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Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN! (Read 20554 times)
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Reply #195 - Nov 19th, 2010 at 10:39am
 
I agree with hicks that the cities should have the NBN first - that's just commonsense. But this is politics, and commonsense flies out they window.

As for the rest of his bookkeeping approach to life, and boringly repeated quotes from M Thatcher and R Reagan, one wonders what sort of heartless individual he really is.

Would you walk past a starving man, hicks, or stop to give him an extra kick?
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Reply #196 - Nov 19th, 2010 at 12:33pm
 
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All this crap sprouting  from an Opposition (and their  supporters) that wouldn't know the National Interest if it fell over it."


And who pays for this 'national interest'? because like it or not SOMEONE HAS TO. and that is the point. the people who will actually have to pay for it - the taxpayer - just want to know how it is going to work and how it going to be paid for. the NBN might be a national interest project but it still has to be paid for.
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Reply #197 - Nov 20th, 2010 at 5:53pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 19th, 2010 at 12:33pm:
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All this crap sprouting  from an Opposition (and their  supporters) that wouldn't know the National Interest if it fell over it."


And who pays for this 'national interest'? because like it or not SOMEONE HAS TO. and that is the point. the people who will actually have to pay for it - the taxpayer - just want to know how it is going to work and how it going to be paid for. the NBN might be a national interest project but it still has to be paid for.

You don't care who pays!

That is why you don't mind if the miners make a killing on everyones minerals: as long as people keep voting for the people who make you feel upperclass by talking smack about supposed free-markets!
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Reply #198 - Nov 20th, 2010 at 5:56pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 19th, 2010 at 9:33am:
I have to be honest, I struggle to be remotely bothered about this whole NBN saga.

One thing I do find a bit absurd though is that they would prioritise the countryside areas over the cities.
If you look at the population dispersal in Australia why would you prioritise the minority first.

In private business you would never do that.

Probably goes to show why public sectors are full of people who would fail in the private sector.

The private sector is full of people who got their by 'networking'!!!

Oh, don't the metrosexuals like this: I AM SO SORRY, PLEASE FORGIVE ME!

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Reply #199 - Nov 20th, 2010 at 5:58pm
 
Equitist wrote on Nov 19th, 2010 at 9:39am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 19th, 2010 at 9:33am:
I have to be honest, I struggle to be remotely bothered about this whole NBN saga.

One thing I do find a bit absurd though is that they would prioritise the countryside areas over the cities.
If you look at the population dispersal in Australia why would you prioritise the minority first.

In private business you would never do that.

Probably goes to show why public sectors are full of people who would fail in the private sector.


No surprises that you fail to appreciate the crux of the issue - i.e. failure of market forces to deliver, in the first instance, in the context of a small population distributed across a large land mass!

Some of us foreshadowed this predictable outcome, when your fellow right whingers first decided to sell off Telstra, in their infinite pro-privatisation dogmatism.




The private sector is full of 'networkers' !!!

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Reply #200 - Nov 20th, 2010 at 6:02pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 19th, 2010 at 9:41am:
Good to see as usual you completely ignore the economic arguments of delivering to a tiny percentage of the population whilst ignoring the majority - which is where the revenue will come.


"The trouble with Socialists, is that sooner or later they run out of other people's money"
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Oh NOes: Margaret Thatcher quotes!

....hey, aren't the banks too big to fail or something?!!?

I remember I used to get money in my hand after work!

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Reply #201 - Nov 20th, 2010 at 6:04pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 19th, 2010 at 9:41am:
Good to see as usual you completely ignore the economic arguments of delivering to a tiny percentage of the population whilst ignoring the majority - which is where the revenue will come.


"The trouble with Socialists, is that sooner or later they run out of other people's money"
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Hey, what is the economics of delivering universal health-care... or education?!!?

LOLmyheadoff I don't know!!! Does anyone care to explain?????

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Reply #202 - Nov 29th, 2010 at 2:59pm
 
Coalition Resigns Itself to the Inevitable
November 29, 2010 - 3:14PM

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has hailed as historic the passage of legislation to structurally separate Telstra.

Parliament's lower house approved Senate amendments to the legislation in a vote at 2.15pm (AEDT) on Monday.

The vote was passed on the voices without the coalition calling for a division.

"Today in the parliament the government has delivered an historic win for Australian families and businesses," she told reporters in Canberra, flanked by Communications Minister Stephen Conroy and leader of government business Anthony Albanese.

It also was an historic micro-economic reform through the structural separation of Telstra, she said.

The $36 billion national broadband network (NBN), a key Labor election promise, can proceed with Telstra's participation.

"For almost 30 years now this nation has tried to reform Telstra ... so that the wholesale business and the retail business were not fused together creating an anti-competitive monopoly," Ms Gillard said.

"We have achieved that structural separation."

Ms Gillard said approval of the Telstra legislation was a "big win".

"But the government will not be resting on its laurels in delivering this win for Australian families and Australian business," Ms Gillard said.

"I want to make it clear that 2011 will be a year of delivery."

Senator Conroy accused the opposition of being wreckers by their failure to back the legislation.

"When it came to the choice between supporting significant, what has been often described as the holy grail of micro-economic reform in the telecommunications sector, the opposition went missing," he said.

The NBN now had an enormous task ahead, Senator Conroy said.

"It has an enormous task to begin the rollout around Australia at its peak," he said.

"There'll be 31 different build spots around Australia, there will be an enormous engineering task."


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Reply #203 - Nov 29th, 2010 at 3:09pm
 
Yes it is a good thing they have done, and the coalition only shamed themselves by trying to act as spoilers.
Mind you, we won't expect that to change until they get rid of Abbott the Rabid.
Poor Turnbull has to play the loyal soldier to Abbott's bumbling general role, but everyone knows that Turnbull supports the NBN, as he also supported action on climate change.
You have to hand it to the Libs, they know how to attract loons, they attracted one into their top job.
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Reply #204 - Nov 29th, 2010 at 3:37pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 29th, 2010 at 2:59pm:
Coalition Resigns Itself to the Inevitable
November 29, 2010 - 3:14PM

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has hailed as historic the passage of legislation to structurally separate Telstra.

Parliament's lower house approved Senate amendments to the legislation in a vote at 2.15pm (AEDT) on Monday.

The vote was passed on the voices without the coalition calling for a division.

"Today in the parliament the government has delivered an historic win for Australian families and businesses," she told reporters in Canberra, flanked by Communications Minister Stephen Conroy and leader of government business Anthony Albanese.

It also was an historic micro-economic reform through the structural separation of Telstra, she said.

The $36 billion national broadband network (NBN), a key Labor election promise, can proceed with Telstra's participation.

"For almost 30 years now this nation has tried to reform Telstra ... so that the wholesale business and the retail business were not fused together creating an anti-competitive monopoly," Ms Gillard said.

"We have achieved that structural separation."

Ms Gillard said approval of the Telstra legislation was a "big win".

"But the government will not be resting on its laurels in delivering this win for Australian families and Australian business," Ms Gillard said.

"I want to make it clear that 2011 will be a year of delivery."

Senator Conroy accused the opposition of being wreckers by their failure to back the legislation.

"When it came to the choice between supporting significant, what has been often described as the holy grail of micro-economic reform in the telecommunications sector, the opposition went missing," he said.

The NBN now had an enormous task ahead, Senator Conroy said.

"It has an enormous task to begin the rollout around Australia at its peak," he said.

"There'll be 31 different build spots around Australia, there will be an enormous engineering task."


http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/pm-hails-nbn-passage-as-histori...







so to read behing the polly-speak, they have gotten rid of a monopoly (telstra) by building a new monopoly with a greater reach (NBN). It might have been many things, but getting rid of a monopoly was not one of them. Remember that it is only in the last 2 weeks that Conroy has even deigned to PERMIT competition with the NBN altho they are building severe barriers to competition. We could end up witht he most expensive internet on the planet because there wil be NO competition to the NBN.
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Reply #205 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 3:55pm
 
Another seasonal thundestorm crossing rural Victoria
Another day of "one hour OFF - 15 minutes ON" for anyone reliant on satellite or wireless





 
ROLL ON, NBN !






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Reply #206 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 4:10pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 6th, 2010 at 3:55pm:
Another seasonal thundestorm crossing rural Victoria
Another day of "one hour OFF - 15 minutes ON" for anyone reliant on satellite or wireless





 
ROLL ON, NBN !









Does that include the power genius?  That'll improve your NBA........idiot!
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Reply #207 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 4:17pm
 
viewpoint wrote on Dec 6th, 2010 at 4:10pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 6th, 2010 at 3:55pm:
Another seasonal thundestorm crossing rural Victoria
Another day of "one hour OFF - 15 minutes ON" for anyone reliant on satellite or wireless





 
ROLL ON, NBN !









Does that include the power genius?  That'll improve your NBA........idiot!






The "power" of WHAT - ya DRONGO ?i

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Reply #208 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 4:27pm
 
The "power" of intelligence which obviously you haven't got genius!
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Reply #209 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 4:41pm
 
viewpoint wrote on Dec 6th, 2010 at 4:27pm:
The "power" of intelligence which obviously you haven't got genius!





Well. THAT makes a lot of sense ?
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