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Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN! (Read 20577 times)
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Reply #150 - Nov 12th, 2010 at 11:24am
 
CONTROVERSIAL plans to extend the monopoly reach of the $43 billion high-speed broadband network could add $30 a month to phone bills.

It could also disadvantage regional economies, including Tasmania's.

NBN Co's plans have come under attack from a company selected for a $250 million government contract to build competing wholesale services to areas where Telstra is usually the only choice of broadband supplier.

Nextgen Networks has warned that NBN Co's proposal to limit the number of "points of interconnect" - the points at which retailers will be able to hook into the NBN - could crowd out competition and lead to such inefficient transit of phone calls that charges could rise by $30 a month. This would double the costs of a standard telephone service for some voice-only customers.

Nextgen, owned by construction giant Leighton Holdings, argues the extra $30 would have to be paid by either the consumer, NBN Co or through a universal-service-obligation mechanism.

Optus director of government and corporate affairs Maha Krishnapillai backed the $30 figure.

Under NBN Co's proposal, if a local call were made, say, in the NSW regional town of Armidale, it could have to be carried all the way back to Sydney to an interconnect there, then back to Armidale, he said.

This would bypass many existing backhaul network providers that could have carried the data.

"Clearly that's going to add significant cost to that particular product or service  and that's dead right," Mr Krishnapillai said. "It precludes the development of local, regional providers and it also adds costs across the board."

NBN Co yesterday dismissed the concern.



Of course they did -  it seems it will cost the consumers dearly
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Reply #151 - Nov 13th, 2010 at 7:25pm
 
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The Australian has been caught out misrepresenting the views of the richest man in Japan, Korean-Japanese IT billionaire Masayoshi Son, as part of its campaign against the National Broadband Network.


http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/11/02/dump-your-copper-network-says-japan-it-mogul...

Dump your copper network, says Japan IT mogul — the story you weren’t told. by Bernard Keane

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Reply #152 - Nov 13th, 2010 at 7:46pm
 
Hey, when is Turnbull going to start talking about FOXTEL cables again????

  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked  Cool
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Reply #153 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 6:44am
 
And so the uncertainties on the Government's "wonder rollout" keep on coming !


OECD sees dangers in NBN haste
Annabel Hepworth From: The Australian
November 15, 2010 12:00AM

THE OECD has urged the Gillard government to slow down the rollout of its $43 billion high-speed broadband network.

It has warned that the project is installing a public monopoly that could choke off the development of better internet technologies.

The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development has declared that a more gradual approach would allow a better assessment of the costs and potential benefits associated with the National Broadband Network.

In a new report, the OECD said the government had adopted a "picking-the-winner strategy" on the NBN that could hinder the development of "as yet unknown, superior technological alternatives". The report also found "substantial financial uncertainties" with the massive project - which is expected to have $26bn worth of equity funding from the government - and cautioned that it may not be the most cost-effective strategy.

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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #154 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 6:51am
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 13th, 2010 at 7:46pm:
Hey, when is Turnbull going to start talking about FOXTEL cables again????

 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked  Cool




Cables are a lot better than satelitte
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Reply #155 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 8:06am
 
It also says that while the NBN promises large benefits, it may not be the most cost-effective strategy.

It says $43 billion project entails "substantial financial uncertainties".

Part of the plan is to shut down Telstra's existing copper network and the country's main cable network.

"While establishing a monopoly in this way would protect the viability of the government's investment project, it may not be optimal for cost efficiency and innovation," the OECD says.

It says research has stressed the value of competition between technological platforms for the providing broadband services.

"It would therefore be preferable to maintain competition between technologies in the broadband sector and, within each technology, between internet service providers," it says.

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Reply #156 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 3:17pm
 
OECD's each-way bet on NBN
By Alan Kohler

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/41014.html


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Reply #157 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 6:41pm
 
"In a new report, the OECD said the government had adopted a "picking-the-winner strategy" on the NBN that could hinder the development of "as yet unknown, superior technological alternatives". "....
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So the OECD wants us to wait for "as yet unknown, superior technological alternatives".

Just how long would they like the world to 'Mark Time'?

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Reply #158 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 6:43pm
 
Is there any updates on the take up rates in Tasmania yet?
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Reply #159 - Nov 15th, 2010 at 6:47pm
 
Our mission

OECD brings together the governments of countries committed to democracy and the market economy from around the world to:    

Support sustainable economic growth
Boost employment
Raise living standards
Maintain financial stability
Assist other countries' economic development
Contribute to growth in world trade
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And have the world stand still until  "as yet unknown, superior technological alternatives" come along...

Yeah, right!!!

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Reply #160 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 2:03pm
 
UPDATE ....





The Coalition's attempt to have the Productivity Commission examine the Government's $43 billion National Broadband Network (NBN) has failed, with its bill voted down in the House of Representatives.

Opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull had introduced a private members bill to refer the NBN to the commission, arguing it needed more scrutiny.

But he was unable to secure the votes of enough independents to pass the legislation and it went down by one vote.

Independent MP Rob Oakeshott supported the bill, but Andrew Wilkie, Tony Windsor and Bob Katter sided with Labor as did Greens MP Adam Bandt.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/18/3069806.htm




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Reply #161 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 3:31pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 2:03pm:
UPDATE ....





The Coalition's attempt to have the Productivity Commission examine the Government's $43 billion National Broadband Network (NBN) has failed, with its bill voted down in the House of Representatives.

Opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull had introduced a private members bill to refer the NBN to the commission, arguing it needed more scrutiny.

But he was unable to secure the votes of enough independents to pass the legislation and it went down by one vote.

Independent MP Rob Oakeshott supported the bill, but Andrew Wilkie, Tony Windsor and Bob Katter sided with Labor as did Greens MP Adam Bandt.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/18/3069806.htm







if there were no problems with the NBNimplementation and value the govt woudl send everyone in the country a copy. but they are hiding it. no guesses as to why.
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Reply #162 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 3:33pm
 
Doesn't the fact that Turnbull can't get his bill across the line equal an epic fail, by the standards you apply to Labor, mr longweekend?
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Reply #163 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 3:35pm
 
Please delete wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 3:33pm:
Doesn't the fact that Turnbull can't get his bill across the line equal an epic fail, by the standards you apply to Labor, mr longweekend?


maybe you havent heard yet, but LABOR is the govt. it is almost UNHEARD of for an opposition to get a bill passed thru the parliament without bipartisan support.

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Reply #164 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 3:37pm
 
No, my clear recollection is that you equate inability to get legislation passed, even if that failure is in a hostile senate, as a failure, as poor legislation.

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