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Reply #105 - Oct 8^th, 2010 at 10:55am

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 7^th, 2010 at 4:45pm:

... No one is contending that fibre isnt superior to copper.

When did they stop? For a while there, every opposition politician & their lapdogs were pretending that developments just around the corner would see copper and wireless outperforming fibre. Has the derisive laughter finally silenced them?
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 7^th, 2010 at 4:45pm:

... the argument isnt about the technical superiority of the NBN. it is on something few laborites understand or accept - it is called a cost-benefit analysis.

Reports by McKinsey, KPMG and Access Economics comprehensively establish the business case. If you've conveniently forgotten, there's quite a lot at: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1284784620.

That's more than enough. Demanding more is seeking waste. It's much like the troll tactic of demanding proof rather than doing their own research. Satisfying the demand leads only to more demands. At least the troll only wastes their opponent's time. The opposition wants to waste taxpayers' money.

Come to think of it, that's a good term for the opposition's demands for cost-benefit analysis when the business case is firmly established:

Political Trolling

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longweekend58 wrote on Oct 7^th, 2010 at 4:45pm:

Just because something is better doesnt mean you should necessarily have it - particularly when the cost is enormous.

We define "enormous" differently. For the benefit, I can live with 70 cents per day. Or less.

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Reply #106 - Oct 8^th, 2010 at 4:00pm

I was going to post ages ago, but i couldnt.

You see I am on wireless and its is after school time so all the kids are on facebook and youtube, which takes me down to snails pace. I made a cup of coffee, did four loads of washing and my reply screen was finally up.

Wireless is great. At midnight. If you have phone service. And noone else is using it. Ever.
And I live on the Gold Coast. Good Luck in the bush.

Who needs internet anyways. I will chuck in for everyone and get you all two tins and a piece of string.

We can all learn morse code again.

That will be cheap. Dont worry if it works.

Turnbull, I used to like you, but please stop trying to pretend you agree with Abbott on anything. You are losing all credibility.

Just because it isnt youre idea, doesnt mean its not a good one libs.
Maybe you can kick in the 11billion you hid towards the NBN?

But then what would Abbott and his goons have to do?
Actually come up with alternative policies to benefit the Australian people? Dear me!

I could do their job!!!
Not our idea=bad.
Our ideas are safe from scrutiny cause we dont have any.

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Do you understand the concept of a "critical analysis"?

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Reply #107 - Oct 8^th, 2010 at 4:06pm

Tara wrote on Oct 8^th, 2010 at 4:00pm:

I was going to post ages ago, but i couldnt.

You see I am on wireless and its is after school time so all the kids are on facebook and youtube, which takes me down to snails pace. I made a cup of coffee, did four loads of washing and my reply screen was finally up.

Wireless is great. At midnight. If you have phone service. And noone else is using it. Ever.
And I live on the Gold Coast. Good Luck in the bush.

I'm on SATELLITE, in 'the bush' !

We're

SOULMATES !

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Reply #108 - Oct 9^th, 2010 at 5:34pm

http://www.buddeblog.com.au/frompaulsdesk/tassies-opt-out-nbn-connection/

Broadband will become a utility and, like being connected to roads, electricity and water, and now people will also have the right to be connected to broadband (Finland has passed laws that makes access to the Internet a human right).

Another key consideration is that an NBN connection adds value to the home property – people tend to be less interested in buying properties that don’t have a first-class broadband connection

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Reply #109 - Oct 9^th, 2010 at 5:48pm

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http://www.buddeblog.com.au/frompaulsdesk/tassies-opt-out-nbn-connection/

Broadband will become a utility and, like being connected to roads, electricity and water, and now people will also have the right to be connected to broadband (Finland has passed laws that makes access to the Internet a human right).

Another key consideration is that an NBN connection adds value to the home property – people tend to be less interested in buying properties that don’t have a first-class broadband connection

i bet you cant find a SINGLE reference to a home sale that either failed or was questioned about a broadband conncetion. that is pure rubbish.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #110 - Oct 9^th, 2010 at 6:26pm

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http://www.buddeblog.com.au/frompaulsdesk/tassies-opt-out-nbn-connection/

Broadband will become a utility and, like being connected to roads, electricity and water, and now people will also have the right to be connected to broadband (Finland has passed laws that makes access to the Internet a human right).

Another key consideration is that an NBN connection adds value to the home property – people tend to be less interested in buying properties that don’t have a first-class broadband connection

what a ridiculous article! it makes the same ridiculous and unsupported arguments thta so many laborites do. claims that the current adsl cannot do all the 'new applications' despite being unable to articulate a singe one. and unlike this idiot, I actually know that 'smart grids' are a low bandwidth application.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #112 - Oct 9^th, 2010 at 9:19pm

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http://www.buddeblog.com.au/frompaulsdesk/tassies-opt-out-nbn-connection/

Broadband will become a utility and, like being connected to roads, electricity and water, and now people will also have the right to be connected to broadband (Finland has passed laws that makes access to the Internet a human right).

Another key consideration is that an NBN connection adds value to the home property – people tend to be less interested in buying properties that don’t have a first-class broadband connection

What a load of bollocks!

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Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

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Reply #113 - Oct 9^th, 2010 at 9:21pm

adelcrow wrote on Oct 5^th, 2010 at 6:00pm:

Being that the rusted on Liberal voter

s are saying that the Labor Party and Greens are a coalition then you also have to except the huge combined vote both parties achieved. Labor flogged the Libs and the Greens gave the Nats a huge belting. As for the Queensland LNP we all know Queenslanders are a little backward and their views should be taken with a grain of salt.
In my book that means Aussies want a national rollout of optic fibre, hey I will compromise..if the Queenslanders dont want it we can stop the rollout at the border and they can use dialup Tongue

ps...my comments about Queenslanders are tongue in cheek Roll Eyes

That's be dyed in the wool!

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Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

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Reply #114 - Oct 9^th, 2010 at 10:32pm

qikvtec wrote on Oct 9^th, 2010 at 9:19pm:

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http://www.buddeblog.com.au/frompaulsdesk/tassies-opt-out-nbn-connection/

Broadband will become a utility and, like being connected to roads, electricity and water, and now people will also have the right to be connected to broadband (Finland has passed laws that makes access to the Internet a human right).

Another key consideration is that an NBN connection adds value to the home property – people tend to be less interested in buying properties that don’t have a first-class broadband connection

What a load of bollocks!

s a truly ABSURD post - even for an idiot like vegy!

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #115 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 9:45am

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 6^th, 2010 at 7:19pm:

# wrote on Oct 6^th, 2010 at 9:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 5:31pm:

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you seem to think fibre is the ULTIMATE technology. have you heard nothing of information packets carried by sub-atomic particles/waves or quantum behaviour that might even lead to literally instantaneous data transfer? you might even wonder about transmission FASTER than light but you wil lprobably not be able to google much on it and understand even less.

Presumably you're referring to quantum entanglement? Very theoretical and unlikely to see practical application within the lifetime of anyone in this forum. Fibre is here, now, and the best available.

just like quantum computers, i dont expect qantum entanglement-based technology any time soon. the point is that people who think fibre is the ultimate never-to-be-improved technology are naive.

LMAO, that is one of the silliest points I have ever heard on this whole broadband issue, and there have been some amazingly ridiculous claims made.
Your theorising over faster than light technology as a possible negative argument to be held against fibre, would be akin to a man in the 1950's deciding never to use a car, because he just knows that sooner or later we will all have individual rocket packs to get us around, as many folk in the 1950's expected we would have had, before the turn of the century.

I suppose we can add this to the arguments that seek to provide an option apart from the bleeding obvious, which is to use the current best technology, that provides immediate benefit, and long term up-scalability potential, which is what Labor are doing with the NBN.
Thank goodness Abbott the negative man, the promiser of destruction, was too short sighted, and too ignorant, to educate himself about what the NBN actually was, before the election, because if he had supported the NBN, he would be PM now.

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Reply #116 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 10:54am

Tara wrote on Oct 8^th, 2010 at 4:00pm:

I was going to post ages ago, but i couldnt.

You see I am on wireless and its is after school time so all the kids are on facebook and youtube, which takes me down to snails pace. I made a cup of coffee, did four loads of washing and my reply screen was finally up.

Wireless is great. At midnight. If you have phone service. And noone else is using it. Ever.
And I live on the Gold Coast. Good Luck in the bush.

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It would actually work better in the bush - wireless would be absolutely hopeless in the cities for the reasons you give.

At best in arguing for wireless a hybrid system where the best option for the particular area is independently chosen would be the only way to make this choice and at present it would typically mean a lower standard of service in regional and country areas.

Universal wireless system in the Major cities simply would not work with our current radio spectrum allocations and limitations – there is no hope of allocating sufficient channels of sufficient b/w in a current ether transmission format.

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Reply #117 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 11:09am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 10:54am:

Tara wrote on Oct 8^th, 2010 at 4:00pm:

I was going to post ages ago, but i couldnt.

You see I am on wireless and its is after school time so all the kids are on facebook and youtube, which takes me down to snails pace. I made a cup of coffee, did four loads of washing and my reply screen was finally up.

Wireless is great. At midnight. If you have phone service. And noone else is using it. Ever.
And I live on the Gold Coast. Good Luck in the bush.

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It would actually work better in the bush - wireless would be absolutely hopeless in the cities for the reasons you give.

At best in arguing for wireless a hybrid system where the best option for the particular area is independently chosen would be the only way to make this choice and at present it would typically mean a lower standard of service in regional and country areas.

Universal wireless system in the Major cities simply would not work with our current radio spectrum allocations and limitations – there is no hope of allocating sufficient channels of sufficient b/w in a current ether transmission format.

We use wireless in sth nsw and nthest vic We get 4mg averagre up to 8mg quite adequate for our use

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Reply #119 - Oct 12^th, 2010 at 8:56am

bwood1946 wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 11:09am:

We use wireless in sth nsw and nthest vic We get 4mg averagre up to 8mg quite adequate for our use

4 to 8 is probably adequate today but when compared with the 100Meg on offer it is not in the ball park in terms of future requirements. This speed ok today for general home use is not capable of supporting the services which will and are becoming available.

Got another one! (another smiley bites the dust)

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