bit about when they started taling about the foxtel cables!

Go on, let it all out  Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry  Lips Sealed  Embarrassed Embarrassed  Cool !!!!

Oh, and the electronic medical stuff LOL

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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