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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #30 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 3:17pm

Equitist wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 3:01pm:

qikvtec wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 2:56pm:

Equitist wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 2:53pm:

bwood1946 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 2:42pm:

Infrastructure must be planned for massive increases in usage in the medium-longer term - and therefore: it would be extremely short-sighted for our Govts to plan internet infrastructure on the basis of current demands (or even linear increases in consumption - especially since the recent trends are for exponential change .And new methods of deliver IE WIRELESS

Surely, if wireless was potentially-adequate technology, then it would have shut down investment in ADSL services by now!?

If the Libs had not been so short-sighted in the first instance, as to sell-off the crucial national infrastructure body of Telstra, then we would probably already have a fully fibre NBN...

Hello, private enterprise would never risk investing in a national fibre network in such a vast country with a relatively-small population - which is why we have the current hotch-potch of inefficient and inadequate services...

Which is also why non-metropolitan areas are still badly suffering from internet provider attention deficits - with no hope of improvement in that condition without dramatic Govt intervention...

Face it, guys: we need an NBN - and the Libs are doing Oz citizens and businesses a great disservice by dogmatically and self-servingly undermining long-overdue progress!

Didn't they just finish what the Keating Govt started?

I've yet to see any valid reason for expending 43000 million dollars especially at a time we can least afford it.

What did the Keating Govt start - and when and how?

Combination of OTC & Telecom under the Telecom Act 91 paved the way for the packaging and ultimate sale of Telstra and the introduction of competition. The sale of Aussat to Optus was next. Keating was pro privatisation and ultimately intended to offload the carrier, he was just beaten to it by the installation of the Howard Coalition in 1996,

who

with a mandate from the voting public swiftly went about completing the job.

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qikvtec Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1846 Queensland	Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN! Reply #31 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 3:34pm As a side note here Thy, The Telstra Corp Act of 91 allowed for the sale of Telstra with the provision the Commonwealth Govt retained a majority shareholding. It wasn't until the Telstra Privatisation Bill of 2003 that this clause in the act was removed allowing for the full sale of TLS.
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Reply #32 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 3:38pm

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Combination of OTC & Telecom under the Telecom Act 91 paved the way for the packaging and ultimate sale of Telstra and the introduction of competition. The sale of Aussat to Optus was next. Keating was pro privatisation and ultimately intended to offload the carrier, he was just beaten to it by the installation of the Howard Coalition in 1996, who with a mandate from the voting public swiftly went about completing the job.

If you go back to 1996 with Howard election promise he said that he would sell only 1/3 of Telstra and he never put to the people that he would sell anymore at any other elections, so what gave him the right to sell all of it.

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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #33 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 3:49pm

John S wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 3:38pm:

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Combination of OTC & Telecom under the Telecom Act 91 paved the way for the packaging and ultimate sale of Telstra and the introduction of competition. The sale of Aussat to Optus was next. Keating was pro privatisation and ultimately intended to offload the carrier, he was just beaten to it by the installation of the Howard Coalition in 1996, who with a mandate from the voting public swiftly went about completing the job.

If you go back to 1996 with Howard election promise he said that he would sell only 1/3 of Telstra and he never put to the people that he would sell anymore at any other elections, so what gave him the right to sell all of it.

It was pretty clear to the voting public in subsequent elections that TLS would be sold off in stages.

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Reply #34 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 5:46pm

John S wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 3:38pm:

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Combination of OTC & Telecom under the Telecom Act 91 paved the way for the packaging and ultimate sale of Telstra and the introduction of competition. The sale of Aussat to Optus was next. Keating was pro privatisation and ultimately intended to offload the carrier, he was just beaten to it by the installation of the Howard Coalition in 1996, who with a mandate from the voting public swiftly went about completing the job.

If you go back to 1996 with Howard election promise he said that he would sell only 1/3 of Telstra and he never put to the people that he would sell anymore at any other elections, so what gave him the right to sell all of it.

the same right that gillard claims for a carbon tax.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN! Reply #35 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 5:47pm I knew this woudl be a stupid thread when i saw the words' FUTURE-PROOF'. only a moron would declare any technology future-proof in a society that creates, improves and then discards technology trends in mere years.
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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #36 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 10:09pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 5:46pm:

John S wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 3:38pm:

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Combination of OTC & Telecom under the Telecom Act 91 paved the way for the packaging and ultimate sale of Telstra and the introduction of competition. The sale of Aussat to Optus was next. Keating was pro privatisation and ultimately intended to offload the carrier, he was just beaten to it by the installation of the Howard Coalition in 1996, who with a mandate from the voting public swiftly went about completing the job.

If you go back to 1996 with Howard election promise he said that he would sell only 1/3 of Telstra and he never put to the people that he would sell anymore at any other elections, so what gave him the right to sell all of it.

the same right that gillard claims for a carbon tax.

It was a central theme in the telecommunications policy of the Howard Govt., I feel he had the right because he ran with that as policy.

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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #37 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 10:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 5:47pm:

I knew this woudl be a stupid thread when i saw the words' FUTURE-PROOF'.

only a moron would declare any technology future-proof in a society that creates, improves and then discards technology trends in mere years.

Not correct Longweekend.
In order to transfer data -
the only other way is by radio communication.
There is limited bandwidth & the reception is dependent on weather.
The answer is fiber optic & always will be for unlimited data capacity
& reliabilty in all weather.

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Reply #38 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 10:34pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 10:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 5:47pm:

I knew this woudl be a stupid thread when i saw the words' FUTURE-PROOF'.

only a moron would declare any technology future-proof in a society that creates, improves and then discards technology trends in mere years.

Not correct Longweekend.
In order to transfer data -
the only other way is by radio communication.
There is limited bandwidth & the reception is dependent on weather.
The answer is fiber optic & always will be for unlimited data capacity
& reliabilty in all weather.

Yup, broadband technology is limited by those dastardly laws of physics...

Hence, the day that the speed of sound exceeds that of light, will be the day when wireless broadband might supersede fibre optic technology...

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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #39 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 10:38pm

Just did some interesting calculations.
There are 3 possible infrared wavelengths available:
850 nm, 1300nm, & 1550nm.
Lets take the slowest one - the last.
frequency = velocity/wavelength

3 x 10

8

/ 1550 x10

-9

= 194,000 GHz = possible future bandwidth.

This compares to microwave frequencies of 1 to 20 GHz.
Radio has a pathetic potential bandwidth compared to fiber -
& every fiber has that potential bandwidth
( which may be realised one day soon.)

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Reply #40 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 10:50pm

In a nutshell, if it's truly worth the $43 billion investment then why wont the GALP do a cost/benefit analysis?

Well, I can answer this question for you too.

http://www.treasury.gov.au/documents/1858/PDF/04_Appendix_C.pdf

The same treasury the ALP used when discrediting Tony Abbott's more modest broadband costings.

What we have here kids, is a government willing to discredit the oppositions own broadband package upon 'treasury advice', though when this same treasury reveals their own NBN's short comings, shortcomings which didn't find their way to Wayne Swans desk until exactly one day after the election....they turn a blind eye.

Here it is in black and white, from no other than their own treasury.

Enjoy.

http://www.treasury.gov.au/documents/1858/PDF/04_Appendix_C.pdf

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Reply #41 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 10:57pm

Mellie.
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In a nutshell, if it's truly worth the $43 billion investment then why wont the GALP do a cost/benefit analysis?

Labor's plan is too expensive.
We definetly need optic fiber running down all main roads
in the big cities but as for installing 100s of kms of fiber
to people in the bush - just for say - 10 customers at the other end -
forget it - Labor has gone mad.

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Reply #42 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:05pm

Equitist wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 10:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 10:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 5:47pm:

I knew this woudl be a stupid thread when i saw the words' FUTURE-PROOF'.

only a moron would declare any technology future-proof in a society that creates, improves and then discards technology trends in mere years.

Not correct Longweekend.
In order to transfer data -
the only other way is by radio communication.
There is limited bandwidth & the reception is dependent on weather.
The answer is fiber optic & always will be for unlimited data capacity
& reliabilty in all weather.

Yup, broadband technology is limited by those dastardly laws of physics...

Hence, the day that the speed of sound exceeds that of light, will be the day when wireless broadband might supersede fibre optic technology...

you are not seriously trying to suggest that wireless broadband operates at the 'speed of sound'? You are either making a joke that I dont get or making the worst technical blunder Ive yet seen on here. Just for the record 'wireless' operates at the speed of light.

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Reply #43 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:07pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 10:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 5:47pm:

I knew this woudl be a stupid thread when i saw the words' FUTURE-PROOF'.

only a moron would declare any technology future-proof in a society that creates, improves and then discards technology trends in mere years.

Not correct Longweekend.
In order to transfer data -
the only other way is by radio communication.
There is limited bandwidth & the reception is dependent on weather.
The answer is fiber optic & always will be for unlimited data capacity
& reliabilty in all weather.

and in your opinion fibre is the ultimate, never-to-be-superseded technology... just like steam engines.

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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #44 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 10:57pm:

Mellie.
Quote:

In a nutshell, if it's truly worth the $43 billion investment then why wont the GALP do a cost/benefit analysis?

Labor's plan is too expensive.
We definetly need optic fiber running down all main roads
in the big cities but as for installing 100s of kms of fiber
to people in the bush - just for say - 10 customers at the other end -
forget it - Labor has gone mad.

Indeed they have, though some might argue there is an ulterior method to their illogic, and some will argue that they truly never had intentions of rolling it out at all.

Now, they are claiming they might start by June, 2011...pending whether or not Telstra and NBN co, can come to some industry monopoly arrangement to ensure it's worth their while.

So it's on the back-burner either way until mid 2011... merry Xmas, and Happy Easter too, because we might as well discuss this then?

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