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Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN! (Read 20542 times)
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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #90 - Oct 23rd, 2010 at 11:20am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 23rd, 2010 at 8:35am:
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 23rd, 2010 at 6:47am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 22nd, 2010 at 10:24pm:
Kat wrote on Oct 22nd, 2010 at 12:48pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 22nd, 2010 at 12:06pm:
bwood1946 wrote on Oct 22nd, 2010 at 10:50am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 22nd, 2010 at 10:37am:
$900.00 per annum
4gb peak
6gg off peak


ISP  Skymesh


OPTUS      $840  PER ANNUM

Wireless   5.5  mbps  to 7mbps

18 gig a month

10 gig peak

8 gig off peak






I'd GO for that
If I could get wireless reception
Like 10% of Australia

And not have to wait 60 seconds to download a page






I have Bigpuddle wireless.

$50/month for 3 Gigs, then slowed.

Service ranges (randomly) from good to effing abysmal.

3.2Mbps at best (VERY RARELY).

Unusable (slower than dialup) at worst, IF it will hold a connection.

Often, you can't even open an email, and as for
loading the Bigpuddle home-page...forget it!





It's a BAD situation
You don't realise just HOW BAD till you experience life in 'the bush'
I'd hate to be running a business dependent on it
I saw ONE story from a woman who runs an air charter company in FNQ who lost a large contract due to her satellite internet connection (along with her phone and fax) being down for 2 hours

THESE situations support the case put forward by Oakeshott, Windsor and Joyce for a NATIONAL BROADBAND NETWORK





actually all it supports is the case for fixing the problem where it actually exists - in the bush - as Howard contracted for and would now be fixed.  






Did he plan to control weather patterns in rural areas - to give a clear path for satellite signals ?

Or was he going to blanket the country in telephone exchanges, no more than 6km from the next, to give everyone ADSL access ?

Let's face it ....
NO-ONE in the Coalition has anything more than a rudimentary knowlege of internet technology, aside from Turnbull - the shadow cabinet member given the task of trashing our NBN
Abbott has called it a high-fibre network
We're all the All-Bran set




It was a combo of fibre backbone and wireless - a solution that would ahve worked for you but because Rudd was elected it all got cancelled and replaced with... nothing. and now the NBN which may or may not happen and may get to your area in the next 5 years. sounds like a dumb choice to me.
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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #91 - Oct 23rd, 2010 at 5:54pm
 
ADSL is now cheaper than dial up used to be. All the while bandwith
and speeds have been increasing so that customers are now getting much more for much less.


NBN Is The Future
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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #92 - Oct 23rd, 2010 at 7:34pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 23rd, 2010 at 11:20am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 23rd, 2010 at 8:35am:
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 23rd, 2010 at 6:47am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 22nd, 2010 at 10:24pm:
Kat wrote on Oct 22nd, 2010 at 12:48pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 22nd, 2010 at 12:06pm:
bwood1946 wrote on Oct 22nd, 2010 at 10:50am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 22nd, 2010 at 10:37am:
$900.00 per annum
4gb peak
6gg off peak


ISP  Skymesh


OPTUS      $840  PER ANNUM

Wireless   5.5  mbps  to 7mbps

18 gig a month

10 gig peak

8 gig off peak






I'd GO for that
If I could get wireless reception
Like 10% of Australia

And not have to wait 60 seconds to download a page






I have Bigpuddle wireless.

$50/month for 3 Gigs, then slowed.

Service ranges (randomly) from good to effing abysmal.

3.2Mbps at best (VERY RARELY).

Unusable (slower than dialup) at worst, IF it will hold a connection.

Often, you can't even open an email, and as for
loading the Bigpuddle home-page...forget it!





It's a BAD situation
You don't realise just HOW BAD till you experience life in 'the bush'
I'd hate to be running a business dependent on it
I saw ONE story from a woman who runs an air charter company in FNQ who lost a large contract due to her satellite internet connection (along with her phone and fax) being down for 2 hours

THESE situations support the case put forward by Oakeshott, Windsor and Joyce for a NATIONAL BROADBAND NETWORK





actually all it supports is the case for fixing the problem where it actually exists - in the bush - as Howard contracted for and would now be fixed.  






Did he plan to control weather patterns in rural areas - to give a clear path for satellite signals ?

Or was he going to blanket the country in telephone exchanges, no more than 6km from the next, to give everyone ADSL access ?

Let's face it ....
NO-ONE in the Coalition has anything more than a rudimentary knowlege of internet technology, aside from Turnbull - the shadow cabinet member given the task of trashing our NBN
Abbott has called it a high-fibre network
We're all the All-Bran set




It was a combo of fibre backbone and wireless - a solution that would ahve worked for you





It was a combo of fibre backbone and wireless
And Abbott is STILL adhering to this "band-aid" remedy ?

If i can repeat, yet AGAIN, I have TRIED wireless
It is more useless than satellite in inclement weather conditions

AS I mentioned previously, with the woman who runs the air charter company in FNQ
Business does not wait till wireless and satellite services return from 2 hour "lunch breaks"





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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #93 - Oct 23rd, 2010 at 7:48pm
 
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It was a combo of fibre backbone and wireless


And that wouldn't do anything for me either.
Im in a mobile black spot with zero wireless signal strength.
While only 5kms in physical distance from the nearest ADSL2 enabled exhange, I'm at roughly 7.5kms cable distance from it via poor quality copper (highest dialup speed I can get is 28k - usual is 19k).

So it's satellite for me. Slow, expensive and unreliable satellite.

My neighbours can get ADSL, but being at near the end of the copper run, their speed can be absolutely woeful during times of high useage in the area.
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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #94 - Oct 23rd, 2010 at 7:52pm
 

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 23rd, 2010 at 7:48pm:
My neighbours can get ADSL, but being at near the end of the copper run, their speed can be absolutely woeful during times of high useage in the area.


Ditto here - and the move to ADSL2+ has merely highlighted the problem of bandwidth in the evenings...

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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #95 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 8:13am
 
Conroy NOW in Insiders
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Reply #96 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 10:51am
 
Malcolm Turnbull has come out and compared Australia's NBN with the American network on a per capita basis to cast doubt on it's viability....using this formula Australia will never build any infrastructure unless it is sub standard and the bush will get nothing.....spending in the bush can never be justified on a per capita basis when you compare it to a country with 300 million people….if Turnbull thinks Australia must justify spending on a per capita basis by comparing us to America we will have no problem running surpluses well into the future….we will not build anything!!!
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we will have no problem running surpluses well into the future….we will not build anything!!!


I thought that was obvious.

But we will have a surplus. Children will laugh again, adults will be smiling, knowing that they can sleep peacefully because we have a surplus.
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Reply #98 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 10:58am
 
Whats justified about spending 43 BILLION DOLLARS on just ONE piece of technology ???? PHILPERTH.


Why dont you explain ???
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Reply #99 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 11:06am
 
stryder wrote on Oct 24th, 2010 at 10:58am:
Whats justified about spending 43 BILLION DOLLARS on just ONE piece of technology ???? PHILPERTH.


Why dont you explain ???


I don’t know.....perhaps the NBN is a bad idea....but what I do know is comparing Australia on a per capita basis with a country that has 15x the population as a cost analysis will mean no spending will be viable....it is a deceitful argument!!!
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Reply #100 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 11:07am
 
Grin Grin Grin

This dumb stupid idiotic laced labor government couldnt even roll out the pink batts, the BER, the solar rebates, or cant sercure our borders by sea, properly.


HOW ON EARTH ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THAT THIS DUMB LABOR GOVERNMENT CAN ROLL THIS OUT ???????


The stupidity of Labor is phenomenal.

and you laborites expect us to believe it  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #101 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 11:12am
 
There hasnt even been a REAL cost net benefit analysis of this NBN anyWAY.


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Reply #102 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 12:08pm
 
stryder wrote on Oct 24th, 2010 at 11:07am:

HOW ON EARTH ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THAT THIS DUMB LABOR GOVERNMENT CAN ROLL THIS OUT ???????


 





The roll-out for our National Broadband is ...

A/ Ahead of schedule
B/ Under budget


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Reply #103 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 12:33pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 24th, 2010 at 11:06am:
stryder wrote on Oct 24th, 2010 at 10:58am:
Whats justified about spending 43 BILLION DOLLARS on just ONE piece of technology ???? PHILPERTH.


Why dont you explain ???


I don’t know.....perhaps the NBN is a bad idea....but what I do know is comparing Australia on a per capita basis with a country that has 15x the population as a cost analysis will mean no spending will be viable....it is a deceitful argument!!!

on the same basis of construction , compareing AUST TOO KOREA, JAPAN, and so on no were near the Geographic AREA

APPLES AN ORANGES


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Re: Turnbull CANNOT WIN against the future-proof NBN!
Reply #104 - Oct 24th, 2010 at 12:47pm
 
stryder wrote on Oct 24th, 2010 at 11:12am:
There hasnt even been a REAL cost net benefit analysis of this NBN anyWAY.






Where's the POINT ?
Abbott has stated he will STILL trash it, REGARDLESS of the findings of any cost net benefit analysis

It's just a delaying strategy



NBN cost-benefit just wastes time: Conroy
October 24, 2010 - 11:39AM

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Communications Minister Stephen Conroy has ruled out a full cost-benefit analysis of the $43 billion national broadband network (NBN) because it would just waste time and money.

Senator Conroy said the opposition remained determined to demolish the NBN, despite suggestions from opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull that a Productivity Commission tick would be incredibly persuasive.

He said Opposition Leader Tony Abbott had set Mr Turnbull one task, to demolish NBN."They have refused to allow debate in the Senate. They said we had to release the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) report. They said we had to release McKinsey's report," he told ABC television on Sunday.

"We have done all of that. Now what do they want? Another report."

Senator Conroy said Mr Turnbull had indicated he might be prepared to accept the NBN although Mr Abbott had made it clear the opposition's policy would not change.

"Malcolm Turnbull has got lots of fine words but he is still not prepared to say, if this was positive, we would support it," he said.

He said another cost-benefit analysis would waste time and money.

"This is just another time-wasting proposal by the opposition that are desperate to stop the rollout," he said.

Senator Conroy said cost-benefit analyses had been carried out into broadband networks all round the world and all had been overwhelmingly positive.

He said the government wasn't just relying on overseas studies and NBN's own internal business case.

The $25 million McKinsey report showed the financial case was viable and it would provide a return to taxpayers and affordable prices.

Access Economics and IBM commissioned a report into the productivity case for a fibre-to-the-node network, less ambitious than what the government proposed, and found the case overwhelmingly positive.
Senator Conroy said the NBN board had now concluded its business case and would put that to the government, providing significant information on costs, pricing and rates of return.


http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/nbn-costbenefit-just-wastes-time-c...

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