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Reply #60 - Oct 20th, 2010 at 5:46am
 
Broadband speeds have jumped 20 per cent during the past eight months according to a report based on thousands of consumer experiences, but experts warn that Australia still falls well short of its peers internationally.

Regional areas also still lagged well behind Australian cities, based on the 10,000 real-life speed tests captured by online broadband comparison website, http://www.broadbandexpert.com.au/

It said average rural speeds of 4.29Mbps compared negatively with the 5.28Mbps enjoyed by city dwellers and  also revealed that Optus broadband networks were faster than Telstra's BigPond by an average of almost 1.5Mbps.

“A 20 per cent increase in average speed in such a short period of time is an impressive result. However, it's important to remember that regional Australia is still being left behind,” said Rob Webber, commercial director at Broadband Expert.

The Broadband Expert calculates average UK and US broadband speeds at 5.93Mbps and 5.75Mbps respectively.

According to telecoms analyst, Paul Budde, the figures released by Broadband Expert, are indicative of current trends in the market.

“I think the trend is correct. Yes we are making progress, but at the same time we are still way behind some of the leaders in the market and the gap between us and others is actually increasing."However Budde said the real speeds of the average Australian were likely to be substantially lower than those highlighted by Broadband Expert, with the majority (50 to 60 percent) of broadband users sitting at between 1.5 to 2mbps.

“More broadband savvy people would most likely visit the site and of course they would already have a higher speed, therefore I think the results could be skewed," he said.

Budde believes only 20 per cent of broadband users enjoy speeds of between 5 and 9Mbps – a factor that he said would be remedied by the National Broadband Network that the government has begun rolling out in selected sites around Australia.


http://www.theage.com.au/technology/broadband-getting-faster-but-still-too-slow-...

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Reply #61 - Oct 20th, 2010 at 6:53am
 
Talk about "Zig Heil "  !!!!!!!




In Tasmania, the only place currently where the NBN is live, of the 4000 homes that were initially offered access, only 45 per cent consented to having the free box and fibre installed, according to The Mercury.

But those who didn't consent could foot a bill of up to $300 if a retail service provider - or ISP such as iPrimus, Internode or iiNet - passes on the connection fee that is required for an installation after the initial roll-out.....................


..................In an emailed statement, Communications Minister Stephen Conroy's spokeswoman said: "If you still want a fixed-line you will need to migrate onto fibre – NBN Co is [initially] installing fibre at no charge".



http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/connect-to-nbn-now-or-pay-up-to-300-for-phone-line-20101015-16ms3.html




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Reply #62 - Oct 20th, 2010 at 8:20am
 
What’s pissing me off now about this NBN is when the rollout passes my house I will be required too pay for the connection even if I do not want it. Else face loosing my land line. And it will also require me to supply electricity too power the unit yet another on going cost.
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Reply #63 - Oct 20th, 2010 at 9:53am
 
BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Oct 20th, 2010 at 8:20am:
What’s pissing me off now about this NBN is when the rollout passes my house I will be required too pay for the connection even if I do not want it. Else face loosing my land line. And it will also require me to supply electricity too power the unit yet another on going cost.



MORE nonsense and negative propaganda from the right wing "wreckers" department



It is more logical for consumers to sign up for a connection as soon as it’s available, as the initial rollout has a free set-up, whereas later connections are expected to come at a cost to the homeowner.

http://www.comparebroadband.com.au/article_720_Up-to-90-of-mainland-Australians-...


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Reply #64 - Oct 20th, 2010 at 10:03am
 
nichy wrote on Oct 20th, 2010 at 6:53am:
Talk about "Zig Heil "  !!!!!!!




In Tasmania, the only place currently where the NBN is live, of the 4000 homes that were initially offered access, only 45 per cent consented to having the free box and fibre installed, according to The Mercury.

But those who didn't consent could foot a bill of up to $300 if a retail service provider - or ISP such as iPrimus, Internode or iiNet - passes on the connection fee that is required for an installation after the initial roll-out.....................


..................In an emailed statement, Communications Minister Stephen Conroy's spokeswoman said: "If you still want a fixed-line you will need to migrate onto fibre – NBN Co is [initially] installing fibre at no charge".



http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/connect-to-nbn-now-or-pay-up-to-300-for-phone-line-20101015-16ms3.html












It all sounds quite  BIZZARE !
Close to 100% take-up on the mainland - and just on half in Appalachia ?



NBN Co has reported a higher level of support for fibre optic broadband in mainland Australia than expected, with a 90% consent rate in some test towns.

The reason this result has been such a shock is because the Tasmanian NBN Co, the first to roll out fibre optic test sites in Australia, saw a disappointing 51% of Tasmanian homes agree to the connection. This caused many to pause and question the viability and necessity of such a massive publicly funded infrastructure project.

Now, the NBN is being rolled out to over 12 thousand homes in five areas around mainland Australia. Resellers of retail-based fibre optic broadband will begin offering both broadband and telephone services in around eight months time. Wholesale pricing of the fibre optic service has yet to be finalised, but it will have to be approved by competition analysts first, which should mean the cost would be affordable to the masses.

NBN Co chief executive Mike Quigley recently told BusinessDay: "We are very happy with what we are finding in the first release sites on the mainland … That is a number considerably above what we had anticipated.''

Mr Quigley was referring to the consent ratios in the four towns of Armidale, NSW; Townsville, QLD; Kiama, NSW; and Willunga, SA. Homes within the fifth test area of Brunswick in the Northern suburbs of Melbourne will be receiving consent forms later this week.

Armidale has come out on top as the most ‘broadband hungry’ location thus far, with 87% of all homes in the test zone asking to be connected to a super-fast broadband service.


http://www.comparebroadband.com.au/article_720_Up-to-90-of-mainland-Australians-...

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Reply #65 - Oct 20th, 2010 at 10:21am
 
The reason the NBN Co needs a homeowner’s consent form is because the final part of the roll-out process involves laying several metres of fibre on the actual property, as well as connecting equipment near the house.

It’s hard to say why Tasmanians haven’t warmed up to the NBN like the rest of Australia. The Tasmanian state government has been forced to draft laws making a connection compulsory, in an opt-out paradigm where only people who outright refuse are not connected. It is more logical for consumers to sign up for a connection as soon as it’s available, as the initial rollout has a free set-up, whereas later connections are expected to come at a cost to the homeowner.

As the nation moves towards fibre optic broadband, so too will our telephone services. Earlier this year Telstra made a deal with the NBN Co to move customers over from the traditional copper landline network to a fibre optic phone service.

http://www.comparebroadband.com.au/article_720_Up-to-90-of-mainland-Australians-...





There is obviously quite a wide chasm between the "knowledge rich" and "knowledge poor" of the mainland and Appalachia

Much like the optic fibre knowledge and familiarity divide in the Labor and Liberal camps

The ONLY optic fibre broadband savvy person in the Liberal Party is the one given the unenviable task of trashing it


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Reply #66 - Oct 20th, 2010 at 5:10pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 20th, 2010 at 5:46am:
Broadband speeds have jumped 20 per cent during the past eight months according to a report based on thousands of consumer experiences, but experts warn that Australia still falls well short of its peers internationally.

Regional areas also still lagged well behind Australian cities, based on the 10,000 real-life speed tests captured by online broadband comparison website, http://www.broadbandexpert.com.au/

It said average rural speeds of 4.29Mbps compared negatively with the 5.28Mbps enjoyed by city dwellers and  also revealed that Optus broadband networks were faster than Telstra's BigPond by an average of almost 1.5Mbps.

“A 20 per cent increase in average speed in such a short period of time is an impressive result. However, it's important to remember that regional Australia is still being left behind,” said Rob Webber, commercial director at Broadband Expert.

The Broadband Expert calculates average UK and US broadband speeds at 5.93Mbps and 5.75Mbps respectively.

According to telecoms analyst, Paul Budde, the figures released by Broadband Expert, are indicative of current trends in the market.

“I think the trend is correct. Yes we are making progress, but at the same time we are still way behind some of the leaders in the market and the gap between us and others is actually increasing."However Budde said the real speeds of the average Australian were likely to be substantially lower than those highlighted by Broadband Expert, with the majority (50 to 60 percent) of broadband users sitting at between 1.5 to 2mbps.

“More broadband savvy people would most likely visit the site and of course they would already have a higher speed, therefore I think the results could be skewed," he said.

Budde believes only 20 per cent of broadband users enjoy speeds of between 5 and 9Mbps – a factor that he said would be remedied by the National Broadband Network that the government has begun rolling out in selected sites around Australia.


http://www.theage.com.au/technology/broadband-getting-faster-but-still-too-slow-...



I dont know a single person whose speed is less than 5Mbps. this so-called 'average' they are sprouting must include dlai-up to be so low. ADLS2+ has up to 24Mbs with an average of 12Mbps.
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Reply #67 - Oct 20th, 2010 at 5:51pm
 
WHO CARES ABOUT THE SPEED????

No one ever says anythign about download limits. I want 80GB. and i'd rather have it at 12Mbs as currently rather than twice as fast for 1Gb
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Reply #68 - Oct 20th, 2010 at 7:58pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 20th, 2010 at 9:53am:
BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Oct 20th, 2010 at 8:20am:
What’s pissing me off now about this NBN is when the rollout passes my house I will be required too pay for the connection even if I do not want it. Else face loosing my land line. And it will also require me to supply electricity too power the unit yet another on going cost.



MORE nonsense and negative propaganda from the right wing "wreckers" department



It is more logical for consumers to sign up for a connection as soon as it’s available, as the initial rollout has a free set-up, whereas later connections are expected to come at a cost to the homeowner.

http://www.comparebroadband.com.au/article_720_Up-to-90-of-mainland-Australians-...




Surprising in a recent study 99.9% of respondents when asked if they wanted a Ferrari agreed.  When you told them afterwards it was going to cost them $100 more a day than their current vehicle, not too many were keen.

There is no way on earth I will agree to the NBN connection to my home until I can determine the retail cost of the services and their comparison to my current costs.  Essentially I have no need for the additional speed and would prefer not to pay any more for it than my current service.
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Reply #69 - Oct 20th, 2010 at 8:08pm
 
Its interesting because at the lunch table at work many things have made discussion points for the last few months.  Those being;
War in Afghanistan
The Burka
Fairwork act (big topic after getting screwed by fairwork for the staff)
ETS
Mining Tax
Gay Marriage
Increase in minimum wage
Paid maternity leave

The interesting one to not get a single gong yet is the NBN.  Funny how its obviously not the big deal the ALP is making it out to be.
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Reply #70 - Oct 20th, 2010 at 8:19pm
 
Verge wrote on Oct 20th, 2010 at 8:08pm:
Its interesting because at the lunch table at work many things have made discussion points for the last few months.  Those being;
War in Afghanistan
The Burka
Fairwork act (big topic after getting screwed by fairwork for the staff)
ETS
Mining Tax
Gay Marriage
Increase in minimum wage
Paid maternity leave

The interesting one to not get a single gong yet is the NBN.  Funny how its obviously not the big deal the ALP is making it out to be.


In our office they all sit at the lunch table connecting via the office wireless router on their iphones checking out facebook and playing games.
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Reply #71 - Oct 20th, 2010 at 8:52pm
 
qikvtec wrote on Oct 20th, 2010 at 8:19pm:
Verge wrote on Oct 20th, 2010 at 8:08pm:
Its interesting because at the lunch table at work many things have made discussion points for the last few months.  Those being;
War in Afghanistan
The Burka
Fairwork act (big topic after getting screwed by fairwork for the staff)
ETS
Mining Tax
Gay Marriage
Increase in minimum wage
Paid maternity leave

The interesting one to not get a single gong yet is the NBN.  Funny how its obviously not the big deal the ALP is making it out to be.


In our office they all sit at the lunch table connecting via the office wireless router on their iphones checking out facebook and playing games.


Gee, missing out.  Ours is pretty sociable.  Plenty of debate about what ever is in the daily paper.  Since there is only the one paper, one reads it, and the other 7 or 8 debate the major headlines.  Its good fun.

Like I said, no mention of the NBN.
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Reply #72 - Oct 20th, 2010 at 9:21pm
 
There is still a fair amount of natter, I usually eat at my desk and keep on with the job.  No time to stop, that's what after hours are for.
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longweekend58 wrote on Oct 20th, 2010 at 5:10pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 20th, 2010 at 5:46am:
Broadband speeds have jumped 20 per cent during the past eight months according to a report based on thousands of consumer experiences, but experts warn that Australia still falls well short of its peers internationally.

Regional areas also still lagged well behind Australian cities, based on the 10,000 real-life speed tests captured by online broadband comparison website, http://www.broadbandexpert.com.au/

It said average rural speeds of 4.29Mbps compared negatively with the 5.28Mbps enjoyed by city dwellers and  also revealed that Optus broadband networks were faster than Telstra's BigPond by an average of almost 1.5Mbps.

“A 20 per cent increase in average speed in such a short period of time is an impressive result. However, it's important to remember that regional Australia is still being left behind,” said Rob Webber, commercial director at Broadband Expert.

The Broadband Expert calculates average UK and US broadband speeds at 5.93Mbps and 5.75Mbps respectively.

According to telecoms analyst, Paul Budde, the figures released by Broadband Expert, are indicative of current trends in the market.

“I think the trend is correct. Yes we are making progress, but at the same time we are still way behind some of the leaders in the market and the gap between us and others is actually increasing."However Budde said the real speeds of the average Australian were likely to be substantially lower than those highlighted by Broadband Expert, with the majority (50 to 60 percent) of broadband users sitting at between 1.5 to 2mbps.

“More broadband savvy people would most likely visit the site and of course they would already have a higher speed, therefore I think the results could be skewed," he said.

Budde believes only 20 per cent of broadband users enjoy speeds of between 5 and 9Mbps – a factor that he said would be remedied by the National Broadband Network that the government has begun rolling out in selected sites around Australia.


http://www.theage.com.au/technology/broadband-getting-faster-but-still-too-slow-...



I dont know a single person whose speed is less than 5Mbps. this so-called 'average' they are sprouting must include dlai-up to be so low. ADLS2+ has up to 24Mbs with an average of 12Mbps.






I get 2mbps
As low as half a mbps in bad weather
ADSL is unavailable due to being more than 3km from an exchange - and the privatised Telstra gave a rough quote of $5K to lay a land-line (compared to the regular $250 for urban clients)
Out of range for wireless

Satellite was my ONLY option


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Reply #74 - Oct 21st, 2010 at 4:13pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 21st, 2010 at 9:10am:
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 20th, 2010 at 5:10pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 20th, 2010 at 5:46am:
Broadband speeds have jumped 20 per cent during the past eight months according to a report based on thousands of consumer experiences, but experts warn that Australia still falls well short of its peers internationally.

Regional areas also still lagged well behind Australian cities, based on the 10,000 real-life speed tests captured by online broadband comparison website, http://www.broadbandexpert.com.au/

It said average rural speeds of 4.29Mbps compared negatively with the 5.28Mbps enjoyed by city dwellers and  also revealed that Optus broadband networks were faster than Telstra's BigPond by an average of almost 1.5Mbps.

“A 20 per cent increase in average speed in such a short period of time is an impressive result. However, it's important to remember that regional Australia is still being left behind,” said Rob Webber, commercial director at Broadband Expert.

The Broadband Expert calculates average UK and US broadband speeds at 5.93Mbps and 5.75Mbps respectively.

According to telecoms analyst, Paul Budde, the figures released by Broadband Expert, are indicative of current trends in the market.

“I think the trend is correct. Yes we are making progress, but at the same time we are still way behind some of the leaders in the market and the gap between us and others is actually increasing."However Budde said the real speeds of the average Australian were likely to be substantially lower than those highlighted by Broadband Expert, with the majority (50 to 60 percent) of broadband users sitting at between 1.5 to 2mbps.

“More broadband savvy people would most likely visit the site and of course they would already have a higher speed, therefore I think the results could be skewed," he said.

Budde believes only 20 per cent of broadband users enjoy speeds of between 5 and 9Mbps – a factor that he said would be remedied by the National Broadband Network that the government has begun rolling out in selected sites around Australia.


http://www.theage.com.au/technology/broadband-getting-faster-but-still-too-slow-...



I dont know a single person whose speed is less than 5Mbps. this so-called 'average' they are sprouting must include dlai-up to be so low. ADLS2+ has up to 24Mbs with an average of 12Mbps.






I get 2mbps
As low as half a mbps in bad weather
ADSL is unavailable due to being more than 3km from an exchange - and the privatised Telstra gave a rough quote of $5K to lay a land-line (compared to the regular $250 for urban clients)
Out of range for wireless

Satellite was my ONLY option




developing opinion and policy based on YOUR situation is hardly altruistic. we already know and accept that the broadband situation in the bush is pathetic and needs to be fixed. thats why Howard signed contracts to give ALL regional areas ADLS 2+ by end 2009.

Pity Rudd cancelled it...
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